Sims 2 vs. Court

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03-01-2006, 03:26 AM
Shiny

Sims 2 vs. Court

So now it's pretty much official. Another game trial will be held against The Sims 2. The lawyer that'll be going against it was even quoted as saying it's worse than Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas. The real reason he wants to ban this game is, because he says that the sexual content in it was too strong. That's what I don't get. The Sims aren't anatomically correct and when they "Woohoo" (have sex) you don't see a thing. I haven't played San Andreas, but I've heard that it's more graphic than The Sims. I know Vice City is 10x worse. So what do you think? Has the need to ban video-game violence and sexual content gone too far?
03-01-2006, 03:28 AM
TheAbominatrix

I love how sex is considered worse than a man stealing cars and beating innocent people to death with a dildo. How wonderful.
03-01-2006, 03:45 AM
Erdrick Holmes

Sims 2 is one of the best selling PC games ever made. Of course if anybody wants to find a reason to sue a company with billions of dollars they'll do it.
03-01-2006, 03:49 AM
SnoopyG

well its just the same with gta san andreas, u can decide to do all these things or not. And everything is censored so i dont see a problem.
03-01-2006, 03:52 AM
TheAbominatrix

GTA, however, centers around crime and violence as plot points. You cant beat the game without stealing and killing and such. I'm not saying that it should be banned for any reason or anything like that, but it's definitly not for kids and violence/crime is the entire focus on the game.

Sims, however, is indeed optional. You dont have to have your characters 'Make Woohoo', and when they do it's just a lot of movement under the blankets. Nothing graphic.
03-01-2006, 04:00 AM
ShunNakamura

Yeah, but my mom up til we were in 8th or so grade thought that was too much. And I still think she would have a fit if she caught my sisters playing a game that had such stuff in it.

So yeah.... people are too sensitive. I sorta understand my mom throwing a fit(she can't even turn my computer on or off(the power button isn't 'where it is supposed to be')... so how is she supposed to remove 'bad games'. And dad doesn't care if that is all the more it is. So throwing a fit is kinda understandable. She can't stop us unless we aggree and remove it ourselves. And most of us in the family don't hold the values that movement under the blanket is bad.
03-01-2006, 04:22 AM
Winter Nights

Wait.. Are we referring to Jack Thompson? Because he's been making that accusation for about a year now. And I'm pretty sure he'll just be laughed out of court again.
03-01-2006, 04:33 AM
Shiny

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Originally Posted by Autumn Rain

Wait.. Are we referring to Jack Thompson? Because he's been making that accusation for about a year now. And I'm pretty sure he'll just be laughed out of court again.

Yes! That's his name. I was trying to remember it. Hopefully this will all just blow over like most video-game trials do.
03-01-2006, 04:46 AM
Shlup

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Originally Posted by ShunNakamura

Yeah, but my mom up til we were in 8th or so grade thought that was too much. And I still think she would have a fit if she caught my sisters playing a game that had such stuff in it.

That's why it has a "T" rating. It's not for children. I don't even care that the "sex" is entirely unseen; it's better than in Sims 1 where you'd be making out and a baby'd magically appear.

But, yeah, this has been going on for awhile now. Nothing'll come of it because Jack Thompson is making retarded acusations like it's child pornography because if you know the code you can remove the censor and remove the children's doll-like bodies.

He should just sue every doll maker there is. YOU CAN TAKE OFF THEIR CLOTHES AND TOUCH THEIR GENITAL-LESS CROTCH AREAS. CHILD PORN CHILD PORN!
03-01-2006, 04:56 AM
Shiny

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Originally Posted by ShlupQuack

YOU CAN TAKE OFF THEIR CLOTHES AND TOUCH THEIR GENITAL-LESS CROTCH AREAS. CHILD PORN CHILD PORN!

OMFG! :laugh: I guess nobody told him that there is also a way to hack into the the computer to make the lil simmies have pee pee's and what not. But then he'd actual have a case. Still, even then it wouldn't be as bad as running over someone with a car and beating up hookers.
03-01-2006, 05:06 AM
TheAbominatrix

You cant blame the company for the hacks of the people, so he wouldnt have a case even then.
03-01-2006, 05:12 AM
Shlup

Yeah, that'd be like suing them because some people make the Sim's clothes too sexy, or Animal Crossing because I could draw a penis on my character's hat if I wanted.
03-01-2006, 05:18 AM
KentaRawr!

Hey! I remember this! There's something on wikipedia about it. It's kinda stupid though. Jack Thompson claimed that under the censor is full frontal nudity (Nipples, pubic hair, etc.). He went on to say that it's not directly accesible, but using a simple cheat code would reveal it. This would mean they hid something from the ESRB. He also said that "Pedophiles could access these things and then re-enact what they see." What? Pedophiles? :rolleyes2 Of course, to my... I mean, a lot of teenage boys who aren't me dismay, there was no nudity under the censor. Many people stated that it was just as good as a Barbie Doll. Jack Thompson (The dumb lawyer) said "I was always aware of this." :p He went on to say that children, oh no, people of ALL ages should not be allowed to see this kind of content. "Even if they (The nudity parts) are just as good as Barbie and Ken dolls."

