ok teenage rape is happening more often now, now police are raping teens
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ok teenage rape is happening more often now, now police are raping teens
What? It's always happened. Rape is the least reported crime there is. I'm pretty certain that somewhere, at some time, police have raped teens before.
This is why I'm pro-gun.
this is jus sick and wrong
You are truly astute.
I think Society is on a long spiral downwards.....
hell
There are a lot of factors that could influence this "statistic". How long a span of time are we looking at? Are we talking teenage rape in general, or reported rapes versus estimated unreported rapes, or just cop/teen rapes? Are we basing this on the standards of society currently in the U.S. or are we taking other societies, past and present into account?
That last question was more directed at Dreddz.
But, uhm, rape is bad, mm'kay?
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Originally Posted by ShlupQuack
Times degrading values? No, the illusions of the past's beauty is getting stronger. There's nothing surprising that we'd learn this, but until I see the context of this study, I'll not take any definate opinion.
I always knew rape was wrong. But Police raping teens?? That's hazardress. That's not right at all. You know how violated those teens must feel RIGHT now?? If I were in that situation as a female and all I know I would feel this way. That is just plane, pure, clear wrong...
Uh, yeah...rape is bad. I think we can all agree on that.
Care to cite some links supporting this?
For certain it is wrong and for certain it happens too much. But to say you want to carry a handgun or any gun for that matter is wrong. If you truly wish to learn how to go about this then you must understand how to defend yourself...Quote:
Originally Posted by I'm my own MILF
If you truly wish to not be caught in this type of a situation then you must learn how to go about it. First I would decide on taking a martial arts, not to boast about but to say that you understand how to protect yourself, and not in ignorance...
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Originally Posted by Behold the Void
Probably should have been a wee bit more specific.
Any proof that it really is on the rise?
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Originally Posted by Tifa's Real Lover(really
Kay, I'm going to have to ask that this be about a particular local, national or international event. Nothing is making much sense in here now.
And police officers are the first and foremost people in the world who can (and do) abuse their authority, and get away with it.
Not a gun thread but; How is a young girl going to protect herself against armed gang members or indeed police officers? I don't need a gun, I'm big and tough. I'm knife proof, too. Well, ok, I wouldn't mind a gun though I'm rather less at-risk than a lot of others. I don't want gun for me, I want one for my girlfriend. I'm sure her learning a martial art would help her be safer; I'd rather know she actually has a fighting chance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vaprice
I'm glad we can all agree that rape is bad.
As far as I can tell, knowledge of martial arts would be far more helpful in a situation like this than a gun would. Hell, a knife would probably be more effective than a gun.
Depends on how they approach. If it's a bunch of clowns making it obvious they're about to try something? Gun. If it's a lone maniac who grabs you from behind? Martial arts or melee weapon. But one does not preclude the other.Quote:
Originally Posted by nik0tine
here is a little off topic, but not so much question.
How do you guys feel about statatiory rape?
I dunno how much help martial arts would be in that situation. yes they would help.. but I would definately want a gun for back up. Plan is, use MA to knock them back then draw the gun.
In very close quarter combat(such as would likely be in a rape case where a gun wouldn't help) you are basically wrestling. Now in wrestling every lb matters. And who is heavier? The guy has a huge advantage there alone. I have seen skilled wrestlers fall to guys that are 40 or so lbs heavier then them that had little skill. And that 40lbs just happens to be near the average wieght diffrence between male and female in my area. So therefore martial arts likely wouldn't ensnare a victory by itself except in certian situations. A gun and melee weapon are good back ups.
Now if the female had some distance(used a wrestling/MA breakaway move and succede) then MA will come in handy. I say this because on average(in this area of course) women are quicker on their feet and more agile then men. And I have fought in those situations and brute force + weight doesn't help nearly as much as it does in very close quarters(wrestling type environ). However, if you got some distance a gun could quite possibly be better if you know how to use it. Not to mention it saves you from the iffy. That range is close enough that missing would be tough, and a gun wound will at least slow/weaken someone a bit. Thus giving you the advantage(hopefully).
Anyways these are just how I have seen it. The situation of a women with rape seems like a wrestling situation to me(and yes for those unaware wrestling is classed as a form of martial arts) and in wrestling wieght and raw muscle plays a big part(bigger the smaller you are... less as you get higher up). And the 40lb difference as well as the muscle power advantage between man and woman that I see here can easily devastate even someone with more experience. Thus, I see the breakaway and draw gun as a gals best chance. Best not to risk it. The more wieght added on the more likely it is to go in the guys favor, unless you break away.
