final fantasy 12 main character look like a girl?

I have no problem with Japanese art.. I mean I used to watch a lot of anime like Slayers.. Tenchi.. DBZ.. Golden Boy.. Ranma, and I playmy fair share of Japanese games. But geeze.

FF7 we had Cloud.. the ladies liked him but at that time I wouldn't have called him a pretty boy.(Although after they released the FF7 DVD..)

Then FF8 had Squall.. he was a little bit of a pretty boy but he was still kinda cool, and he looked like a man.

Then FF9 with Zidane, not my favorite but had no problems with him..

Then FFX with Tidus, he was a pretty boy all the way, but he atleast dressed ok.

The guy in this game.. he has way too much fruit in his basket. For crying out loud, somebody put a shirt on him too. :( I never shuddered from looking at a cast of characters from any game until I saw this one. Did they base the main character off of Maculy Culkan to the 10th fruit power or something?cause he looks like a girl

They should rename the series to Fairy Fantasy.:mad:

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Originally Posted by tenhitcombo

I have no problem with Japanese art.. I mean I used to watch a lot of anime like Slayers.. Tenchi.. DBZ.. Golden Boy.. Ranma, and I playmy fair share of Japanese games. But geeze.

FF7 we had Cloud.. the ladies liked him but at that time I wouldn't have called him a pretty boy.(Although after they released the FF7 DVD..)

Then FF8 had Squall.. he was a little bit of a pretty boy but he was still kinda cool, and he looked like a man.

Then FF9 with Zidane, not my favorite but had no problems with him..

Then FFX with Tidus, he was a pretty boy all the way, but he atleast dressed ok.

The guy in this game.. he has way too much fruit in his basket. For crying out loud, somebody put a shirt on him too. :( I never shuddered from looking at a cast of characters from any game until I saw this one. Did they base the main character off of Maculy Culkan to the 10th fruit power or something?cause he looks like a girl

They should rename the series to Fairy Fantasy.:mad:

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:chuckle: my thoughts exactly! I can't stand that guy! bleeeeeh!

Well,the country he lives in has a hot climate.So it's natural that he wears less clothes(altough it IS weird that he weras metal).Anyways,FF main characters usually have baby-faces,or so my friends tell me.IMO,Vaan is the most baby-faced main character of them ALL!

You think the guys look like girls in this game, you haven't seen Magna Carta :D

pretty boys=gay

Does it really matter if the main character looks effeminate? Is that going to bring down the gameplay at all? Or the story line?

I think the answer is no.

Not only is Vaan a baby face, his Japanese voice also sounds like a 13 years old. Something that pisses Japanese players off.

There has been a steady increase in effeminate main characters. It's worrying.

And yes, this can effect my enjoyment of a game. I like to connect with the characters whose lives I'm being drawn into / involved with. Effeminate / whining / loud main characters put me off greatly.

Vaan does not look like a girl, I've played it in Japanese and see it with my eyes, if he is, everyone will think Penelo is a lesbian. I would like to think Vayne as one.

Excellent. I was hoping that actually playing it would make him look better than the screens I've seen. :)

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Does it really matter if the main character looks effeminate? Is that going to bring down the gameplay at all? Or the story line?

I think the answer is no.

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My point exactly

im so sorry if im changing the subject, but do you think that the princess looks like yuna with blonde hair? i sure do!

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Originally Posted by tenhitcombo
FF7 we had Cloud.. the ladies liked him but at that time I wouldn't have called him a pretty boy.(Although after they released the FF7 DVD....)

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Oh, come on! Cloud is as pretty as the rest of them; he always has been. The only reason that he didn't appear so in the original game is because the graphics were too primitive to successfully render a pretty boy (or a "pretty" anything, for that matter) - so he ended up looking as crappy and blocky as the rest of the characters. But I think the fact that he made a convincing enough woman in drag to be chosen over Tifa and Aerith by Don Corneo tells us all we need to know about just how pretty he is/was.

It amazes me that people persist with the "Cloud is a manly badass" stuff, despite the fact that he is frequently put in deeply emasculating situations throughout the game - and often to humorous effect. It almost becomes a running joke. Admittedly, I have not finished the game yet; I am currently playing through it for the first time and have just reached the second disc. But, on the first disc alone, Cloud cross-dresses, takes part in a gay orgy/gang-rape, is christened "bubby" by a harem of gay men, and is shown to have been embarrassingly obsessed with Sephiroth in his youth (actually, infatuated might be a more accurate word; it was clearly a boyhood crush, IMO).

I think that Cloud is the only Final Fantasy protagonist whose sexuality is genuinely questionable. I don't think we'll get to see Vaan willingly jumping into a hot tub with ten gay bodybuilders (unfortunately). Nor do I think he'll have the option to "date" Basch (as Cloud did with Barret).

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I'm so sorry if I'm changing the subject, but do you think that the princess looks like Yuna with blonde hair? I sure do!

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Ashe? No - nothing at all. Her original design: http://www.ffxii.net/image.php?view=images/art/art5.jpg might have done, but she has undergone a complete facial reconstruction: http://www.ffxii.net/image.php?view=.../art/art45.jpg since then. Now the only thing they have in common is a similar hair length. Ashe has a very different body shape to Yuna; she is very pear-shaped. Her face is much harder and angrier than Yuna's, and quite European-looking, too. Specifically, she was designed to look French (and she does). She is also almost always scowling, as opposed to Yuna's more passive expressions. And, of course, they have completely different colouring and outfits. And that's not even going into their antipodal personalities....

