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When you first meet Beatrix and Kuja in Burmecia, who do you think would be the strongest?
I mean, Beatrix is a general that wipes out everyone, and Kuja is praised by Brahne for his powers.
Personally, I think Beatrix should be the strongest of them; there's just something about her attitude that kinda gives it away.
But hey, that's just my assumptions! :D
Kuja pwns everyone in FFIX. Lets leave it at that.
For coolness, Kuja. For eye-patchnesss, Beatrix. For simple winning overall, Wolverine.
xD
Plus the moogles are controlling Kuja, while Beatrix has her own free will. So beatrix still wins.
Kuja is so much better than everyone else in the game. :D
Kuja's Ultima annihilate everything in the game, even the oglops.
Gonna have to say Kuja
Beatrix could be wearing a thong under her clothes, she just has the decency to cover it up with more clothesQuote:
Originally Posted by mooglegirl608
when I first saw Kuja I thought "hmm fit bird" and then Brahne's words came and snapped me to my senses
well, at the time you meet them, kuja hasnt really shown any of his abilities, but kuja could be more powerful...or maybe not. who knows. :cat:
you know how, at the end, kuja (SPOILER) destroys the whole world and that , yeah i think that means that hed win. just a guess....
Yeah, what he said. Kuja wipes out a planet, Beatrix couldnt do that...Quote:
Originally Posted by Pure Quin14
We never see Beatrix attempt to destroy the world though, so we don't know whether she could or not.
and thongs are bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by mooglegirl608
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Originally Posted by Pure Quin14
That depends on the thong, an whos wearing it.Quote:
Originally Posted by nik0tine
Im gonna have to say Kuja is stronger.
He knows ultima and has 10000's of HP.
Beatrix on the other hand is in your party at points and has about 2000+ hp and attacks for about 1000+ damage.
Kuja wins,that damn transvestite :p
Girl power!!! (beatrix) :D
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Originally Posted by loza
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Originally Posted by Peter_18
kuja when you first meet him is just as strong as when you fight him in the pandemonium. hes not as strong as his trance form but would still be able to defeat beatrix.40,000 HP VS 1,300 HP with attacks that do way over the amount of HP beatrix when she joins you. and even if they were real without HP and stat points and things like that, kuja would be much stronger.
yup to everything involving kuja kicking beatrixs pretty ass.
If Kuja wore SOME DAMN PANTS! Id go with him. Now, Im used to RPG guys wearing revealing outfits, just look at Albel. But when a guy wears less than the girls in the game, that is cause for concern
Plus, Beaxtrix, Climhazzard, c'mon.
I really like Kuja, he is favourite villain, and his Ultima would pwn the bunghole of ANY party or villain of the new FFs, but Beatrix <3 omg <333 *fanboy mode* she is perfect <333~
Kuja, Ultima, c'mon. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Acid Raine
KUJA VS. BEATRIX!
*Kuja trows Ultima*
THE BATTLE IS OVER!
:D
Kuja. Even when I first saw him I assumed he was the strong one. The girlier the enemy looks the more scared of them I become. And Kuja looked pretty girlie.
Um....heheh....Okay, okay. Ultima is better and all that, but I still think he is more feminine than he should be. And Brahne could pwn Kuja any day! All she would have to do is sit on him! Fwafwa!Quote:
Originally Posted by Pure Quin14
or eat him.
If Beatrix and Kuja fought Kuja would be kicking Beatrix's beautiful ass when POW! Kefka jumps in and pwn's them both.
then I'd come along and kill everyone with a single, well-aimed sneeze.
Then Sephiroth, Seifer and Seymour (whoa a toung twister!) will come in and be like "wtf dude?"Quote:
Originally Posted by Pure Quin14
nope, they're all dead too...along with ALL the chickens!
Beatrix and Kuja huh? Kuja would whoop Beatrix's sweet behind because Kuja is the most powerful metrosexual in the universe!!! *maniacal laugh*
Actually.... you could probably take on kuja with beatrix when you fight him on terra and win.... assuming, of course he doesnt use ultima (but obviously, he will...)
And then all the other chickens will come and attack us all mercilessly! God help us!Quote:
Originally Posted by Pure Quin14
Exactly what I was going to say.Quote:
Originally Posted by mooglegirl608
Beatrix is awesome, she has a better attitude, and Kuja gets kind of angsty.
Personally I think Kuja would win hands down. Beatrix is only a human and could never destroy an entire planet, certainly not that easily. Him wearing a man-thong has nothing to do with his power only his lack of modesty.
Let me put it this way.
