Which is better? The classic original Star Wars Movies, or the new ones?
Please explain why you think this.
And who's your favourite character? ^^
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Which is better? The classic original Star Wars Movies, or the new ones?
Please explain why you think this.
And who's your favourite character? ^^
Originals
cause thats where we got the oh so famous line
"Luke, I am your father"
:lol:
To be honest, I've never watched the originals. I've only watched the first and third Star Wars. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that the originals have a better story, but the new ones are more exciting due to the awesome new graphics to make the aliens and fights look more realistic. The 1st Star Wars (in the new series) was kinda sucky, because the story was lame. But the 3rd one was amazing. :)
I would like 1~3, if they weren't akin to removing my own limbs and swallowing them in terms of enjoyment.
It's kinda messed up a bit, because on the new ones they have all these new advanced machines, droids and ships.. When you look back at the originals, which is suppossed to be after the events that happened in the new ones, they don't have as advanced droids or ships as they do on the new ones....
I hope that makes sense to you..
I hate Star Wars, but because I found 3 tolerable, I'll go with the new ones.
the originals. ep. 5 is the best star wars movie.
there is a reason for that. you see, the first three episodes are made in rather peaceful times but in eps 4-6 there is a war going on... or something along those lines.Quote:
Originally Posted by Necron
Or, maybe it's because 4-6 were made years ago!
The original Star Wars trilogy is so much better than the new ones it's not even funny. Episode III comes decently close, but it still has some pretty shoddy acting and dialogue; that said, I still found it to be the most emotionally impacting Star Wars film. But A New Hope, Return of the Jedi, and especially Empire Strikes Back are all far, far better movies, and some of the downright best action/adventure/sci-fi flicks ever made. They trump the new ones even without amazing special effects. I honestly don't see how anyone could like 1-3 better.
I think that, the new ones are better, but, if it wasnt for the originals, then they would'nt have been so popular, so, they are basically both even... My favroite character has got to be Obi-Wan, because hes the only one who actually gets loads of action and fight sequences, and dies a fairly nice death, and he is the most powerful Jedi in it all (He lets Vader kill him remember)
Return of the Jedi is probably the best in my opinion. You can talk all you want about the dark gravitaas of Empire all you like, you seriously cannot beat the scenes with the Emperor in them. Easily my favourite character. And of course the classic "Ooti Juba Jedi Mind Trick!"
I think Yoda is the best character ^^
Damn right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Necron
They're all pretty enjoyable films, but I think the newer films moved a bit quick in some places, a little elaboration would have been nice. The only real complaint I have with the new ones (besides Jaja) is that Amidala went from Lara Croft to helpless and weeping in the space of one film. I mean, I know she was pregnant and everything, but it seemed odd she wasn't more in control.
It did move rather quick, although saying that, when you watch the newer ones, and then the older ones straight after (not neccesarily in one day), the older ones seem really really slow, which may make you yawn a bit after watching the newer ones. Although, the originals elaborate the story in much more detail...Quote:
Originally Posted by Pure Strife
I like them all.
And the apparent explanation behind Amidala's shift in mood is because she was so in love with Anakin, she couldn't stand to fight him emotionally, mentally or physically. (SPOILER)And when she died, she didn't die of what Anakin did to her. She died of heartbreak.
Yeah. Personally, I hated the character for that. Wuss.
Darth Vader beats all
he and yoda should have fought
that would have been awesome
EDIT: This is something ive been wondering
in Episode 2, when Anakin and Obi-wan lost to Dooku and than Yoda came walking slowly into the room
did everyone in the theater clap when this happened?
This shouldn't even be a contest. The originals are vastly superior to the prequels.
I liked the new ones more. With the old ones, it's not only the effects and stuff, the whole movies have a old-school feeling.
Fav char is Yoda.
Amen <3 The Epire Strikes Back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Azar With A Hat
And yet many people prefere the new ones. I rest my case.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fresno
Oh and Jango > all
Originals most definitely. One mustn't look at the "cool CGI" or that sorts. They had the better scripts and actors by a longshot (well, Christopher Lee and Ewan McGregor were good newies but otherwise...).
BTW, I HATE JAR JAR D:<
Cool CGI is important too
If they add Updated SFX and re release the originals with the new ones in an anthology box set, that'd be what I think is a good thing.
