I still don't get it, why did Ultimecia want to compress time?
and it was Ultimecia that passed her powers to Edea, how? Ultimecia is from the future!!
I just don't get it!! can someone explain it to me :)
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I still don't get it, why did Ultimecia want to compress time?
and it was Ultimecia that passed her powers to Edea, how? Ultimecia is from the future!!
I just don't get it!! can someone explain it to me :)
i dont know the answer to the 1st question but for the second one, dr odine developed a machine resembling ellones brain wave/patterns which was further devloped by the time of ultimicia. She probably used it to send back her wave patterns into the past into a potential target, therefore Edea, so that she could change the past resulting in Edea pasting her power onto Rinoa, hence forming this possible time loop, or continuum...Blah blah blah....
As to the first, we can really only speculate. She had her reasons, I'm sure. It's a subject for fanfiction more than hard theories.
For the second, it's simple--we can easily assume that the SeeDs weren't the only one who had the possibility to become lost in or travel through time. Ultimecia drifted through time, and found Edea--maybe she followed Squall, maybe it was destined, whatever, but she did the same thing the heroes did. Then, she passed on her powers.
In my opinion, that's the only reason she could use Junction Machine Ellone to pass herself to Edea and later Rinoa, actually, but that's another thread.
oh I forgot about it:eep:Quote:
dr odine developed a machine resembling ellones brain wave/patterns which was further devloped by the time of ultimicia.
thanks for the response guys :)
this is from Game Faqs:
: Why does Ultimecia want to compress time?
A: Goodness knows! Doc Odine mentions it when he talks about defeating her and
merely dismisses it!
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Odine: There is only one way to defeat Ultimecia. You must kill her in ze
future. There iz nothing we can do unless we go to ze future. There is no way
to jump to ze future under normal circumstances. But there iz still a way! It
iz because Sorceress Ultimecia plans to compress time. Compressing time with
magic... Vat good will it do for ze sorceress to compress time? There may be
many reasons, but it doesn't matter. Let's just figure out vat Ultimecia iz
up to. In order for Ultimecia to exist in this time, she must take over ze body
of a sorceress from ze present. But ze machine must have a limit. Ultimecia
probably needs to go back further in time to achieve time compression. Only
Ellone can take her back further into ze past. Zat iz why she iz desperately
seeking her.
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So it's the most important thing in the game (bar the love story) and that's
the only reason we get: "Vat good will it do for ze sorceress to compress time?
There may be many reasons, but it doesn't matter."
Well gee thanks Square. Even when you take on Ultimecia at the end she doesn't
really make a lot of sense. This is what set me thinking about her identity
and I have covered that in the "Theories" section of the FAQ.
One possible reason is that:
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a1.../Ultimecia.jpg
and:
If you are interested why she wanted to take over the power of all sorceresses, then one possible reason is that she wanted to attain absolute power....Quote:
Ultimecia, a sorceress from the future. She's trying to achieve time compression. She's the
only one who would be able to exist in such a world. She, and no other.
yes shes a power hungry lady that wants everything for herself
I'd hardly say that Ultimecia's motivations are the 'most important thing' (bar love story, of course) in the game. There are all sorts of reasons that we can consider--absolute power, sure, but that lends itself to why she thinks she needs it. Hearing her dialogue actually makes it interesting to think about what the world must have been like in her time, and why she felt she needed to do what she did. Aside from that she was probably insane, of course.
But maybe not knowing is part of things. Again, this is speculation, but maybe we can look at the similarities between this and between fighting when they thought it was their Matron, and even Squall's thoughts to Irvine at Deling City. SeeD exists to fight the Sorceress. That's true. They went, and they killed a woman (boss fight aside, the reality is that they intended to kill her) to stop what she was doing. Would it have maybe been helpful to know why she wanted to do it?
Sure.
Was it necessary? Not really. That's what SeeD is. They aren't really taught to need to know why, just that it needs to be done. Whether that's a good thing or a bad thing, it's up to the observer, but SeeD was never painted, as far as I know, as a group of shining crusaders.
Anyway, the answer isn't refering to your post and I just added it to make it more precise just in case anyone might be interested in the motivations or discuss about it...........
Whether it is important depends on how one look at the game......
well maybe she was angry towards SeeD
and wanted some vengance?
so she compressed time to make herself feel happy
Why would that make her happy particularly?
because she had a hatred toward SeeD
so exterminating them would satisfy her
I bet she doesn't. Sh's just ohunded by them because they don'yt understand them and really she just wants them all to be her friends but doesn't see how she can because they're always coming after her. So on the outside she's angry and destructive, but on the inside she's crying, and the welling in her chest hurts more than their gunblades and cruel fists ever will, because she knows she's going to lose...HAS to lose... but just wishes things could have been different.
this is one reason why I love FF7 more than FF8, everything kinda made sense in FF7..
thanks for the replies
We already know all witches are hunted and went into hiding. It's no differnt in the future. When she is born, she is hated and abused, and doesn't know why. She's only like... 5... "Leave me alone, I havn't done anything :(" she'd be saying.