For those of you who don't know what Jack Thompson looks like, here's a picture.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...nhcontrast.png
Fact of the day: Jack Thompson doesn't have a good hair-cut.

For those of you who want to know what he does, here's a link to a basic explanation of what he does: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Thompson#Activism

For those of you who want to know exactly what he does, here's a link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Thompson

o_O This Jack Thompson guy is kinda weird, as you can see. He constantly points out that games like GTA aren't for kids, and that it should be made less possible for kids to get these games. I agree with him there, but really, isn't it the parent's job to do that? The parent is there to guide the child into a good life. If a parent thinks something is bad for their children, they shouldn't allow them to get it. It's the parent's job to raise the child, not the creators of GTA. Plus, there is a mark on the back of every box that tells you the recommended age group. I say no-no to Jack. :tongue:
03-01-2006, 05:20 AM
Shiny

I wonder if this guy has ever actually played the game, because most of what he thinks is in it isn't.
03-01-2006, 05:23 AM
Shlup

There was something somewhere on a Sims 2 site where someone posted pictures of the "WooHoo" in the Sims 2 (animated as moving bed covers with the occassional arm or leg sticking out the side), and then pictures of Barbie and Ken in some very creative sexual positions. I lol'd. xD
03-01-2006, 05:28 AM
KentaRawr!

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Originally Posted by ShlupQuack

There was something somewhere on a Sims 2 site where someone posted pictures of the "WooHoo" in the Sims 2 (animated as moving bed covers with the occassional arm or leg sticking out the side), and then pictures of Barbie and Ken in some very creative sexual positions. I lol'd. xD

:lol: Dude, that's awesome. Might you have a direct link? :tongue:
03-01-2006, 07:30 AM
Winter Nights

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Originally Posted by Shiny_Griever

I guess nobody told him that there is also a way to hack into the the computer to make the lil simmies have pee pee's and what not. But then he'd actual have a case.

Actually, that's what his case has always been. That mods were against copyright laws and that if EA won't force modders to stop making them that EA should be responcible for the mods themselves. It's actually quite retarded, as his entire case rests on whether or not a judge will buy into EA being at fault for other people smurfing with their [img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img]. Which isn't very likely.
03-01-2006, 11:53 AM
~SapphireStar~

The sex is the best thing in the Sims cause its so damm funny. Its not like you actually see anything, just them jump under the sheets and the bed starts to rock. Its not as if they show their private pixel areas. Im surprised this has been taken to court and not the Singles PC series in which you do get down and funky.
03-01-2006, 06:14 PM
starseeker

Well the version of the sims 2 sold in Britain has a rating of 7+, the expansion packs have a rating of 12+ and my sister couldn't buy them cos she looked too young (she's 12). My 8/9 year old brother plays it with no problems. I have seen worse on the front pages of national newspapers which are on the bottom shelf.
03-01-2006, 07:45 PM
MecaKane

I actually heard on a radio interview with Jack Thompson about what's wrong with The Sims. EA are conspiring with the pornography industry to create these perverted hacks. The proof? EA doesn't sue porno modders for breaking the lisence agreement.

Reguardless of the fact that if they did that they'd probably lose for not sueing any other modders who are just as guilty as the porn, or have to shut down every mod site, pretty much ruining their smurfing game.
03-01-2006, 09:12 PM
Shlup

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Originally Posted by Kentarou

:lol: Dude, that's awesome. Might you have a direct link? :tongue:

Found it!
03-01-2006, 09:24 PM
Shiny

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Originally Posted by ShlupQuack

Found it!

Tis a shame this society we live in. :nonono: Hey, why does the male sim have nipples and the female sim doesn't?
03-01-2006, 09:26 PM
TheAbominatrix

Female nipples are considered sexual, male nipples are not.
03-01-2006, 09:27 PM
Shiny

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Originally Posted by TheAbominatrix

Female nipples are considered sexual, male nipples are not.

Well that's not at all sexist. :rolleyes2 Why do these people care so much about a freakin game!
03-01-2006, 09:32 PM
TheAbominatrix

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Originally Posted by Shiny_Griever

Well that's not at all sexist. :rolleyes2 Why do these people care so much about a freakin game!

It's not even just in the game, it's our society as well. It's stupid, but, it's incredibly common for men to walk around shirtless, right? As their nipples arent considered sexual, it isnt offensive or considered hard-core nudity. But for girls to walk around with their shirts off, it's illegal. Not to mention the long line of men who would be following her.

Blame it on a long history of the objectification of women, I suppose.
03-01-2006, 09:37 PM
Shlup

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Originally Posted by Shiny_Griever

Why do these people care so much about a freakin game!

Who do you mean? I don't think it's the game; it's the principal of the thing. Jack Thompson is trying to control people's lives in these stupid ways, and we're not going to let him. Even if that means we have to drown him in a collective pool of our urine.
03-01-2006, 09:44 PM
Shiny

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Originally Posted by TheAbominatrix

It's not even just in the game, it's our society as well. It's stupid, but, it's incredibly common for men to walk around shirtless, right? As their nipples arent considered sexual, it isnt offensive or considered hard-core nudity. But for girls to walk around with their shirts off, it's illegal. Not to mention the long line of men who would be following her.

