Greatest Rap Artist Ever

Who's you do you think is the best rapper ever?


My answer, 2pac I know what your saying, weak answer right? NO its not, he had the best lyrics, the best voice and greatest message. He had the best songs and his albums were always complete unlike rappers today who make one pop/rap hit an call it quits on the rest of the album.

Edit-Psychic Hornet gave me a good idea, dont only post your favorite rapper, post your favorite qoute from that rapper.

"Drinking Hennessy made all of my enemies envy me, so cold when I flow eliminating easily, they fall to their knees, plead for their right to bleed, while begging me to keep the peace."

Nas. Hands down best. "lryically I'm iller then a aids patient"

At the time I think Game is showing alot of promise, Eminem is the best white-boy, and of all time would have to be Eazy-E.

"Now I don't do dope but I'm definently doper than anybody who tries to cope."

rev run or ee in nwa

I heard a Run DMC song the other day that I couldn't get out of my head but I can't remember what it was called. The video is like a breakdancing showodwn. Anybody know which one it is?

It's Tricky?

Maybe, I'm not sure.

Oh nvm I got it. It was It's Like That.

I met you on friendster, your name was all weird, I feared the worst but the more I learned it all became clear, you were a female peer, just a few years younger than I, and you wrote the longest letters, the very best size.

You live in London, used slang like prat, you were dating the gym one akin to tight abs, I’d spend the days half, trying to make you laugh, you would and write back give me some more of that, well after one week, I knew I was hooked, you'd blush at each key stroke of X O, without getting one look at the other side guy his pics might be fake, this type of happens every day.

I’m no rock star, a clock watching drone, who's breath stinks of liquor, all stoned like lawn gnomes. No girlfriend, no hook ups, just lovelorn and smurfed up, no friend to just vent on, one who'll, say all bets off. concert was cancelled, you answered my email. Turns out you're bummed out didn’t want to give details. A mate had od'd, I could feel your heart beat. I miss you never met you, X O M C.

Boys don't cry, they prefer ballin' and shot callin. Teardrops fallin', I’m jonesin' harder than gollum, please god say that's London callin.

why ya gotta be so far away, why do plane tickets gotta cost an arm and a leg, maybe i should save a couple dollars a day, so without delay, i can look at your face, smell your hair, rest my hand on your neck, never mind neckin, you know that comes next I’ll buy you a dress at that place owned by dodi fayed. give ya head every night before bed.

but you might not D I G M C, might think me too brash or condescending, a sad finish without taking a first step, can't avoid saying something that I will regret but I bet that we would hit off great I could come to you, or you could come to the states, get you a job at mtv, whatever you need, I’m a slave 4 u like Britney was to jt. romance is a cruel trick. playin me like school kids, don't know if I should do this, if i'm stupid or just foolish, can't help but (pursue) this, despite you being half a world from me, what I wouldn't give to sit and sip a cup of tea, while you nibbled on a crumpet, I’d love it indeed, sincerely yours, X O M C.


Boys don't cry, they prefer ballin' and shot callin. Teardrops fallin', I’m jonesin' harder than gollum, please god say that's London callin.

mc chris wrote a rap song - a serious one, no less - about online relationships. That's one of the many reasons why he is the best rap artist, in my book.

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Originally Posted by Ubel

At the time I think Game is showing alot of promise, Eminem is the best white-boy, and of all time would have to be Eazy-E.

"Now I don't do dope but I'm definently doper than anybody who tries to cope."

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If you like Eazy E then you will probably be glad to hear that his son Lil Eazy is releasing an album in April, titled Prince of Compton.

Tupac hands down!

I'm gonna go with Talib Kweli.

I think eminem is the best. Never got into Tupac.

Eminem, though from what I here Jason Mraz techniquely raps, so I'll go with him if thats true.

Eminem for sure.