Kuja=dead
Beatrix=alive
Dead Body<<Unless its like one of those horrible people from Buffy the Vampire slayer or a german video game.
Funnily enough, I know exactly what you meanQuote:
Originally Posted by marc
Well I dont have a clue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pure Quin14
Well, before she suddenly loses all her HP, strength and overall power, I think she would have pwned Kuja TOTALLY.
even when shes very powerful when shes fighting you its not much compared to kuja.
Yes, the 3 times Beatrix fights you (or is it 4?), you're pretty new to the game. But when you fight Kuja you should be pretty experienced.
Of course that fag Kuja is the strongest, it takes 4 people and the Iifa tree to take him out, too bad Beatrix couldn't be a permanent character.
Kuja is not a fag. in japan he is a girl. i dont know if that is true but someone on here told me
In England he's a girl. Not literally, but if he was real, everyone would laugh at him and call him a girl. He'd probably get arrested too. Poor kids...
It is a shame that Beatrix couldn't have been a permanent character, but if she was, then don't you think the game would've been a bit easy, Nick?
Personally I think the game would have been a lot harder if Beatrix was a permanent character, because she's so weak...I more than double her HP by the time she gets to be in my party for a short time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pure Quin14
But in her temporary form (if you get my meaning...) she was probably purposely made worse than normal characters because she wasn't a full character. However, if she was one from the beginning, then no doubt she'd have been exactly the same as the others.
Even though I wrote that and know what I mean, that still doesn't make much sense to me :laughing:
I am doing a level one game and just got dont with the Battle of Alexandria and Beatrix helps out a crap load. I think she is great!! And HOT!!
Kuja. Period.
Kuja. Beatrix is awesome, best FF female character me thinks.
~Setzer Gabianni
Horrible, HORRIBE image.Quote:
or eat him.
Kuja.
hands down... Kuja.
Quoting myself...Does anyone know if this is really true. I read it on the forums here but I dont if I can believe it. I would really like to know cause that would explain lotsQuote:
Originally Posted by RaidenWeb17
Well, this theory would make NO sense at all, because Kuja is Japanese for "brother". :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by RaidenWeb17
besides, Zidane and Kuja are pretty much siblings with Kuja being the older one.
haha Raiden, you been scolded ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter_18
and wow, I never knew that. That's so cool.
Square have put LOADS of things like that in the game. Greek stuff, Japanese stuff, Persian stuff, everything!
I would like to test this theory.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pure Quin14
chaos: After seeing the way that Kuja uses Ultima, I'm gonna have to stick with him.
Trowa: Although, Beatrix was a real help to the party around the time (SPOILER)she joined.
kuja and beatrix once fought over who was stronger. Zidane won.
Kuja. But Vivi could beat him.
He could use his magic to put pants on him.
And Kuja'd be like, "Oh no, I've been pants'd!!!" '
And then he'd melt.
Ha ha! Oh laughalaughalaugh.
Okay, in the Japanese game Kuja is NOT a woman. That is a rumour that needs to die a very painful death. It's just a rumour that some pathetically insecure American guy - with repressed homoerotic desires that conflict with his "macho-man" complex - cooked up, to try and justify his inexplicable (to him) attraction to Kuja. Pitiful.
Face it, guys: you so would.
Also, as a girl, I find Kuja's outfit very refreshing. It's nice to see the male body objectified, for once. Though, ironically, Kuja's male body is somewhat female in appearance. Those hips!!!:D
Naaah - he's hot.:love:
I'm a guy and I so wouldn't. But I agree with your insecure American macho-macho-man idea.
I guess I dug this topic up...
Kuja, actually, cuz that trance thing of his is INSANE! :eek:
Kuja.
Frightening man. xD
Kuja, due to the fact that he calls a dragon :eek: I guess not everyone in Gaia can have a dragon, and Beatrix left walking :D
Kuja. He isn't the main villain of this game for nothing.
I agree. Although, I've seen some fan art with him and Zidane, 'doing things'. That I hate.Quote:
Originally Posted by TurkSlayer
Thongs don't kill people, people kill people. And Kuja kills me inside when I see his man-thong. I'll go with Beatrix she's so manly. :love:Quote:
Originally Posted by nik0tine
Kuja is by far the best. He's poetically powerful, and you can't beat that! :D
No she's not...:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Shiny_Griever
Ok maybe just a lil bit....:rolleyes2
But Steiner wears mascara, and you can't call him "womanly" can you?
I think the makers of this game are genderly confused lol j/k
Zidane: Kuja would pwn Beatrix with Flare Star and Ultima, Ultima is non-elemental and from FFIX point-of-view Ultima destroys entire planets, what does Beatrix have in her arsenal that destroys entire cities, let alone entire planets?
