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K, in the game, everyone who was injected with jenova cells had a number tattooed into there arms to tell which number experiment they were. Nanaki(Red XIII) also has the number carved into his arm. Was he injected with jenova cells as well? If so, y didn’t he go insain?
Everyone who has been experimented on by Hojo has a number, not just JENOVA cell injectees. We dont know what Hojo did to him, but given that we Nanaki exhibits no need for Reunion or any of the other strange behaviors associated with JENOVA cell therapy, we can conclude that it wasnt done to him.
or at least not yet
Not ever. Aside from the beginning of the game, there is no opportunity for Hojo to do so.
Another piece of evidence that he wasnt injected with JENOVA is the fact that in Advent Children (SPOILER)he isnt infected with Geostigma
well how do we know that Hojo wasnt gonna inject him sooner or later?
i want to see Advent Children :(
Yea Nanaki was one of his experiments. Rememeber he was gonna get Red XIII and Aeris to, breed i think??? ......
I'm pretty sure he wasn't injected with jenova cells, he was just experimented for other things.
breed...
lol
what?? I can't remember what hojo wanted them two to do.
didnt he want to see what would happen if an ancient and this newly found species he discovered combined in their powrs?
i found this:
President Shinra: How long will the research take?
Hojo: Probably 120 years. It's probably impossible to finish in our life time.
Or in the lifetime of the specimen too, for that matter. That's why we're
thinking of breeding her. Then we could create one that could withstand our
research for a long time.
maby it was just a translation error
do u think nanaki wud realy go for it? or wud he just maul her cos he hates her (as i do. i wud love to hav seen nanaki eat aeris! :D)
omg
Nanaki porn
he would do her doggy style
woof WOOOOOF
that that would be cool if he mauled her. If he went for it.... freekyQuote:
Originally Posted by d£v!l'$ ph0£n!x
Does anyone no if he is in DC? I heard that all the characters but Nanaki have been confermed. has anyone heard otherwise? they beter not screw him out of this one like they prety much did in AC.
it would be kool to meet young kid nanaki
SE would make it look cool. but in real life(if it happened) you prob get some messed up combination. Like in south park the episode "vote or die" with the Peta group.Quote:
Originally Posted by GunbladeMaster
It doesnt matter if he was or wasnt. The issue is that he didnt.Quote:
Originally Posted by GunbladeMaster
lol hentaiQuote:
Originally Posted by Holy_Aeris
...you're not serious, are you? Because I completely missed that. Wow, Hojo is a sick f**k.
is he... is he realy.Quote:
Originally Posted by ?????
probably, or just insain
No, there was no error. Hojo really intended to breed them. He not only wanted a subject he could study, he also wanted to created a new species. You have to understand, Hojo was totally nuts. He experimented on his wife and son, as well as Vincent and all the people who were drawn to reunion, and killed Gast because he was listening to a 2000 year old alien, as well as for the advancement of science. He was crazy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dinnova
Like I've said, he is the only one not confirmed. Well, the only character that was originally playable, anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dinnova
thx for clearing that up.Quote:
Originally Posted by TurkSlayer
(SPOILER)Wait, does that mean all the children and Rufus were injected with JENOVA cells too? o_o;;; How did you find that out?Quote:
Originally Posted by TheAbominatrix
Hmmm i didn't expect my comment to turn into nanaki kil/porn
........
OMFGROFLMAOLOLPIESTDBBQHOBBITSEXPEEGEE!!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by GunbladeMaster
But seriously, I'm not a scientist (but I am good at science), and I know that a canine and a biped can't breed. Bestiality doesn't result in hybrids...
But, I'm only partially insane... I guess there's hope for me yet...
some times i question my own sanity. but i'm shure i'm allright. or at most partially
If your insain.. do u no your insain?
I knew I was having a nervous breakdown 6 years ago, and I've never felt sane since...
if my keep my retarded job for another year.. I will go insain.