As a last note I am assuming the assultant knows a bit about some fighting art. Reason being just about every guy in my area knows something about fighting.
Edit- IBCrayZ here is a link to a topic a couple months old on it. if you want to look through it that is. I know my stance hasn't really changed much(perhaps some specifics but not the overall thinking).
http://forums.eyesonff.com/showthread.php?t=65456
People raped people far more in the Biblical days and the days before societies were developed than they ever have in our lifetimes. I mean, atleast its considered something bad and punishable rather than something just in a man's nature, or the fault of the woman for being involintarily seductive.
I heard back in the days of slavery that slave masters would rape the black women and if their husbands walked in on accident then they would get beaten...
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Originally Posted by nik0tine
To all gun-maniacs: So... let's say that you've got a gun. Yeah, right. What now? Are you actually going to fire? For any SANE person, it's hard to pull the trigger (mentaly, not pshycicaly) even if it's against a rapist. You should know that there will be consequences.
Are just going to aim it at him/them? What if you fire by misstake? What if they are stupid enough to keep walking closer to you? And even more important... what if you're not fast enough?
Guns in general are not very reliable weapons and they can easily change owner in chaotic situations. Rapists are sick people. A gun in the hands of a sick person is a bad idea. Actually... a gun in the hands of ANY person is a bad idea. Guns sucks.
As for rape itself, I think it's just as bad as murder.
As for self defense weapons, I think common sence is the best defence you have. I think a blow horn would be better as if it does change hands in the middle of a struggle, what would the rapeist do? Not honk it?
I am not for guns in such casual situations. I am sure the psyco people whom one needs to protect themselves from are not as scared of the gun or knife as one might think.
Bipper
Actually, everyone's afraid of guns. You'll stop most criminals just by showing that you have one. Don't even have to draw it.
Look at the states in the US where right-to-carry laws hold. Violent crimes are cut by half in those states, in comparison to population.... the criminals are too scared to act. Of course, it doesn't have much effect in stopping the most common violent crime- which is from people you know personally.
Training to use the weapon, however, is the thing no one ever appreciates. A knife or gun in an untrained, frightened, person's hand.... might as well not even have a weapon, it's safer just to let the attacker have what they want and leave. Most rapists are criminals of opportunity, and very few of them will hurt the victem any more than what is necessary for their goals.
However, a gun being held by someone who knows they can hit a target.... you'll never need to fire a shot. True, if you're up against a gang of people, you can't shoot them all. But there aren't many who are eager to be amongst the ones you DO hit.
Thank you udsuna.
The gun for me is indeed more of a psychological tool then an actual weapon. Guns introduce an unrealable variable in such situations. I wrestle I know that the guy gots a big advantage that close up just from size alone. However, the break away I know can be done on people far bigger. Break away and draw gun(this would likely take sometraining). Normally by anyone with some knowledge you would be hit very soon after you broke out. However, if you draw the moment you get the chance(likely in the middle of your break away) then you can have the gun trained on them before the begin the hit on you. And for many the gun would at least induce a second hesitation(allowing you to back further up and further secure your safety). And if you keep backing up they may actually just decide to let you go(afterall you aren't telling them to stay still til the police come, you just want to leave). Course they may not want you to leave due to the fact that you could identify them. But some may rather risk that then death.
And yes guns can change hands. Which is why you have to be ready to expect such manuveurs(thought that still may not help).
As with anything you do need training with it. What I am trying to get accross is that MA alone won't protect you, a knife alone won't protect you, a gun alone wouldn't protect you, etc. But a mix of some of them and you increase your protection net.
Oh, anti-gun people again, eh?
Kleck study.
Finito.
Sorry, I would not say I am anti gun by any means. As ShunNakamura had pointed out, it takes a bit of training, and an unconfident person in such a fray may end up losing control. Therefore, I think the more audible apporach (personal sound alarms, air horns, etc) are a great alternative. Nothing wrong with a little nickle plated supprise though. Just go for the kneecaps is all I ask :D
Bipper
About time some one notices...well said.. I really wish they crack down on this problem and take a stand.. I haven't been raped before but some of my good friends have and it piss's me off :mad2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tifa's Real Lover(really
Guns...to defend yourself? Lawl.
I support gun ownership with an iron fist...but...oh screw it, I'm not even going to bother with that one. It's almost as bad as the abortion debate, but with more ignorance.