If they add modern SFX and update a couple of things then meh.
Or remake the original trilogy.
the originals were already once remade
so george lucas probably
doesnt want to do a 2nd remake
They weren't acutally remade, they were digitally remastered. And they were digitally remastered once on VHS, and then again when the trilogy was released onto DVD. ^^Quote:
Originally Posted by GunbladeMaster
Hmm.. I'm rather sure they will make a box set, they will earn a lot of money from that. In fact i'm positive they will release one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shoden
I like the new one ones or al least III. The second one was for teenagers and the first one was for kids. The original Star Wars win my vote, mainly because they were for everyone and that they are far superior to I, II and III in every way. Azar with a Hat speaks the truth and I too would not see how anyone could pick 1-3 over 4-6.
May i ask how the first one was for Kids?Quote:
Originally Posted by shadowtheninja
Episode one had too many kiddy elements...ooooooo a kid destroys a space station, ooooooo. Jar Jar spoke too much, Padme's cheesy plee to that frog dude. C'mon, it was a let down to all of the original Star Wars fans. There was no deeper elements to the movie, no depth that could live up to the original Star Wars (IV).
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Originally Posted by shadowtheninja
I agree it was very cheesy, but it's far too complicated for 'Kids' to understand, with all the Queen Amidala decoys etc..
I agree! Too many damn kids. I kinda like Jar Jar, though, but he gets annoying after the 400th 'Meesa Yoosa Poosa Floosa!'Quote:
Originally Posted by shadowtheninja
I watched Clone Wars again recently, and realised how many stupid joke there are. Like when R2D2 is dragging C3P0s stupid head around, C3P0 says 'Oh, you're such a drag!' Goddamit, that's stupid.
The first trilogy had a sense of adventure that the newer one severely lacked.
Also, the droids in Revenge of the Sith make some rather childish sounds when they are been killed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Traitorfish
I voted for the originals, because while I like Episode 3, I really like ANH and RotJ also. 2>1.
I think neither set came even close to living up to their potential, but I find the newer ones more entertaining, if only for the fancy-pants crap all the time, and I'm a sucker for a love story even if the script called for the poor actors to choke on those awful lines.
It's really hard for me to say that one trilogy was better than the other. While I was disappointed with a lot of things in the newer episodes, they make the older ones more enjoyable and add some depth to the story and characters, even if the dialogue is crappy.
I love the prequels simply because they add to the overall storyline and they hold a lot of scenes that mirror or refer to specific ones in the originals. So, I guess, just because it is a Star Wars movie. But what each trilogy lacks, I think, is made up for in the other. Episodes I-III are more appealing visually, with all the special effects, new environments, etc., whereas Episodes IV-VI have a better plot and more likeable characters.
But I'm easy to please, I guess.
I like them all but the originals were better. They had better and more likable characters, stories and overall feeling. Episode 1 had some of that feeling. Episode 2 lacked and Episode 3 was similar in feeling to ep2 but done better. Out of all the VI Star Wars movies my favorite was Return of the Jedi: Awsome movie *sheads a tear thinking about the final space battle*....so damn magical. My favorite characters were Darth Vader (no surprise there) Han Solo and Luke, Anakin (ep3 only), Obi Wan and C3PO (cracked me up).
Obi-Wan is my hero.
Anyway, the originals were far better storywise, and simply because the actors in the originals didn't make my ears bleed.
The originals were better.
Though Episode 3 was pretty damn good.
Obi-Wan really is the Greatest.
Yeah, Obi-Wan was pretty great, and it helps that he had two brilliant actors to play him.
I agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Del Murder
Ewan Mcgregor and Alec Guinness were two very good choices.
It's hard to picture anyone else but those two playing him.
But which one of them made a better Obi-Wan?Quote:
Originally Posted by My name is...something..?
Very hard question.
I consider all the movies as one whole.
McGregor fleshed him out more, but he's more memorable with Guinness. The new ones may be remembered fondly by younger people down the road (though I have my doubts) but the way they'll feel about these movies is nothing compared with how everyone's felt about the originals all these years. I remember skipping school for a couple of days in Jr High when I had the flu one year. I watched all 3 original movies. Both days. And enjoyed it immensely both times. No freaking way can I do that with the new ones. Sitting through one is too much anymore. And it's not nostalgia talking. The originals were just all-around better. But I guess that depends on what you look for in a movie. The new ones had CG, characterd development (albeit horribly acted), and an intricate political plot.
What's really sad is I've seen some of the Making Of things on the DVDs and they talk about doing certain scenes dozens of times until Lucas is satisfied with the way it came off. And you see Samuel L Jackson spouting bland contrived dialogue and have to wonder.... After a dozen shootings, THAT's the feeling he WANTED? Everyone seemed so bland and lifeless. People had character, and heart in the originals. And the plot wasn't boring politics. It was pure adventure. As Del Pointed out. The new ones didn't feel like an adventure. They felt forced. It was a really boring, long, detailed history lesson.
I vote the originals, they will still be remembered more fondly.
Also... Palpatine/Sidius/Emperor. When he acquired the wrinkles. What the hell...? His head got HUGE. It obviously took way too much make-up to get those wrinkles. They must have screwed up layer after layer. Either that or they didn't do it on his actual fice like they should have. He was wearing some bulky mask. It was gross and totally unbelievable. I know make-up artists can do a MUCH better job than that. Granted it might take having someone sit still for 3 hours to do it on their actual face. But to me that's the way it's supposed to be. It would have came off a LOT better...
Palpatine looks rather constipated when he says to Anakin (just after acquiring his wrinkles)Quote:
Originally Posted by Vyk
'The force is sttrrrrrrooong in you' (he says something like that anyway)
Half 'n' half, actually.
I tolerate Episode I, I like Episode II, I love Episode III, I hate episode IV with a passion, I love Episode V, and Episode VI is my personal favourite of the lot.
So, I like ... both.
Two words: Han. Chewie.
Truthfully, the dialogue and acting was no better in the old trilogy than in the new. However, it's forgivable there because they were smurfing fun movies. It was a fantasy tale at heart, with enough roughneck action to keep you entertained. The fact that it took place in space just made it interesting.
The new trilogy feels way too clean and stiff, especially for a movie based on a mysticism like The Force. And it's really political, almost to a fault. It manages to translate the darkness of Anakin' story, but even in that it only works in the Episode 3.. And it does so while losing the fun sci-fi movie side to the series. And even inThey tried to keep it fun in Episode 1, but in a really childish way. They almost completely ditch it for the other two, aside from bantering between Anakin and Obi-Wan at the beginning of Episode 2.
I'm not going to pretend that the old trilogy was this great epic. They were crappy in their own ways. But, at least they didn't have to rely on pretty, pretty lights to entertain us.
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Originally Posted by Autumn Rain
Very wise words. :)
New hope was the only star wars I liked to be honest .......
The originals before Lucas masturbated all over everything. Some of the updates in the theatrical release of them was good but others left me wondering why.
The news are just bad and I can sum it up in one line.
Vader: "nnnNNNOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!"
Me in theater: "BWWWWWWWWAAAA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAH A!"
Yeah that bit was pretty lame........Quote:
Originally Posted by edczxcvbnm
I have to say I enjoyed the originals better. It just seemed like the characters had more depth. A new Hope was my favorite.
And the character acting was better.Quote:
Originally Posted by fantasyjunkie
Originals for storyline, new ones for effects.
the donal trump ones
The original trilogy.
Yet with that said, I don't think the new trilogy is as bad as people make it out to be. In fact many of the problems that people claim kill the new series (bad acting) also plague the original (dude, some of the acting in return of the jedi was gut wrenchingly horrible). Some people can't see this for some reason.
Even though the new ones are good, the old ones are better. This is because they are original, classic and darn right amazing! fave characters- Yoda and Boba Fett
While there was plenty of bad acting in the originals, I don't think it was as bad as in the newer ones. The main people they focused on (Padme and Anakin) could not act. At all. Except for the parts with them, the movies were tolerable. Unfortunately, there wasn't a lot that lacked them. Then they combine the acting with some of the worst dialogue ever (yeah, there was bad dialogue in ESB and RotJ, but it wasn't nearly as bad or as common as it is in the new trilogy: the jokes are only part of it), they toss consistency out the window (the Force goes from something related to the strength of your mind and training to something which is predetermined by the nubmer of midichlorians in your cells), they kill off the best character in the first show again (c'mon, where's the originality?), they make the Jedi both stupider and more evil than the Sith...Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmch939
I could go on all day. The newer ones suck. The best one was the original (the whole "I am your father" thing ruined the others).