Kuja completely owns Beatrix.
Kuja makes mewetwarm inside. He'd own Beatrix without even lifting his Trancified handbag arms.
Beatrix is awesome, but she's clearly not in Kuja's league. They're both strong warriors, but Kuja is in an entirely different class.
Yup.
Kuja is the best in the Game! It's undeniable. Though Zidane is supposed to be stronger.
You don't see Zidane casting Ultima...
good one! :D If Kuja didn't die, then he would be good, and probably the leader!!! :D
No, because zidane gets his power when he dies, thats why he doesnt get owned by the lifa tree
Yes, but Eiko can use holy, therefore Eiko is superior! :rolleyes2
Then again, so can Beatrix...
Pffrt. You've already had this convo with Z&G lol. Eiko and Beatrix are not superior just because they can cast Holy. :D
Ultima beats Holy in any FF game, not just this one.
Did thongs exist in 1800?Quote:
Originally Posted by mooglegirl608
I don't think we can compare General Beatrix to Kuja at this point. We never got to see Trance Beatrix. And she doesn't fight against Kuja if you stay away from the cheats.
And superior in what ways? Ability-wise and fighting power its probably Kuja. But being smart and morally upright its got to be Beatrix since she has a sense of right and wrong, while Kuja is blinded by hate and this lust for power.
I agree and I so would. Bishies are teh yummy and Kuja made me the sexual orientation i am. Men can be very hot just like women.Quote:
Okay, in the Japanese game Kuja is NOT a woman. That is a rumour that needs to die a very painful death. It's just a rumour that some pathetically insecure American guy - with repressed homoerotic desires that conflict with his "macho-man" complex - cooked up, to try and justify his inexplicable (to him) attraction to Kuja. Pitiful.
And Kuja wins this...with precisely .1111111 of his power.
zidane is supposed to become more powerful than kuja but garland never intended kuja to become as powerful as he became. garland never expected kuja to go into a trance. zidane was designed to eventually become more powerful than kuja and he might have been but zidane was never intended to be more powerful than trance kuja.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fantasy Fan
beatrix could never beat trance kuja and normal kuja's magic skills would probably beat beatrix. beatrix is a powerflu fighter and can cast white magic so i guess shes a hyper powered paladin but kuja is just plain powerful even when he isn't in trance.
Why so many people think that Kuja can use Ultima and destroy a planet with his own power? Everyone forgot that Kuja only gained his powers because he STOLE the souls(and the power) of the Invincible. Is the same thing if i say "Kefka can use the Light of Judgement and destroy a city, with his own power". And Kuja cannot destroy a big planet(like Gaia, for example). He only destroyed a dead and small planet, located in the core of Gaia(like the Ultimania Guide said).
And in the first post, was said that this is Kuja in the begin of the game(normal Kuja), so, forget about Ultima, Super Trance, etc.
This being said, i will give my opinion. I think that Beatrix would win in a fight. Both of them are powerfull with magic, but Beatrix is very strong and skilled too, and she have more experience in combats. Beatrix is a legendary knight in FFIX world(like Sephiroth is in FFVII world), when Kuja is just a powerfull mage, but that don't know how to really fight.
Beatrix more remarkable quality is her strength and power. Kuja more remarkable quality is his intelligence.
In a direct fight Beatrix wins, in a indirect fight Kuja destroy her.
you cant really say that a lot of his powers shouldn't count because he used the powers of the invincible. thats like saying sephiroth shouldn't count because hes injected with jenova cells.
i agree that kuja wouldn't be able to destroy gaia though.
in a direct fight beatrix definetly wins, but kuja would never think of getting too close to beatrix and would fly a lot and destroy her with magic. kujas is nowhere near dumb enough to lose.
Incorrect. Kuja went into a Trance. The souls were to enhance the Trance. A “normal Trance” as he put it, wouldn’t be enough. So, it was his own skill with a bit of an addition. Besides, he more than proved his abilities before even going into Trance. He made the entire race of Black Mages. I’m sure that’s NOTHING, though..........Quote:
Why so many people think that Kuja can use Ultima and destroy a planet with his own power? Everyone forgot that Kuja only gained his powers because he STOLE the souls(and the power) of the Invincible. Is the same thing if i say "Kefka can use the Light of Judgement and destroy a city, with his own power".