It may not be possible, but it was certainly Hojo's intention.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ansem
They weren't. In AC, Advent Children -and- On the Way to a Smile Spoilersindividuals who came in contact with the Lifestream contracted Geostigma, as it had been "infected" when Sephiroth's body was blown apart. In Kazushige Nojima's novella On the Way to a Smile, which helps bridge FFVII and AC, Mrs. Levy (who had taken care of Denzel after his parents died when Shinra collapsed the plate) contracts Geostigma immediately upon coming into contact with the Lifestream, and dies soon thereafter. It seems to vary greatly, again as evidenced by On the Way to a Smile, as to how long it takes for Geostigma to actually manifest itself. In any case, the children and Rufus all presumably came into contact with the tainted Lifestream, and thus picked up Geostigma.Quote:
Originally Posted by zo-sama
As to the matter of Red XIII, it's impossible to know what, if anything, Hojo actually did to him. Even Red himself doesn't know what Hojo did to him.
However, seeing as Red exhibits none of the characteristics of one injected with JENOVA cells, and does not have "Mako eyes," it seems unlikely that Red was intended as a Sephiroth Clone (particularly since he isn't human, or even similar to a human), or even as a military project. It could be, also, that he didn't have time to do anything, although his insane attempt to breed Red and Aeris sort of suggests that Red was simply there to be used for whatever jumped into Hojo's mind.Quote:
Red XIII: Cloud... I'm number 13. Am I going to go mad too?
Tifa: I don't know what Hojo did to you, but you've been all right so far,
right?
Red XIII: But...
Tifa: Be strong.
Red XIII: But, I...
Tifa: Stop it, Red XIII! Be strong!
that kindof ruins the peacefullness of the lifestreamQuote:
Originally Posted by Masamune∙1600
Oh wow. o_o;; I haven't read that yet, no wonder. Thanks so much! ^^Quote:
Originally Posted by Masamune∙1600
You are right cuz the genes would not work. Our genetics would be so much different from his. The number of chromosomes in the cell have an important factor when creating hybrids, I am not too sure how but I remember something about it. If Nanaki had about the same number of chromosomes as humans, maybe it would be possible...It been two years since I took a bio class, so I forget a bit about the genetics part...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ansem
Nanaki is no normal canine though.
That why meantioned if he had the same number of chromosomes as us, cuz I know a dog (canines, same family) doesn't...or I am pretty sure they don't.
wut excatly defines how many cromosomes you have?
and sorry about the last post, obviously didnt understand u completely.
:Oo: soo tired
I think the DNA, humans have 46 which are set into 23 pairs.
you do know that you guys are talking about a fictional character...
but any two similar species can breed together AND PRODUCE A VIABLE OFFSPRING if the offspring has an even number of chromosomes. An organism with an odd number of chromosomes would not produce offspring but it can still exist (look at a mule - you know a cross with a horse and an ass...hah hah ass.. hah hah...nah just kidding) - this is called aneuploidy. but if the offspring was to breed with another of the same type (either impossible or not yet proven in animals) by a means other than sexual reproduction the odd number would be multiplied by 2 and therefore making the new organism even number of chromosomes hence it can produce viable offspring - this is called polyploidy and happens in plants (wheat, rice, barley, and grass types are all mostly polyploidy) - too much biology i know but oh well
If we really think about it, maybe Nanaki WAS injected but because of a different species he was not affected.
As for the AC comment if all characters that came in contact with Lifestream got Geostigma, how come Tifa, who was in the Lifestream with Cloud, didn't get Geostigma?
No, if we really think about it, there is no evidence whatsoever saying that Nanaki was injected with JENOVA cells. None. Speculating that it didnt effect him because of his species is just grasping at straws.
From Final Fantasy VII:
PRESIDENT SHINRA: "Hojo. How's the girl?"
HOJO: "As a specimen, she is inferior to her mother. I'm still in the process of comparing her to her mother, Ifalna, but for now the difference is 18%."