Blame it on a long history of the objectification of women, I suppose.

And yet female nipples are more natural anyway and people still have to freak out over, society is crap. It's also sexist. I wasn't allowed to go swimming shirtless if I wanted to, but my brother could walk around half-naked almost anywhere.

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Originally Posted by ShlupQuack

Even if that means we have to drown him in a collective pool of our urine.

But urine smells bad. :( What about drowning him in apple juice?
03-01-2006, 10:05 PM
Shlup

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Originally Posted by Shiny_Griever

And yet female nipples are more natural anyway and people still have to freak out over, society is crap. It's also sexist. I wasn't allowed to go swimming shirtless if I wanted to, but my brother could walk around half-naked almost anywhere.

What's your point? xD

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Originally Posted by Shiny_Griever

But urine smells bad. :( What about drowning him in apple juice?

No! It must be urine!
03-01-2006, 10:13 PM
Shiny

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Originally Posted by ShlupQuack

What's your point? xD

I want the sims to look like normal human beings instead of some mutated thing. But I guess my real point of that lil rant was becuase I want to walk around shirtless! :mad:

P.S. Urine is not as effective as human fecies(sp?).

Like I (and others) said before though this will probably blow over just like the Mortal Kombat Case several years ago.
03-01-2006, 11:04 PM
Jessweeee♪

There were a lot of downloadable child pornography for Sims1 like that one scene you could get for SA. I have both games but I haven't played sims 2 yet. i got it the month it came out too.

This is rediculous. It is supposed to depict real life. How are you going to make babies without sex?
You know what they want
(man comes home)
man: honey, i'm home!
woman: hello sweetie *pecks him on the cheek* how was your day at work?
man: just swell! i think that promotion will becoming any day now.
03-01-2006, 11:15 PM
Shlup

I've never seen any child pornography things available for the Sims 1. I saw someone ask for a mod to enable adult interactions with children and the guy got absolutely lynched by the rest of the community.
03-01-2006, 11:41 PM
ShunNakamura

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Originally Posted by ShlupQuack

I've never seen any child pornography things available for the Sims 1. I saw someone ask for a mod to enable adult interactions with children and the guy got absolutely lynched by the rest of the community.

I wonder why? :confused:

Kidding aside, it likely wouldn't be soooo bad if the children in the Sims 1 were teenagers that were like 16+ years of age... but well... they aren't.
03-02-2006, 12:58 AM
Giga Guess

I said it before, and I'll say it again. The man (Jack Thompson) is a wingnut. A persistent wingnut, but a wingnut nevertheless.
03-02-2006, 01:02 AM
KentaRawr!

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Originally Posted by Giga Guess

I said it before, and I'll say it again. The man (Jack Thompson) is a wingnut. A persistent wingnut, but a wingnut nevertheless.

A wingnut on a mission. :)
03-02-2006, 02:28 AM
Rikkugrl12

i have the game The Sims2 and i love that game.i didnt see anything.im stuck at the bio dome though.lol stupid thing."master the politics career" :-( :-) any way i dont think they should i like it
03-02-2006, 02:34 AM
Winter Nights

Anybody hear about that gaming group that sent him flowers for all the death threats that he recieves from certain gamers? He sent the flowers to Take Two with a letter advising them to tell their affiliates to stop the harassment.
03-02-2006, 03:01 AM
Madame Adequate

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Originally Posted by ShlupQuack

No! It must be urine!

I have far better people and things upon which to expend my urine! Jack Thompson can drown in a drool of his own incest-induced drool.

He amuses me, of course, because the government in the US can't even get reasonable-sounding laws like "People under 17 can't buy games rated for 17s and over" get struck down. He has no chance. He amuses me.

Anybody remember how hard P-A owned him with that donation to a charity business?
03-02-2006, 03:47 AM
Shiny

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Originally Posted by Autumn Rain

Anybody hear about that gaming group that sent him flowers for all the death threats that he recieves from certain gamers? He sent the flowers to Take Two with a letter advising them to tell their affiliates to stop the harassment.

Wow what a freaking fool. Trying to threatnen people by sending them flowers? This guy is really whacked.
03-02-2006, 04:14 AM
Raistlin

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Originally Posted by I'm my own MILF

Anybody remember how hard P-A owned him with that donation to a charity business?

Oh yes. I believe he called Gabe unrepeatable names.
03-02-2006, 01:53 PM
Giga Guess

"Unrepeatbale names?!" He should think of the children! Some impressionable child may have overheard him!
03-02-2006, 04:19 PM
KentaRawr!

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Originally Posted by Giga Guess

"Unrepeatbale names?!" He should think of the children! Some impressionable child may have overheard him!

You're right. I did. :cry: I am going to get GTA and learn how to gain access/learn how to use a rifle and kill cops. :(
03-02-2006, 05:45 PM
Raistlin

In case someone who lives under a rock doesn't know what we're talking about: http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2005/10/14

For the full story, read all the news posts starting here (with Gabe's post titled "Jack Thompson") and the following couple of days.