It said in the guide he could only destroy a planet like Terra? Quotes?> Evidence? Get some.Quote:
And Kuja cannot destroy a big planet(like Gaia, for example). He only destroyed a dead and small planet, located in the core of Gaia(like the Ultimania Guide said)
Okay. One uber-spell down and a crapload of other accomplishments and feats still left.Quote:
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And in the first post, was said that this is Kuja in the begin of the game(normal Kuja), so, forget about Ultima, Super Trance, etc.
Well, I doubt she fought an opponent like Kuja. Only true history on her is that she killed a hundred knights. 100 hundreds do not equal powerful mage. So, her combat expertise may be totally useless here.Quote:
This being said, i will give my opinion. I think that Beatrix would win in a fight. Both of them are powerfull with magic, but Beatrix is very strong and skilled too, and she have more experience in combats.
He doesn’t know how to fight? More assumptions and unsupported assertions.Quote:
Beatrix is a legendary knight in FFIX world(like Sephiroth is in FFVII world), when Kuja is just a powerfull mage, but that don't know how to really fight.
Well, what do you mean by a direct and an indirect fight? A mage won’t attack her in melee combat, if that’s what you mean bya “direct” fight because that’s below him. And as for remarkable qualities, Kuja did take a shot from Bahamut, King of Dragons and second most powerful eidelon, and get a small scratch. Then laughed at the blood. He then would go on to survive an attack by the most powerful weapon in FFIX, the Invincible, while the kingdrom around him was demolished. Oh and he made the Black Mages and Mistodons and Zorn & Thorn...and yes, so his power is equal to his intelligence.Quote:
Beatrix more remarkable quality is her strength and power. Kuja more remarkable quality is his intelligence.
In a direct fight Beatrix wins, in a indirect fight Kuja destroy her.
There are intellectual villains who lack real power. Moebius the Timestreamer for instance is a complete genius but horribly weak. Kuja has the best of both worlds.
And this bit of addition is what really matter. The souls of the Invincible made him much more powerfull then a normal Trance will made. The fact, is that he would not be so powerfull if he didn't stole the souls. Exist a greate difference in saying, that Kuja can become a normal Trance with his own power, and saying that Kuja can destroy a planet with his own power.Quote:
Originally Posted by Forsaken Lover
If you put normal Kuja in a fight, and in the middle of it, he become Trance, he will not be so powerfull like in the game, because he didn't absorbed any soul during the fight. Will be just a normal and weak Trance.
A guy that can blow up a planet(or destroy the surface of it) with his own power, don't need to stole anything to become more powerfull.
And Kuja used the Mist of the Iifa Tree to create the mages. He don't created them using his own powers.
No, is not said exactly this. I really don't want to explain everything right now, so, if you want to know more about this, just go to this thread http://forums.eyesonff.com/showthread.php?t=91855Quote:
Originally Posted by Forsaken Lover
If you readed the thread, you will agree that Terra is a dying planet, and is more small then Gaia. Just because Kuja destroyed it, doesn't mean that he can destroy a living and more big planet like Gaia or Earth or etc.
Okay, i confess that i forgeted about the incident between Kuja and Bahamuth. That was something very impressive, and he have a chance of win because of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Forsaken Lover
Beatrix is a mage too, with powerfull spells. I doubt that during all her life of combats she never fighted against mages, but i can be wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Forsaken Lover
Of course that he know how to fight. But not like Beatrix. She trained and fighted during all her life, becoming the most powerfull knight in the world and a living legend. This is why i said that she have more experience then him. She was trained to fight and kill people, during almost all her life, and probably fighted against many powerfull enemys. Because of this, she is more experienced then him(know how to read the movements of the enemy, can use the enviroment in her favor, etc). She is fighting ALL HER LIFE and is a LIVING LEGEND. You cannot compare Kuja with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Forsaken Lover
Direct fight, is when they are in front of each other and have to fight. Indirect fight, is for example, they having to kill each other in one day or one week, without even seeing each other. Beatrix will try to find him and kill him, but Kuja will use his intellect, to manipulate someone to kill her, or will use his Black Mages to do this. Kuja is a very intelligent guy, and have many resources, and because of this, is the tipe of guy that is in the shadows, manipulating everyone. But if you put him in front of his enemy(without giving time to Kuja, to create a strategy to win), and say "Okay, fight against him/her", if this enemy is powerfull, Kuja is probably screwed. Kuja is a guy of thinking and planning. Beatrix is a woman of fighting and killing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Forsaken Lover
And Kuja never survived an attack of the Invincible. Garland attacked Alexander, not Kuja.
But in the end of all of this, anything can happen. Maybe Kuja will win, because Beatrix's attacks haven't the same power of Bahamuth's attacks, or maybe Beatrix will win, because she is more fast and more experienced then him, making Kuja be incapable of touching her.