Jay Z-big pimpin-You know I - thug em, smurf em, love em, leave em
Cause I don't smurfin need em
Take em out the hood, keep em lookin good
But I don't smurfin feed em
First time they fuss I'm breezin
Talkin bout, "What's the reasons?"
I'm a pimp in every sense of the word, bitch
Better trust than believe em

I..
parts with nothin, y'all be frontin
Me give my heart to a woman?
Not for nothin, never happen
I'll be forever mackin
Heart cold as assassins, I got no passion
I got no patience
And I hate waitin..
Hoe get yo' ass in
Game-Dreams-Who walked through the White House without a business suit
Compton had jheri curl drippin on Ronald Reagan's shoes
Gave Mike Lem my demo, came here to pay my dues
Started off with Whoo Kid, then I start blazin Clue
It was all a dream like Big said it'd be
Don't sleep on me homey, I bring nightmares to reality
Rap phenomenon, defyin the rules of gravity
Studied all the classics, start revisin my strategy

"Studied all the classics, start revisin my strategy" yeah until he got Etherd :p

sT0p d1ss1n da gam3

Noone is dissing the game, I'm dissing Jay-z who was massivly dissed by Nas.

no rap artist can be great! rap is awful

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Originally Posted by final-andy

no rap artist can be great! rap is awful

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Glad to hear that. Why don't you go make a thread all about it so then can talk about it there instead of here.

Greatest rapper ever is hard. It's definately NOT 2Pac. He was no more than 'ok'. Then his pathetic 'disses' to NYC, any respect that idiot had was lost then.

It would be Biggie. There has been nothing like him since. Great lyrics, amazing flow, funny, serious. I could go on. There's also Jigga, underneath the bad commercial albums, he's an amazing emcee. Nas released one of the greatest albums ever in Illmatic. You have Cormega, Kool G Rap, Mobb Deep & Raekwon.

There is an amazing amount of greatness on the underground scene too. Slug from Atmosphere, Vinnie Paz from Jedi Mind Tricks, Sage Francis, Immortal Technique, Cage, Esoteric, JUICE, Jean Grae, Outerspace, MURS, Styles of Beyond etc etc

Too many to name.

Busta Rhymes has always been a favourite, tunes like Fire It Up and Gimme some more make him my personal favourite ( even though he isnt really doing anything that great nowadays )
Vybz cartel is another great artist, although people would probably put him under Reggae.
Pharaoh Monche is great, Probably made the greatest Hip Hop tune ever, Simon says.
I guess Nas should be mentioned, best tune is Nas is like.
I like 2pac, but hes only got massive recognition because hes dead, sorry if that sounds mean :(
Guess the final of my list is Biggy, 10 Crack Commandments and Juicy are smurfing great tunes.
I'd pick between Busta and Biggy.
Best quote, Hmmmmm, "Im more ill than an asthmatic on crack"
:D

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Originally Posted by final-andy

no rap artist can be great! rap is awful

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Keep your opinions to yourself, oh and you couldnt be further from the truth.

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Originally Posted by corncracker

Eminem, though from what I here Jason Mraz techniquely raps, so I'll go with him if thats true.

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Well, kinda. He more mixes pretty much anything he likes together, so sometimes you've got rap, but them sometimes you've got something more like a serenade. But yeah, he's pretty goddamn brilliant, whatever you count him as.

Anyway, my fave rap artist would have to be Sage Francis.

"i'm a man now (a real man)
not the one who went to two colleges
grovellin' over meal plans
i'm starin' at the ceiling fan
all wide-eyed
amazed by the ways the blades break the silence
i used to be afraid of firin'
it sounded startling
but now i'm starting to hate the quiet moments
might remind you of a mike
by the way i hold it (to the grill)
a homophobic rapper
unaware of the graphic nature of phallic symbols
tragically ironic, suckin' off each others' gats & pistols"

Immortal Technique. Industrial Revolution makes my pants haaappy.

Edit: Oh. Quote. Uh, from The Point of No Return: "I know I'm alive when I bleed, from now on it can never be the same as before because the place that I'm from doesn't exist anymore."

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Immortal Technique. Industrial Revolution makes my pants haaappy.

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"I'm broke as hell, my attitude is no good
Like working for white people after watching rosewood"

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Greatest rapper ever is hard. It's definately NOT 2Pac. He was no more than 'ok'. Then his pathetic 'disses' to NYC, any respect that idiot had was lost then.

It would be Biggie. There has been nothing like him since. Great lyrics, amazing flow, funny, serious. I could go on. There's also Jigga, underneath the bad commercial albums, he's an amazing emcee. Nas released one of the greatest albums ever in Illmatic. You have Cormega, Kool G Rap, Mobb Deep & Raekwon.

There is an amazing amount of greatness on the underground scene too. Slug from Atmosphere, Vinnie Paz from Jedi Mind Tricks, Sage Francis, Immortal Technique, Cage, Esoteric, JUICE, Jean Grae, Outerspace, MURS, Styles of Beyond etc etc

Too many to name.