P.S. I liked the new trilogy tons better after seeing the deleted scenes. There's a lot of character and relationship development that was cut so more robots could pee on smaller robots behind a group of wompa cubs in a city that was made on a computer in the minds of men and gods.
To be honest I love them all, even Ep 1 (although I know it sucks...). That said, Return of the Jedi is the best film ever. I used to watch it every weekend for about a year when I was little. Dedication? Oh yes.
I love Star Wars.....
Chaos
Your words pretty much sum it up.... and I like Leia.Quote:
Originally Posted by Autumn Rain
the new ones are very good, but they sux comparing to the originals.
and my fave character is darth vader
Uh, the new ones are also originals, they're not fakes or anything.
I'll go with the old movies.
There's more than one way to use the word 'Original'Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirage
I like the originals far better than the new ones. There are things that I like about the new ones, especially in regards to combat. But the originals are just more fun and satisfying to watch.
And Han Solo is the greatest movie character of all time. It's just too sad that his character died with the rolling of the end credits for RotJ. :(
he died?
the best Star Wars was the Holiday Special
i missed that :(
[q]he died?[/q]
Not literally. :rolleyes2 His character disappeared from the big screen forever after RotJ ended. The new ones just aren't the same without a character of that calibur.
Originals are the best because of the hilarious space fight at the end of A New Hope. The guys X-Wing get shot and he's like 'I'M HIT' then flies straight on into the Death Star yelling YEEEAAAHHHHH!!!!!! Goes out with a bang.
Episode II is potentially one of the worst movies ever created.
Episode V is the only movie that is consistently good, ranging from the Battle of Hoth to the lightsaber showdown on Cloud City.
I like 1~3 the best. To be honest, that's probably just because the graphics were very good. The third movie was my favorite.
The what?Quote:
Originally Posted by Old Manus
I think the Prequels could have been better if somebody would have just popped George's ego and had someone else direct. The man is horrible. He had a bunch of amazing actors and had no idea what to do with them. The only person we got a decent performance out of was Ewan, who's had enough experience to stand out on his own.
I dunno. The whole thing irritated me. The new ones took themselves way too seriously. Nobody had any personality at all. Nobody had any sass, like Leia. Nobody was sarcastic. They even managed to make Yoda boring. Everything was, "I'm rather flustered with the Council, Master. They refuse to recognize my full potential. I am a large boy now, why cannot they see this?" "Oh, you have much to learn, My Young Padawan Apprentice Learner etc..."
I just think they blew it with the prequel idea. Charactor's motive consisted of, "Okay, this scene happened in the last movie, so I guess I have to react with ANGER! :mad2: " Everyone was just being helplessly tossed around by fate. Just because we already know what happens doesn't mean it has to play out like a history book. I felt like I was watching an outline that hadn't been fleshed out yet. It was very... amatuer.
I guess what it boils down to is Plot vs. Charactor. The Prequels really did have a decent story going on underneath the stiff dialogue and plethora of battle sequences, but the originals were completely charactor based stories. That's what always wins my vote. I don't care about the big battles and the apocalyptic events if I don't care about the people it's effecting.
The originals hands down. Stories better, dialogues better, actual comic relief(no Jar Jar. Seriously George, he's not funny), and just plain Darth Vader.
Also, I did clap when Yoda came in Episode II. That movie had to pick up somewhere.
To end my opinion, did someone actually say, " The famous line: 'Luke, I am your father'". That's not the correct line; go watch Empire and you'll here that he never actually says Luke. He says, "No, I am your father." God, I love Star Wars.
Also, Gunblademaster. you just got schooled.
Doesn't he say "No Luke, I am your Father"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Omni-Odin
EDIT: Ok, I looked on the script: http://www.scifiscripts.com/scripts/esb_final.txt
LUKE
I'll never join you!
VADER
If you only knew the power of the
dark side. Obi-Wan never told
you what happened to your father.
LUKE
He told me enough! It was you
who killed him.
VADER
No. I am your father.
LUKE
No. No. That's not true!
That's impossible!
VADER
Search your feelings. You know
it to be true.
I guess you are right :)
Im a starwars geek, the old ones were classics and were great movies, and han solo was the coolest of all charecters.