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Originally Posted by I'm my own MILF
So get training. It's not hard. I like guns, I know how to use guns, and I was raised with guns as a part of my environment. For me it wasn't some "forbidden fruit" or some "evil and dangerous thing." There were guns in the house, and there were very strict rules regarding them, which I followed. I wish more people were raised in that way, rather than either believing guns are the roots of all violence and evil and/or carrying a gun will make you a man.Quote:
Originally Posted by bipper
I wouldn't mind carrying a gun for protection. Have to get licensed though.
It's quite unfortunate.
Ladies have been lead to a false sense of security with TV and News claims and propaghanda telling us about changed times where someone actually believes what we say and that punishment will be delivered to those who have defiled.
I saw a disgusting special where a man attempted to kidnap 3 girls was put in jail, released, raped 3 girls then raped an killed another... put in jail... released... then raped his own relative after beating her to the point that he thought she was DEAD... DEAD? WTF? .... and now he's just been released again. All were around the age of 14.(aside from the relative..the cousin of his fiance)
YES! JUSTICE IS SERVED!
The American System will allow a sexual predator several opportunities to molest children aged 14... but will put a man trafficing marijauna in jail for life, with chances of early release after 20 years for good beahviour.
And it wasn't like these cases were all over the country so ties couldn't be made... no. All of these issues occured within 1 mile of eachother.... WTF?
And all the rape victims had this man's DNA on them... most of these terrible tragedies could have been avoided at the first victim since at that time the sexual deviant was already on file and his DNA was already in the system....
so why? why didn't the police beleive the young women who were victims? why did they acuse them of lieing or protecting people close to them? why did they only give them "rape kits" (as if that will give a peace of mind) and send them on their way like attention seekers rather than adressing the issue seriously, ESPECIALLY WITH THE DNA.
But the world is unfair... and ugly...and cruel and corrupt...
In a world where you can fly to a third world country and solicit a 7 year old girl from her father for sexual pleasure... nothing can be fair.
There is truth in this statement. I believe everyone knows the world is not what it seems. But our emotions sometimes blind us. Young woman who are confused about certain issuses are easy targets for perverts...so I say...LEARN NINJITSU!!! :D Kick some ass...and then some.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chemical
I have an alternative solution that doesn't demand the necessity of being a black belt.
I saw disarm sexual predators of their weapon!
Lobb off the cobb!
Lobb off the cobb!
You know.... every so often, I bring up the fact that sex offenders would be excellent guinea pigs for medical experimentation. Better the perverts suffer than the victims, I say.
So... what is the point of this thread? There's about as much debate in here as a thread about whether or not the sky is blue. I seriously doubt someone is going to come along and state that rape is a good thing.
To some extent, pedophiles are victims of circumstance. They're forced either into celibacy or despicable crime because of their nnatural predelictions. Rehabilitation is no more appropraite than it is with homosexuals. i consider them tremendously unfortunate, and therefore perhaps the best solution would be a quick and painless death. It is unnecessary that they should suffer, but steps should be taken. Perhaps a secure environment, where they can be productive members of society without threat.
Or castration? Medical surgical elimination of their sex drives. It's relatively simple procedure, we do it to almost every species we keep as pets.
Of course, that treatment should be reserved for those who haven't raped anyone yet. A desire, however warped, is never irresistable.
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Originally Posted by Zell>Everything
All pedophiles should be locked in an old folks home.
PS> Zell>Everything
Debate isn't always necessary in discussion.... unless your a debate monger.
MONGER! Go eat some cheese.
I'll do whatever I have to to stop an attacker, Bipper. If shooting out his kneecaps is enough, I'll do that, but I won't hesitate to put a bullet in his head if I have to. If an attacker is close in, you rarely have the luxury of picking targets. Sure, I'll give him a chance if I can, but I won't endanger myself to make sure the guy survives. End it, and end it quickly. If he dies, tough $#!+, I guess he shouldn't have attacked me.Quote:
Originally Posted by bipper
Who said I have to fly to do that lol I can do a 12 hour drive down to mexico XD lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chemical
Seriously though. You bring up a good point man. People period have been brought into a sense of falsehood. Especially middle class families.
In the end its comes to good ol fashion of teaching there kids from toddler's age to not trust strangers man.
i hate it wen ppl lose control of their "sex emotion" then they go crazy abou sex
Here Here! This thread had little point to begin with (yes I think we can agree rape is bad) and has mutated into a battle over gun laws and cruel and unusual punishments. Anyhow rape is reported far more often today then yesteryear, so instances were by no means lower then, they did not come to light.Quote:
Originally Posted by DocFrance