So when she grows up and becomes more powerfull, she seeks to remove SeeD and all those that was mean to her.
There's a ton of info to back this up Here
Some key points include how she says to Squall "so...you're the legendary SeeD member Squall..." And he's all like :confused: because he's only just joined, and is the newbie rank. But in her time, in her history books, he's the legendary member.
Each sorceress holds a piece of the Great Hyne. If time were to compress, then all of the pieces of the Great Hyne would exist in the same moment in time. Ultimecia could then kill every sorceress and take their power, thus recombining the Great Hyne in herself and obtaining that power for herself. That's what I think her reasons are at least.
I think becoming all powerfull was just an added bonus to getting back at the society that hated her before she had even done anything.
Ultimecia wanna to take the power,body and mind of all the sorceresses to become Sorceress Adel.
Hyne doesn´t need time compression to do that.He needs Time Compression to deceive the persons of his time when Ellone send their counsciousness to the past.
He could as well just time travel and aplly the amalgament magic on all the sorceresses and knights.That would be more easy.(And he has made it on another universe of time).
However,Ellone´s interference forced him to compress time.That way,no one would think for example that Rinoa and Edea would turn into Adel along with Ulti(this one would be even more stupid since she was suposed to live on the future).
Plain genious.
Hyne decided to compress time after Ellone sent people´s consciousness to Ulti´s time(further on the past).He knows that Elle being emotionally attached to the other sorceresses and knights would also try to send people´s counsciousness to their eras as well.
But Hyne anticipated her performing Time Compression and changed the events so that people would see it differently.
Of course you would ask why didn´t Rinoa(the True Ellone) tells us this.
Hyne possessed Caraway and turned his house into a device which would make people inside loose memory(when locked on a special way).
That´s why he wanna Rinoa to be locked there.
But Rinoa was sided with Laguna to overturn Hyne´s plans.
Which means she didn´t forget anything but pretends so to deceive Hyne.
However Hyne still see Rinoa as a potencial danger.
He tried to get a hold of a cyborg which imitates Ellone´s powers and physical appearance.
Of course he will use this to replace Ellone and confuses people.
He thinks Rinoa forget about her ability.
Ignoring Futures rambling lunacy, Ultimecias most obvious motives have been touched upon already here.
Firstly, power. Compressing time would allow her to become the new Hyne, and not only that, she'd be able to absorb all of time and space, effectively becoming God, with absolute power over the universe.
However, she clearly wasn't born 'evil' (FF8 stands against that notion with Squalls comment on good and evil). As someone pointed out, she was probably persecuted in her own time for being a sorceress. This can be taken further out by suggesting that the SeeD's of the future were waiting for Ultimecia to be born, and being fallible humans, they seeked to kill her themselves, before she could cause all that havoc in her own time as well as the past, refusing to wait for Squall to arrive from the past. So they hunted her from birth, determined to stop her, even though she, as a new-born baby, hadn't done anything wrong yet. Understandably then, Ultimecia goes very angry, and a deep resentment against SeeD and humans in general starts growing in her.
Eventually, we end up with the power-hungry sorceress we meet in the game.
I think I read this at the back of where the discs are kept whatever-you-call-it. At the back (well, at mine anyway, mine's European version) it said something about a sorceress trying to not only control the world, but to control time and space with it. Now that's what I call world domination. Except it also has time and space domination.
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...Yes, thus Time Compression.
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Originally Posted by Future Esthar
Do my story remind the Matrix?
No, you are living in the Matrix.
Sry if this is common knowledge, but i havent play VIII for awhile. Who is Hyne?
Hyne is the godthinger that created the sorceresses and humans.
It's in the info part of the status screen.
Ultimecia is human, and sometimes they have lots of power and cannot stop attaining more and more. Why do you think Hitler attempted to take over the world? He was on an insane power trip that caused the deaths of millions. Ultimecia doesnt need to have a reason, just like hitler...
As for Ulti giving her powers away. She gives it away to Edea while time is still compressed. Remember Squall sees this event happen before Rinoa comes and helps him escape to their own time.
Thats how I view it at least...:D
You have to remember that SeeD were created to kill the sorceress, that is their purpose. And like a military, when given a job, ie to kill someone, the reasons do not matter, it is your job and you do whatever you can to complete it. And the obvious reason for Ulti is that she wanted power over everything, including time. It's really just that simple
THE JACKEL
to seek out Ellone in that current time and steal her abilities (i dont remember), so she could have control over time compression.Quote:
Originally Posted by Butz
ovcourse its much better when the game says it.
edit: if she combined Ellones abilities with the Time Machine, she could bassically change the universe as it is... even through a single change of events.
and ovcourse, power, potent powers aswell.
edit: in fact... it would bassically make her a god, having ableness to change how things are at her will.
Where does it say about Hyne? The only game reference is that Rinoa is addressed as 'the Sorceress Rinoa, Hyne's descendant' when she is taken from the Ragnarok to the Sorceress Memorial.