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2 Pac beefed with JayZ, Nas, and Mobb Deep, and slaughtered them on his albums, but who do they praise whenever they come out with an album now, Nas even raps to remixed 2Pac songs, thats called respect.

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The fact that no one has even bothered to mention a female rapper, just goes to prove how male dominated the genre is. In my opion, Lauryn Hill could out rap any male rapper out there today. She's incredibly talented, her mic is way better than most male rappers.

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Originally Posted by SoulTaker*

If you like Eazy E then you will probably be glad to hear that his son Lil Eazy is releasing an album in April, titled Prince of Compton.

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Yeah I've known for awhile now. He's been supposedly been doing alot of work in the underground for a couple of years now but I still haven't heard him. I'm anxious to see if he sounds like Eazy.

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The fact that no one has even bothered to mention a female rapper, just goes to prove how male dominated the genre is. In my opion, Lauryn Hill could out rap any male rapper out there today. She's incredibly talented, her mic is way better than most male rappers.

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Her rhymes are more poetic then anything, I dont think she is much of a battle emcee. But this Genre isnt supremely dominated by Male rappers, Queen Latifah before she started doing movies used to rip male rappers apart in battles in New Jersey, Eve, Trina, Missy Elliot, MC Lyte have all went Platinum and Gold, that means someone out their likes them.

Lauri raps. No seriously, he does!
YES I KNOW I AM OBSESSED

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Originally Posted by Zeldy

Lauri raps. No seriously, he does!
YES I KNOW I AM OBSESSED

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lauris pretti fly 4 a wide guy

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Originally Posted by Cuchulainn

Greatest rapper ever is hard. It's definately NOT 2Pac. He was no more than 'ok'. Then his pathetic 'disses' to NYC, any respect that idiot had was lost then.

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then you obviously don't know 2pac, he wasnt put as the best rapper for no reason you know.

I listen to rap religiously and i personaly think that no-one even comes close to 2pac. I could be here talkin all day about him but what il say is that he had the best voice, best rapper lyricly and the most inteligent. He didnt always use his inteligence to do good things but nobody can deny he had talent.


favourite line? from 1993's Strictly For My N***** Holler if ya hear me:

I guess what, just cause im black born,
im supposed to say peace, sing songs,
and get capped on

Not a lot of people know who Abdominal is, but I can tell you he completely own almost every rapper out there. He usually works with DJ Format, who is also one of the best Hip Hop mixers out there as well.

Eminem or Biggie

2pac represented everything that was wrong with hip hop in the 90s. He dissed people. WHAT A GUY. No one but Chino XL & Mobb Deep bothered replying. Taking the higher ground to keep the peace. He was voted the greatest rapper. Again, WHAT A GUY. Talent isn't measured in mass appeal. If that were so, Spice Girls own Pink Floyd & Titanic was the greatest movie ever made.

Kids like 2pac as he represents the pointless hatred & rebellion every teen likes to portray. He's like emo for wiggers. He had skills, he just invented his life & started living how he rapped. Not realising it would kill 2 great talents & god knows how many more in the aftershocks. See past the BS people.

That is true what Cuchulainn just said, shame on 2pac.
I didnt know Chino XL got worked up about it though :confused:
On the subject of Chino XL, Kreep is a song everyone has to listen to by him, great old skool Hip Hop.

It's Nas no doubt, he has the realest stuff, tupac, he tries to be both, stick with one or the other.

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2pac represented everything that was wrong with hip hop in the 90s. He dissed people. WHAT A GUY. No one but Chino XL & Mobb Deep bothered replying. Taking the higher ground to keep the peace. He was voted the greatest rapper. Again, WHAT A GUY. Talent isn't measured in mass appeal. If that were so, Spice Girls own Pink Floyd & Titanic was the greatest movie ever made.

Kids like 2pac as he represents the pointless hatred & rebellion every teen likes to portray. He's like emo for wiggers. He had skills, he just invented his life & started living how he rapped. Not realising it would kill 2 great talents & god knows how many more in the aftershocks. See past the BS people.

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Youdo realize if you ever actually tell someone that doesnt live in New York or New Jersey that your ass is gonna get kicked. Hell I want a shove a stick up all those asses who dissed Pac an I might do it if I get enough frequent flier miles. HOW THE HELL IS TUPAC AN EMO FOR WIGGERS. I see past the BS . The BS youre saying.

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Originally Posted by Cuchulainn

Tupac's like emo for wiggers.

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lmao that's hilarious. Some people are still 100% sure that he is still alive and that he's gonna come back on the 13th of September this year (10 years after his death). Get over it, he's dead damnit!

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Originally Posted by Death Penalty

Youdo realize if you ever actually tell someone that doesnt live in New York or New Jersey that your ass is gonna get kicked. Hell I want a shove a stick up all those asses who dissed Pac an I might do it if I get enough frequent flier miles. HOW THE HELL IS TUPAC AN EMO FOR WIGGERS. I see past the BS . The BS youre saying.

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I'm sorry kid but the only people that hold 2pac as the greatest are infact (besides his close friends) suberban white kids with emowiggery. Real hip hop fans know best. I'll run the risk of little Homie Kevin G-Flaps from Wyoming whipping me with his BB Gun & do-rag with my views. E-threats own. Although I'm finding it hard to believe that a true Gangsta like yourself collects frequent flier miles.

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Originally Posted by Captain Maxx Power

Not a lot of people know who Abdominal is, but I can tell you he completely own almost every rapper out there. He usually works with DJ Format, who is also one of the best Hip Hop mixers out there as well.

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Yeah I've heard him :p he's pretty damn good but I dunno about owning anyone :p

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Originally Posted by Cuchulainn

No one but Chino XL & Mobb Deep bothered replying. .

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not true. Nas dissed back witht The Message wich in reality IS a tupac diss. Nas doens't include names in his disses except Ether of course :p


and if we want to say who hold the most "street credit" I'd say Big L would woop pac biggie nas everyone.

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Originally Posted by Cuchulainn

2pac represented everything that was wrong with hip hop in the 90s. He dissed people. WHAT A GUY. No one but Chino XL & Mobb Deep bothered replying. Taking the higher ground to keep the peace. He was voted the greatest rapper. Again, WHAT A GUY. Talent isn't measured in mass appeal. If that were so, Spice Girls own Pink Floyd & Titanic was the greatest movie ever made.

Kids like 2pac as he represents the pointless hatred & rebellion every teen likes to portray. He's like emo for wiggers. He had skills, he just invented his life & started living how he rapped. Not realising it would kill 2 great talents & god knows how many more in the aftershocks. See past the BS people.

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Getting shot, going to prison and having your so called friends turn their back on you would make anybody pissed. Many still dont know what sparked Chino XL to diss Pac, only reason figured is that he just wanted to help his album sales, didnt help btw. 2Pac everything wrong with 90's rap? Besides helping to put rap on the map, he actually had a message in his rhymes besides how much bling he had, his albums were complete, he wrote his own music, he has about 1,000 unreleased songs because he was constantly writing, he worked hard on every song, not just a pop song that you could play on the radio and call it quits, name one song that JayZ, Nas,or Biggie came out with that had the same emotional and social resonance as "Keep ya Head Up", "Dear Momma", "Changes" and "Brendas Got a Baby". He introduced phraise Thug Life to the world, not thug has in he will snatch your purse or rape your daughter but as a person born into poverty and hard times who makes it out and is still himself, and Nas and JayZ took the image and ran with it, which is what led to him dissing them, funny how when asked who Nas' favorite rapper is he replies 2Pac, and JayZ constantly mentions him in his lyrics. And Tupac wasnt dissing New York he was dissing their rappers who he saw has being fake and not "real" with who they were, especially bad boy records. His first stage name was MC New York, he was born in Brooklyn. And I dont know if you actually know anybody in New York but he is a legend their as well, 50 Cent, DipSet all claim 2Pac to be their favorite rapper.

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I'm sorry kid but the only people that hold 2pac as the greatest are infact (besides his close friends) suberban white kids with emowiggery. Real hip hop fans know best. I'll run the risk of little Homie Kevin G-Flaps from Wyoming whipping me with his BB Gun & do-rag with my views. E-threats own. Although I'm finding it hard to believe that a true Gangsta like yourself collects frequent flier miles.

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after this statement I question the fact of whether you actually know any black urban youths, because if you stop the average black person in the street and ask them who they think is the greatest rapper of all-time 9 times outta 10 they will say 2Pac. He is almost deified, I remember most of the kids in my high school still believed he was alive.

"I can" "The World is Yours"

Yes Tupac was born in new york but wtf does that have to do with anything He repped weast coast so why should he claim NYC for anything? I know SEVERAL black white latino urban youths, and yes tupac is in the top 3 but 9 out of 10 don't say he's the best. Mostly they say Big L and Biggie. Or DMX. Nas is my persoanl favorite, I know he's not the best but he's my favorite. He's the best knowledge rapper. Tupac had skills, he was one of the best but I don't think there can be a "best" and obviously no side is going to budge on this.

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Originally Posted by SoulTaker*

Getting shot, going to prison and having your so called friends turn their back on you would make anybody pissed..

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He got shot because he shot up a venue in Oakland with kids & went to prison because of gang rape.

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Originally Posted by SoulTaker*

Many still dont know what sparked Chino XL to diss Pac, only reason figured is that he just wanted to help his album sales, didnt help btw...

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Many don't know? are mad? Do your homework. Chino Xl responded to Pac's mad rant at the end of hit em up.

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Originally Posted by SoulTaker*

2Pac everything wrong with 90's rap? Besides helping to put rap on the map, he actually had a message in his rhymes besides how much bling he had, his albums were complete, he wrote his own music, he has about 1,000 unreleased songs because he was constantly writing, he worked hard on every song, not just a pop song that you could play on the radio and call it quits, name one song that JayZ, Nas,or Biggie came out with that had the same emotional and social resonance as "Keep ya Head Up", "Dear Momma", "Changes" and "Brendas Got a Baby". He introduced phraise Thug Life to the world, not thug has in he will snatch your purse or rape your daughter but as a person born into poverty and hard times who makes it out and is still himself, and Nas and JayZ took the image and ran with it, which is what led to him dissing them, funny how when asked who Nas' favorite rapper is he replies 2Pac, and JayZ constantly mentions him in his lyrics.

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Nas is Nas, Jay Z does not constantly mention Pac. Jay Z constantly mentions Biggie & occastionally mentions Pac. Again sourceless claims.

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Originally Posted by SoulTaker*

And Tupac wasnt dissing New York he was dissing their rappers who he saw has being fake and not "real" with who they were, especially bad boy records. His first stage name was MC New York, he was born in Brooklyn. And I dont know if you actually know anybody in New York but he is a legend their as well, 50 Cent, DipSet all claim 2Pac to be their favorite rapper.

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I could care less where someone is born or where they rep.That isn't my point.

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Originally Posted by SoulTaker*

after this statement I question the fact of whether you actually know any black urban youths, because if you stop the average black person in the street and ask them who they think is the greatest rapper of all-time 9 times outta 10 they will say 2Pac. He is almost deified, I remember most of the kids in my high school still believed he was alive.

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Kids like Pac. Again I must say WHAT A GUY and refer to my earlier statements on angsty emorap for kids.

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Originally Posted by Cuchulainn

He got shot because he shot up a venue in Oakland with kids & went to prison because of gang rape.

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Never heard that, from what I know Pac was set up to be killed and to make it look like a robbery, but he was with friends and they didnt get an ounce of jewelry robbed form them and he was the only one shot, when he got up to the hotel room he said that Puffy and many others looked surprised that he was alive. In the rape case Pac was set up by the police and one of his friends who was gang leader was an informent. It was because Pac had shot 2 off duty police officers in an altercation. The police officers were assualting a black motorist when Pac stopped them. The charges in this case were dropped because the officers were intoxicated and had stolen guns from an evidence locker, they also started the altercation. Pac has said that he wasnt envolved in the rape, but he has stated that he feels bad for not knowing enough to stop it.

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Many don't know? are mad? Do your homework. Chino Xl responded to Pac's mad rant at the end of hit em up.

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Hit em up was a response or dont you do your homework. Pacs response was due to the fact that CHino XL in a song called "Riiot", claimed 2Pac was raped in jail, in which he stated "by this industry, I'm trying not to get smurfed like 2Pac in jail", this was before hit em up. Chino XL, later stated that he meant no disrespect to Pac, and that he greatly respected him, Chino XL now claims to be a west coast rapper. Again due your own homework, mines already turned in.

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Nas is Nas, Jay Z does not constantly mention Pac. Jay Z constantly mentions Biggie & occastionally mentions Pac. Again sourceless claims.

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What do you mean Nas is Nas? How does that back up your argument. Okay you say JayZ occasionally mentions Pac, but he does mention him, before a show he stated "long live 2Pac" or something to that effect. Again JayZ started it by dissing him on "Brooklyn's Finest" him AND Biggie. And Mobb Deep is just a bunch of losers, they even tried to beef with Jayz.

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I could care less where someone is born or where they rep.That isn't my point.

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Whats your point, that only white suburban kids listen to Pac, how many black urban kids do you know?

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Kids like Pac. Again I must say WHAT A GUY and refer to my earlier statements on angsty emorap for kids.

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He spoke out against police brutallity, ingnorance and selling out, sadly this didnt seem to have an affect on rappers like Nelly, Chingy, Lil Kim and P Diddy.

Psy Hornet, so you know 3 black, white and latino urban youths? Just kiddin, Nas is a great rapper, he's in my top 5 for his message and that fact that he doesnt make pop songs, and Im not saying that Pac should be the be all end all, Im often torn between him Biggie and Rakim, but he is more than "ok" as Cuchulainn put it.

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Originally Posted by SoulTaker*

Never heard that, from what I know Pac was set up to be killed and to make it look like a robbery, but he was with friends and they didnt get an ounce of jewelry robbed form them and he was the only one shot, when he got up to the hotel room he said that Puffy and many others looked surprised that he was alive. In the rape case Pac was set up by the police and one of his friends who was gang leader was an informent. It was because Pac had shot 2 off duty police officers in an altercation. The police officers were assualting a black motorist when Pac stopped them. The charges in this case were dropped because the officers were intoxicated and had stolen guns from an evidence locker, they also started the altercation. Pac has said that he wasnt envolved in the rape, but he has stated that he feels bad for not knowing enough to stop it.

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It is well known. It was a Jamaican style punishment shooting for his firing into a crowd of kids in Oakland. He was set up for it, undoubtedly. But not by Bad Boy, they simply had not the clout at that stage. There are strong hints maybe Stretch Walker was involved. The crew in the building were surprised, yes. Who wouldn't be. That does not make them responsible. We will never truely know what happened, either at the Manhattan shooting or at the rape, to exhonourating him is as retarded as blaming him.

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Originally Posted by SoulTaker*

Hit em up was a response or dont you do your homework. Pacs response was due to the fact that CHino XL in a song called "Riiot", claimed 2Pac was raped in jail, in which he stated "by this industry, I'm trying not to get smurfed like 2Pac in jail", this was before hit em up. Chino XL, later stated that he meant no disrespect to Pac, and that he greatly respected him, Chino XL now claims to be a west coast rapper. Again due your own homework, mines already turned in.

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Chino is well known for his methaphoric raps. I'm well aware of riiot. Chino also has a line about being fatter in hip hop than Biggie. These's are not direct attacks but intelligent similies every rap artist uses. Biggie was big enough to see the funny side, Pac wasn't.

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Originally Posted by SoulTaker*

What do you mean Nas is Nas? How does that back up your argument..

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Nas has a dope flow but no crew so he floats from camp to camp. Nas is Nas. He has shafted so many former friends it's not funny, now he's virtually lonesome. I don't dislike or like him. I'm just not surprised by anything he comes off with that contradict earlier statement.

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Originally Posted by SoulTaker*

Okay you say JayZ occasionally mentions Pac, but he does mention him, before a show he stated "long live 2Pac" or something to that effect. Again JayZ started it by dissing him on "Brooklyn's Finest" him AND Biggie. And Mobb Deep is just a bunch of losers, they even tried to beef with Jayz.

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Jigga occasionally mentions Pac like I said. You quoted me then backed it up? Mobb Deep are loser based on what? The fact you take some dead rappers beefs on your shoulders & carry them like you have a right to? Please.

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Originally Posted by SoulTaker*

Whats your point, that only white suburban kids listen to Pac, how many black urban kids do you know?

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I have no problem with suburban white kids listening. Just as long as they don't dress like Busta Rhymes & say 'nigga'. Those kids tend to only follow the bling shoot kill nigga hip hop. It's that that disgusts me.

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Originally Posted by SoulTaker*

He spoke out against police brutallity, ingnorance and selling out, sadly this didnt seem to have an affect on rappers like Nelly, Chingy, Lil Kim and P Diddy.

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A LOT of rappers have spoke out about that. He hasn't the monopoly there. You list hip-pop artists I have zero respect for so I have no intention to defend.

Biggie's lyrics, flow, humour was, in my opinion, superior to anyone since. There will be no one like him again. He Was & is the Greatest of all time.

Wher are you getting this Tupacs for wiggers stuff. It is bull.

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Originally Posted by Cuchulainn

Nas has a dope flow but no crew so he floats from camp to camp. Nas is Nas. He has shafted so many former friends it's not funny, now he's virtually lonesome. I don't dislike or like him. I'm just not surprised by anything he comes off with that contradict earlier statement.

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Not really true tho, Nas has AZ, Mobb, NORE, nature on and off for all he's worth :p, The Bravhearts (Jungle Whiz Horse and Neshawn) Quan, Jadakiss & Dblock and the game. I guess he's starting a new label and said "you'll be suprised who I signed." I found this quite amusing:
MTV: Hey, 50 is signing a bunch of folks to G-Unit!
Nas: They don't got enough paper for me.

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Originally Posted by Cuchulainn

It is well known. It was a Jamaican style punishment shooting for his firing into a crowd of kids in Oakland. He was set up for it, undoubtedly. But not by Bad Boy, they simply had not the clout at that stage. There are strong hints maybe Stretch Walker was involved. The crew in the building were surprised, yes. Who wouldn't be. That does not make them responsible. We will never truely know what happened, either at the Manhattan shooting or at the rape, to exhonourating him is as retarded as blaming him.

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Jacques Agnant aka Haitian Jack was responsible for it, he was an informant, Pac got 1 to 4 yrs while he was given a 3 year suspended sentence. And Haitian Jack was funding Bad Boy at that time, never heard about Pac shooting kids, I think your trying to spin some lies. Pac got into an altercation in Marin County, they shot at Pac and 1 of the bullets ricocheted and killed a kid. THe sheriffs department were their and because they handled the situatuion badly shots were fired but not by 2Pac.

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Chino is well known for his methaphoric raps. I'm well aware of riiot. Chino also has a line about being fatter in hip hop than Biggie. These's are not direct attacks but intelligent similies every rap artist uses. Biggie was big enough to see the funny side, Pac wasn't.

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Theirs a difference between calling somebody fat and spreading lies about a dude while he is in jail sayin he got raped. Talking about a dudes weight problem and talking about somebody getting sexually assaulted in jail are completely different things. Pac really didnt respond though, he gave Chino 5 words, "Chino XL, smurf you too" thats it.

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Nas has a dope flow but no crew so he floats from camp to camp. Nas is Nas. He has shafted so many former friends it's not funny, now he's virtually lonesome. I don't dislike or like him. I'm just not surprised by anything he comes off with that contradict earlier statement.

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Like Psy said, AZ, NORE, Nature, he doesnt float from camp to camp he gots true friends, he's not lonesome, he's just real, and wont put out what the record companies would like him to put out. He's not a sell out. Jay Z will be funding a Nas album later this year.

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Jigga occasionally mentions Pac like I said. You quoted me then backed it up? Mobb Deep are loser based on what? The fact you take some dead rappers beefs on your shoulders & carry them like you have a right to? Please.

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Jay Z qouted in interview, "2pac & Biggie were the great pioneers in Hip Hop, who paved way and created the blueprint for me, and now that they gone, I will like to keep them alive because they inspired me, (especially on this album)". This was done during an interview with Sway in light of him sampling 2pacs "Me and My Girlfriend". Killa Cam is now taking shots at Jay. Jay Z vs DipSet should be interesting. Mobb Deep is whack because they change sides and beef with everybody. And I dont take dead rappers beefs on my shoulders, I like JayZ, Nas, and Biggie, put Pac was the greatest.

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I have no problem with suburban white kids listening. Just as long as they don't dress like Busta Rhymes & say 'nigga'. Those kids tend to only follow the bling shoot kill nigga hip hop. It's that that disgusts me.

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Like I said, how many black urban kids do you know? Pac was an activist, he was visited by the nation of Islam and Jesse Jackson before he died, he was on so many different levels than any rapper ever, he was a poet, artist and great actor, theirs no doubt that he would have a oscar if he was still alive.

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A LOT of rappers have spoke out about that. He hasn't the monopoly there. You list hip-pop artists I have zero respect for so I have no intention to defend.

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Yeah, alot of rappers have mentioned it, but he is probably the only rapper that succeeded in getting it to the mainstream. Biggie had power and could of rapped about it, but he rapped more about his money and such, which Pac knew at the time he didnt have, Pac let biggie rap at his concerts and stay at his house. And Biggie just dissed him.

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Biggie's lyrics, flow, humour was, in my opinion, superior to anyone since. There will be no one like him again. He Was & is the Greatest of all time.

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Biggie was probably one of the greatest battle rappers of all-time and the humor he used in his rhymes where legendary "So we can steam on the way to the telly go fill my belly. A t-bone steak, cheese eggs and Welch's grape", both are in my top 2, but everytime I have to go with Pac because he was more of a complete rapper, with a better message.

Has anybody mentioned that Jay-Z and Tupac used to be in the same group? C'mon man Digital Underground for life. :laugh: The Humpty Dance.

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Originally Posted by Ubel

Has anybody mentioned that Jay-Z and Tupac used to be in the same group? C'mon man Digital Underground for life. :laugh: The Humpty Dance.

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Do the Humpty Hump!

Rakim > all

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Originally Posted by eestlinc

Rakim > all

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You ever heard the song by Nas U.B.R. (UNAUTHORIZED BIOGRAPHY OF RAKIM)? Good song.

Soul Taker, fair play to ya for giving 2pac justice. i would have said the same things if you hadnt posted. im delighted to see someone apprieciates this artists music, poetry and movies.

-and while your doin the humpty hump, i just have to say that D.U. never really got the acclaim they deserved, but Thug Life most especially, MoPreme and The Rated R being the most noted in my opinion. They may have not been around for long, but Volume 1 was probably my favourite 2pac (if partly) Album(even though it may only go 10 tracks deep)

Dayum!! I heard Lil' Eazy finally. If you like the original E than you have got to listen to this guy! It's like Eazy-E has been reborn.

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Originally Posted by Ubel

Dayum!! I heard Lil' Eazy finally. If you like the original E than you have got to listen to this guy! It's like Eazy-E has been reborn.

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Finally. Where did you listen at. I heard it on the mixtape circuit.
SoulTaker are you sure your not my daady.

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Originally Posted by Ubel

Has anybody mentioned that Jay-Z and Tupac used to be in the same group? C'mon man Digital Underground for life. :laugh: The Humpty Dance.

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It's a different Jay-Z.

And we'll agree to differ on Pac. This is turning into a tennis match that I'm gradually getting bored of playing. Let me just say this. Biggie only rapped about being rich...when he got rich. His first album was grimey as hell. To paraphrase own words, when he was making his much when he was getting paid, rapping about being broke, drug dealing & toting guns would not have been being real. Biggie had strong DEEP lyrics. 'Suicidal Thoughts' is chilling, 'Me & My Bitch', 'Ready to Die'. He was a complete emcee.

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Originally Posted by Death Penalty

Finally. Where did you listen at. I heard it on the mixtape circuit.
SoulTaker are you sure your not my daady.

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O I think they like me! (crip walks)

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O I think they like me! (crip walks)

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Silly pops its O I O I think they like me the you lean rock and snap

MF Doom

He's been releasing some outstanding efforts over the last few years and does an amazing job differing himself from other MCs.

The best mainstream rapper ever? I don't know. It's a toss up really. Sometimes it's either between 2 Pac vs Biggie or Nas vs Jay-Z for me.

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Originally Posted by Death Penalty

Finally. Where did you listen at. I heard it on the mixtape circuit.
SoulTaker are you sure your not my daady.

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I got some of his tracks off of Limewire. He redid Eazyer said than Dunn.

Have you heard the NWA 2.0 tracks

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Originally Posted by Ubel

Has anybody mentioned that Jay-Z and Tupac used to be in the same group? C'mon man Digital Underground for life. :laugh: The Humpty Dance.

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At last an ounce of sanity trickles back into our lives. Humpty hump!

Apparently I missed Pac-man's rap effort. Probably because of that silly '2 Pac" name he used, I didn't twig at first. Where can I download it, and is it anything more than "Wakka wakka wakka wakka wiggidy wakka"?

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Originally Posted by I'm my own MILF

Apparently I missed Pac-man's rap effort. Probably because of that silly '2 Pac" name he used, I didn't twig at first. Where can I download it, and is it anything more than "Wakka wakka wakka wakka wiggidy wakka"?

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Just stop the travesty that is that attempted joke

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Originally Posted by I'm my own MILF

Apparently I missed Pac-man's rap effort. Probably because of that silly '2 Pac" name he used, I didn't twig at first. Where can I download it, and is it anything more than "Wakka wakka wakka wakka wiggidy wakka"?

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Dont play like that, you could have gave someone a heart attack.

I listen to alot of rap music and my opinion always changes, atm i'd say Trick Daddy was the "best" rapper, but it will change like I said, i'll let ya know when it does

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