In the end, is all about opinions. I have my opinions and you have yours.
Hm? Where is that stated? He simply states a normal Trance wouldn’t due. Perhaps he means a normal Trance as in how it does not last a very long time. For all we know, the souls merely keep the Trance perlonged. It’s never made clear.Quote:
And this bit of addition is what really matter. The souls of the Invincible made him much more powerfull then a normal Trance will made. The fact, is that he would not be so powerfull if he didn't stole the souls.
Well, we never saw him in a normal Trnace. So, yepQuote:
Exist a greate difference in saying, that Kuja can become a normal Trance with his own power, and saying that Kuja can destroy a planet with his own power.
A “weak Trance?” So, we have a very powerful mage given a normal Trance. We’re to presume it’s “weak” in anyway? We’re to presume it is weaker than the Trance he went into in the game? No proof either way.Quote:
If you put normal Kuja in a fight, and in the middle of it, he become Trance, he will not be so powerfull like in the game, because he didn't absorbed any soul during the fight. Will be just a normal and weak Trance.
So, an artist who uses paint can’t get credit for his paintings? A writer used a pencil when writing so it can’t be credited to him? Their painting and writing were not done by their own power... Kuja used the Mist to make them but also used pure black magic. So, he had the intelligence and the power to make them. Just like a talented writer has the intelligence to write a superb novel.Quote:
A guy that can blow up a planet(or destroy the surface of it) with his own power, don't need to stole anything to become more powerfull.
And Kuja used the Mist of the Iifa Tree to create the mages. He don't created them using his own powers.
And he did destroy Terra.
Assumptions, assumptions. But, hell, not even everyone agrees he destroyed Terra. People will chooose to accept his power in wrong ways but that’s to be expected.Quote:
No, is not said exactly this. I really don't want to explain everything right now, so, if you want to know more about this, just go to this thread http://forums.eyesonff.com/showthread.php?t=91855
If you readed the thread, you will agree that Terra is a dying planet, and is more small then Gaia. Just because Kuja destroyed it, doesn't mean that he can destroy a living and more big planet like Gaia or Earth or etc.
Thank you. I try. And I admire a person admitting when they forgot a detail. Most people attempt to just lie and distort.Quote:
Okay, i confess that i forgeted about the incident between Kuja and Bahamuth. That was something very impressive, and he have a chance of win because of it.
Originally Posted by Forsaken Lover View Post
He doesn’t know how to fight? More assumptions and unsupported assertions.
And Kuja was created to be a temp Angel of Death. More experience in combat would be a serious factor but we don’t know the extent of that experience.Quote:
Of course that he know how to fight. But not like Beatrix. She trained and fighted during all her life, becoming the most powerfull knight in the world and a living legend. This is why i said that she have more experience then him. She was trained to fight and kill people, during almost all her life, and probably fighted against many powerfull enemys. Because of this, she is more experienced then him(know how to read the movements of the enemy, can use the enviroment in her favor, etc). She is fighting ALL HER LIFE and is a LIVING LEGEND. You cannot compare Kuja with that.
There are intellectual villains who lack real power. Moebius the Timestreamer for instance is a complete genius but horribly weak. Kuja has the best of both worlds.
That’s while he says he’ll “show” Kuja andd telling him he’s gone too far and makes other statements in regard to halting Kuja because he’s “gone too far.”Quote:
Direct fight, is when they are in front of each other and have to fight. Indirect fight, is for example, they having to kill each other in one day or one week, without even seeing each other. Beatrix will try to find him and kill him, but Kuja will use his intellect, to manipulate someone to kill her, or will use his Black Mages to do this. Kuja is a very intelligent guy, and have many resources, and because of this, is the tipe of guy that is in the shadows, manipulating everyone. But if you put him in front of his enemy(without giving time to Kuja, to create a strategy to win), and say "Okay, fight against him/her", if this enemy is powerfull, Kuja is probably screwed. Kuja is a guy of thinking and planning. Beatrix is a woman of fighting and killing.
And Kuja never survived an attack of the Invincible. Garland attacked Alexander, not Kuja.
That’s a good way to end it. Thank you and I agree.Quote:
But in the end of all of this, anything can happen. Maybe Kuja will win, because Beatrix's attacks haven't the same power of Bahamuth's attacks, or maybe Beatrix will win, because she is more fast and more experienced then him, making Kuja be incapable of touching her.
In the end, is all about opinions. I have my opinions and you have yours.
Booba vs Thongs. A hard one! Thinking of it makes people hard too, I think. :bigsmile: