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This is horrible. Thirty thousand dead so far... It's good that there's been such a strong international response so soon, especially with India and Pakistan putting aside their differences to co-operate.
Wasnt there just a huge India Earthquake about a year ago?
Well, its nice to see things get shaken up a bit there. Pun slightly intended, as the deaths are nothing to laugh at, the peaceful cooperations are definatley a promising gesture. Not just between rival countries, but between several other countries whom lend aide despite thier minor differences, and thier own uncomfortable positions. (Affghanistan)
I am quite impressed with the reaction over all. Quicker than Katrina, and this is an international effort. hmm.
edit: India is located where to plates are converging, forming the Himilah(horribly butchered and mispelled I am sure of it) mountains. Its no accident.
Bipper
This is really sad. On the other hand, maybe some random caves in Afghanistan collapsed in on themselves.
Yeah, the entire Indian subcontinent is bordered by geological faults. The Himalayas are testament to the size and power of the forces involved, having been forced up as a result of constant geological processes. Earthquakes are ridiculously powerful phenomena, and are neither seasonal nor even reliably predictable... scary stuff. My entire country *is* just the eruption of land where two plates are colliding, so it's a particular worry here. The entire nation could easily be affected by a sufficiently large quake...[q=Hawkeye]Wasnt there just a huge India Earthquake about a year ago?[/q]The Iranian city of Bam was levelled by a quake in late 2003, killing over forty thousand people... and the Boxing Day tsunami was triggered by an undersea earthquake.Quote:
Originally Posted by bipper
So Afghans dying is good but Indians dying isn't? I'm confused.Quote:
Originally Posted by eestlinc
I think eest is talking about Osama Bin Laden.Quote:
Originally Posted by DMKA
yes, I'm glad someone was able to pick up on my meaning.
Yeah, I got that too :) What I don't get, is all this happens, and the US quickly sends off a small force of hellicopters to find a potentially dead Osama!? Lame. If the dude is dead, he aint moving.
Also, to my understanding, we are reacting slow as ever to this disaster.
On a side note, I can't wait to see some conspiracy theorist start touting and say that Bush/Blair made an earth shaking machine. (as they would prolly call it) :greenie:
Bipper
god this is poor. tens of thousand of people die. and it gets 9 replies (including this one). that is pretty damn shocking. it wasn't the same with katrine now was it.
this thread has amounted to big d acrually being concerned. hawkeye asking if this happened a few years ago like it's becoming tiresome. bipper making a joke. but did point out the politics of it. a nice little georgraphy lesson. eestlinc seems to think that osama bin laden is more important than tens of thousand dead people. big d gives us more of a history and geography lesson. dmka gets confused. rusty clears it up. eestlinc congratulates him. and bipper talks about the aid effort.
what do i see in this? big d is the only person to actually grasp and care. the rest of you seem to act like this isn't a big deal. it's just a bunch of towel heads who don't look or sound like you. frankly it's disgusting.
this is a huge disaster and in this thread there was been one description of it being bad. sorry two. eestlinc describes it as sad. then thinks bin laden is more important.
it is proof of our society that we shrug of this truly awful disaster and tragedy while went on for weeks about katrina.
Cloud no. 9, take a chill pill and it aint smart to do that.
a 7.6 on the richter! bloody hell thats massive, 30k+ dead! yeah the lack of aid is crap but it's a matter of race not life or death so politics come into the subject.
Boy, you just can please anybody these days can you? Every goddamn thing you say is viewed negativly, because of your perception on the whole idea.
But yeah, blame us for having Katrina being a much more important topic in out society than something that has the concerns of half way across the world. Great.
some aid is better than none and it will grow, you can't have every major country helping out 2 seconds after the disaster can you?
7.6 is fairly big, but nothing compared to the most powerful quakes... I guess it must've been centered close to the surface to cause such horrific destruction.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shoden
I actually think the response has been quite impressive. Resources from around the world were on their way to the area within a day, so hopefully aid will get to those who need it, quickly.
However, it's gonna take a lot of time and effort to even begin sorting out this mess... After the Bam earthquake, about a billion dollars in aid was promised; after an entire year, only about $20 million of that had been delivered. A short-term rescue and evac effort is essential, and it's good that it's being delivered; but the long-term promises are just as vital. Here's hoping...
Incidentally, a prominent US televangelist, whose name I forget, is claiming that the recent spate of natural disasters are further proof that the end of days is coming.
Do you honestly buy that though?
Yeah, and we can blame this on the gays too. :rolleyes2Quote:
Incidentally, a prominent US televangelist, whose name I forget, is claiming that the recent spate of natural disasters are further proof that the end of days is coming.
Cloud, I care a whole lot, but what is there to say? There's not much I can do about it except try to lighten the mood, try and find a silver lining.
I believe the quake occured about six miles beneath the surface of the ground, so it wasn't too horribly deep. Definitely an unexpected and tragic occurence, but that's the way natural disasters go.
This thread isn't about Hurricane Katrina, or established national bias, or anything of that nature. This is about the Pakistani/Kashmiri/Indian earthquake, and that's what will be discussed in this thread.
Personally, I'm curious as to whether this is something of a geological trend for that area of the world at this time. Well, first and foremost I'm curious to know whether there are pattens in tectonic movement and if there are, what these patterns are caused by.
Also, I would like to point out that the international community has reacted swiftly to this disaster. Though it takes a tragedy to make it happen, it is good to see that we can all tolerate each other at least some of the time.
I've heard a few blame the hurricanes on global warming, and the earthquakes just on tectonic movement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big D
On topic, I think it's very sad, and I think people should help them. I mean, remember how much we gave to the tsunami survivors?
lol cloud
Bhuj and Amdavad, Gujarat state, February 2001. 13000 dead.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hawkeye
there was a 5.5 in roughly the same area last year, but it was a lot less devastating.
One of my best friends is Pakistani and he has extensive family in Lahore, and the minute I heard about the quake I called him to see if he knew anything, and if his family was ok.
earthquakes in fact do follow a pattern of sorts. the friction between the plates moves around the plates. the tsunami in fact has put greater pressure on both the san andreas fault line and the area under yellowstone. general creaking to the plates (earthquakes) shifts pressure and tension around. sometimes it shifts to other plates or sometimes it just moves down ths same one.
the indian plate is jst going through a lot of shifting right now.
I do find it of interest that no one ever bothers to help the USA when anything horrific happens here. Thus far, the only nation in the last hundred years or so to EVER offer aid to America on her homeland is Canada.
But, anyways, it wasn't all that impressive an earthquake. When you start thinking about what it COULD have done. The buildings there, for good or ill, weren't exactly pillars of concrete and steel. Plus it was a shallow earthquake: the radius of destruction was lower. A deeper quake would distribute it's force further- less damage to that which was hit, but far more hit- and those structures would have dropped in a 5. Cold comfort for those who suffer, but it could have been FAR worse.
I don't care how impressive the quake was really. I do care for the parents whom lost over 350 children in one school. They have to dig and pray to hope they find thier child, as whipers of dying children flutter out from rubble. Every second brings them closer to thier untimley death. Frantically, parents and caring members dig as fast as they can, while being steady and carful not to cause more collapse. I cannot imagine being in such a situation, my thoughts and prayers go out to all.
I care for the serperated families, whom are left stranded in these regions as the roads are annihalated. I care for those whom survived, to die a slow painful death because there is not enough aid. I thank the efforts put forth by the medical staffs, the rescue workers, the volenteers, and everyone else trying to ease the pain.
Mothers, Daugters, Fathers, Sons, Babies, were all seperated and killed. This tragedy has killed a peice of everyone involved.
With all this afoot, where is America? The supposed land of the free? Chained and anchored by our own republic representation. They say we are widespread an low on resources, and yet there are people digging kids our of crumbles schools with sticks and primative equipment. Truley Pathetic.
No matter what you say Cloud, I do care. The more I see, the more I care.
Bipper
"I do find it of interest that no one ever bothers to help the USA when anything horrific happens here. Thus far, the only nation in the last hundred years or so to EVER offer aid to America on her homeland is Canada."
except of course for the eu, un and nato..............
Wrong, wrong and WRONG. They've offered advice (aka, tried to tell us what to do)- but they've never sent a man or machine over to us without us footing the bill for it. They'll lease us materials, they'll even lend us materials, but they've never freely given us ANYTHING. You might be able to make a weak argument when it comes to the UK giving us radar technology back when they developed it- but that's hardly recent, and it wasn't "free"- it was wartime resources that they expected us to use in destroying our mutual enemies. Helpful, but by no means an act of generosity for it's own sake.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cloud No.9
My wife and I recently saw an IMAX movie on natural disasters and they were talking about earthquakes and why they are so much more devistating in southcentral Asia than in other parts of the world. Most of these parts, like India and Pakistan, do not have well built buildings or have not been retrofitted for earthquakes as they do not have the money for it. That's why earthquakes in other parts of the world, such as Japan, do not have a casualty count as high per capita. When you have a dense population living in buildings that are not well constructed, nothing less than the worst can happen from an eartquake. Just imagine an earthquake hitting the center of any major city when all of the buildings are made out of sub-standard materials. There's no way they could withstand that kind of force.
Also, the movie talked about a fault that runs under Turkey and has been having earthquakes successively closer to Istanbul along the fault (in the way that Cloud no. 9 was talking about the pressure moving along a fault earlier) and they say it's only a matter of time before a major earthquake hits Istanbul. They predict it to be a major catastrophe for the area as it's densely populated and many of the buildings in the area aren't well built, similar to the areas effected by this earthquake.
But this response is better than no response.
Geographical disasters like this interest me.
7.6 may not be humongous but it still is massive considering how shallow the quake was.
The problem with earthquakes is they cannot be predicted precisely and as we know they can cause a hell load if damage.
It's in that area and san andreas area that are hit by the most powerful of quakes.
It wont be long till a quake so strong will occur that the faults will be no more and the plates split but thats just an amateur opinion from me.
what's of bigger concern is not the pressure moving towards san fransisco or istanbul but pressure building in the yellowstone area.
the plates won't split. they are a vital part to the earth's eco system and why we have live on this planet. if they were to split or fuse then everything would fall apart.
areas like bradford in britian and areas with a high percentage of asian people have lost many relatives. i think the death toll will be set to rise even further than it is right now as well.
and udsuna just for you and it's off topic but:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2...-katrina_x.htm
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/n...id-glance.html
about 70 countries gave aid
it's about fault lines and stuff, massive earthquakes would cause a movement of some places.
India was once an island but a mass seismic activity as geologists say caused it to collide into Asia.
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It could happen to the san andreas area, somewhere will float off like Calafornia.
This Earthquake is terrible and aftershocks could cause more chaos, more and more countires are giving aid tille evntually it's sorted.
Why weren't they this fast for Katrina? is it because 3/4 of the US army and British army are close by?
You're not referrring to that made for tv movie where Yellowstone erupts, are you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cloud No.9
i was refering to a toba like eruption. yellowstone is theortically next to go. if you take the various patterns of stuff into account.
my registration teach went on about it for ages (he was a geography teacher)
I've heard the theories on a Yellowstone eruption, but I think they are as likely as us getting into another ice age, ala The Day After Tomorrow.
They found the body of my sister's classmate yesterday. He was in that apartment building that collapsed in islamabd.
They were slight tremors coming from the coastline here (karachi) last night. But fortunately nothing devastating.
Every uni and college over here are sending teams to dig and help, especially the med students. It's so awful to think that so many people need help and there are people who want to help but roads are blocked coz of the mudslides. Places like Manshera can be only be reached by helicopters.
2 natural disasters in a 2 week(?) span. We've got our own problemsQuote:
Originally Posted by bipper
Very sorry about the death of your sister's friend.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silmaril
Hopefully aftershocks will start to diminish... there was a significant one in Pakistan just today. The last thing the area needs is more destruction... though one advantage of delivering aid by air is the ability to overcome impassable or flooded terrain.
Oh really? I was pretty sure that's what he meant, but I was just giving him the benifit of the doubt since...well...I won't say. That's still wishing death upon people. Last time I checked someone banned someone from this forum for doing such.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rusty
The earthquake is terrible as are all big disasters of this sort, but it's something I'm not trying to think about too much because the double standards and hypocrasies of people are depressing enough for me.