P. SHINRA: "How long will the research take?"
HOJO: "Probably 120 years. It's probably impossible to finish in our lifetime. Or in the lifetime of the specimen too, for that matter."
HOJO: "That's why we're thinking of breeding her. Then we could create one that would withstand our research for a long time."
P. SHINRA: "What about the Promised Land? Won't it hinder our plans?"
HOJO: "That's what I need to plan. The mother is strong... and yet has her weaknesses."
P. SHINRA: "That concludes our meeting."
Later in the game:
HOJO: "My precious specimen..." (Editor's note: Gollum, Gollum, Gollum... :p)
TIFA: "Precious specimen...? Is it going to be used for a biological experiment?"
Later:
HOJO: "That's right. I recommend you think things out logically before you make any rash moves. Now, bring in the Specimen!"
(Enter Aeris and Red XIII.)
AERIS: "Cloud, help!"
CLOUD: "What do you think you're doin'?"
HOJO: "Lending a helping hand to an endangered species... Both of them are on the brink of extinction... If I don't help, all these animals will disappear."
TIFA: "...animal? That's terrible! Aeris is a human being!"
I could have quite a perverted imagination, but I think Hojo just wanted to mate Aeris and Red XIII, just like how you can mate Chocoboes during Discs 2 and 3.
Like TheAbominatrix said Advent Children proves that Nanaki is not injected with Jenova cells.
NO!!! He was simply going to use Nanaki to keep Areis in place.It's OBVIOUS how the Breeding programe was gonna be done...Quote:
Originally Posted by Holy_Aeris
Stiltzkin was behind it all. Travelling round the world, even writing those fake letters! All an insidious plot to cover up the fact that he was blackmailing Hojo into such twisted things. Pity Hojo. He was at the mercy or a demented megalomaniacal moogle!
Kupo! ^_^
Hojo is sick.
If Hojo tattoed a number on all experiments, and not only those that were injected with Jenova cells, then why was Aeris not tatooed with a number if she was also a specimen. And what exactly is the proof from Advent Children that he was not injected?
I think Aeris wasnt tattoed because she wasnt realy experimented on, or they didnt have time 2 do that yet. And i belive the prof that Nanaki from AC was that he didnt have geostigmaQuote:
Originally Posted by Sephitachi7
but maybe he was not affected by Geostigma because he's not human.
Geostigma effects the cells, there's no reason why it wouldnt effect Red.
Grasping at straws by continually saying "Well, Red isnt human so it must have effected him differently" doesnt make sense. There's NO evidence that Red was injected with JENOVA cells.
(SPOILER)Geostigma is contracted from contact with the lifestream and jenova ceel mixture, remember when meteor, holy and lifestream collided? maybessome jenova cells were scattred into the lifestream residue
Think about how long he had Aeris in his custody. A few hours at best? I think he was a little more interested in finishing his experiment before any potential trouble arrived rather than spending time giving her a tatoo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephitachi7
Proof would be that because Nanaki didn't get Geostigma, he didn't have Jenova cells in him. The fact that nothing called him to the Reunion is FFVII is also proof.
You are implying that Hojo was expecting Aeris to be rescued and this is why he didn't label her with a tatoo, which is not the case. I believe that Hojo did not think that anyone could break into the Shin-ra building and was not expecting it. So I think he would have carried out the experiment on Aeris like a normal procedure, thus giving her a tatto to identify her. This was not the case meaning that the numbers were probably to identify Jenova Cell injected specimen.Quote:
Originally Posted by TurkSlayer
The Lifestream was only infected after Cloud killed Sephiroth at the end of FF VII. Tifa was in the stream before then, so she remained uninfected.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephitachi7
True, but he still had much more interest in studying than giving her a tatoo. Besides, Cloud was implanted with jenova cells, yet he never recieved a tatoo because no one ever got around to it. (No, it isn't because he was a failed experiment. Read the notes in the ShinRa Mansion library to find out that he was actually sucessful.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephitachi7
Hmm... true...Quote:
Originally Posted by TurkSlayer