Compare these attachments:

1. Ashe in FMV graphics.
2. Yuna in FMV graphics.

And you can see Ashe (the anti-Yuna) in action in this recent must-see trailer for the game, found on this page: http://www.gamerankings.com/itemrank...eviewid=681883 Fourth down from the top, picture of Fran next to it, says "trailer". A recommended download.

I feel that comparisons between Yuna and Ashe are lazy.

As for the Vaan thing: ho-hum.

Vaan looks like a girl no doubt but this Final Fantasy land of Bishounens. I mean with Tidus and Squall they both looked rather effeminate with Tidus being a lot more effeminate. And then if you look at Amanos art for the early games you will all see they are Bishounens. I mean why complain now. Especially DeathKnight who's favorite charachter is Tidus. I was once told good advice:
Dont throw stones in glass houses.

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It amazes me that people persist with the "Cloud is a manly badass" stuff, despite the fact that he is frequently put in deeply emasculating situations throughout the game - and often to humorous effect. It almost becomes a running joke. Admittedly, I have not finished the game yet; I am currently playing through it for the first time and have just reached the second disc. But, on the first disc alone, Cloud cross-dresses, takes part in a gay orgy/gang-rape, is christened "bubby" by a harem of gay men, and is shown to have been embarrassingly obsessed with Sephiroth in his youth (in fact, infatuated might be a more accurate word; it was clearly a boyhood crush, IMO).

I think that Cloud is the only Final Fantasy protagonist whose sexuality is genuinely questionable. I don't think we'll get to see Vaan willingly jumping into a hot tub with ten gay bodybuilders (unfortunately). Nor do I think he'll have the option to "date" Basch (as Cloud did with Barret).

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The wholeSephiroth crush thing is hero worship. I would say getting raped doest constitute homosexuality. A date with Barret maybe but during the date it appears Cloud doesnt know he is on a date with Barret until the attempted kiss. And while it can be argued Cloud is a bishy I would look like a woman if I were dressed in drag and I look veery rugged.

Yeah, there's alot of bishounens (pretty boys) in Japanese animes/games/etc. It's really nothing too new. And it really won't effect gameplay or story at all, so...yeah. I really don't think any of the FF male protaganists look like women at all, nor are homosexual.

I remember reading an E3 interview a long time ago where they asked Matsuno if Final Fantasy leads were becoming more feminine as time went on and he responded by saying something like only are they effeminite in the West and not other places so it's a cultural difference.

Anyway, I could find the link and prove it but I'm lazy so just assume I'm telling the truth or made the whole thing up.

Either way, Americans are just crazy with their manly images because society here is pretty warped in forcing you to like only certain things, such as boys can only like a certain kind of music and it's all rather limiting etc. etc. heyhey and all that.

Anyway, when you get older and grow out of your everythingphobia phase you'll look back and it won't even bother you. When I was I like 12 I thought Ramza looked like a fool and now I play FFT and appreciate the art style of it and really don't consider it much. Age has a way of making you all trippy... Now I'm only 20 now so I'm not trying to go arrogant old man on you all, but then again yeah I am.

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Yeah, there's alot of bishounens (pretty boys) in Japanese animes/games/etc. It's really nothing too new. And it really won't effect gameplay or story at all, so...yeah. I really don't think any of the FF male protaganists look like women at all, nor are homosexual.

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Well I do *points to icon/avatar* That's how men/guys are supposed to look:tonberry:

And yes, Cloud and Sephiroth are gay, they ruined FFVII.

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Yeah, there's alot of bishounens (pretty boys) in Japanese animes/games/etc. It's really nothing too new. And it really won't effect gameplay or story at all, so...yeah. I really don't think any of the FF male protaganists look like women at all, nor are homosexual.

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Well I do *points to icon/avatar* That's how men/guys are supposed to look:tonberry:

And yes, Cloud and Sephiroth are gay, they ruined FFVII.

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No its not and very few people look like that.

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Yeah, there's alot of bishounens (pretty boys) in Japanese animes/games/etc. It's really nothing too new. And it really won't effect gameplay or story at all, so...yeah. I really don't think any of the FF male protaganists look like women at all, nor are homosexual.

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Well I do *points to icon/avatar* That's how men/guys are supposed to look:tonberry:

And yes, Cloud and Sephiroth are gay, they ruined FFVII.

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Not right now.

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Yeah, there's alot of bishounens (pretty boys) in Japanese animes/games/etc. It's really nothing too new. And it really won't effect gameplay or story at all, so...yeah. I really don't think any of the FF male protaganists look like women at all, nor are homosexual.

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Well I do *points to icon/avatar* That's how men/guys are supposed to look:tonberry:

And yes, Cloud and Sephiroth are gay, they ruined FFVII.

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No its not and very few people look like that.

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Well (IMO) it is.

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Yeah, there's alot of bishounens (pretty boys) in Japanese animes/games/etc. It's really nothing too new. And it really won't effect gameplay or story at all, so...yeah. I really don't think any of the FF male protaganists look like women at all, nor are homosexual.

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Well I do *points to icon/avatar* That's how men/guys are supposed to look:tonberry:

And yes, Cloud and Sephiroth are gay, they ruined FFVII.

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Not right now.

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Yes right now

Death Knight who is your favorite FF charachter. Tidus right?

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Death Knight who is your favorite FF charachter. Tidus right?

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No, Yuna, THEN Tidus. And if you dare say Tidus looks like a girl then you're saying 50% of caucasians look like girls :chuckle:

I do think 50% of white folks look like girls.

50% of all caucasians look like girls then. :cat:

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I do think 50% of white folks look like girls.

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50% of white males****:tonberry:

waht is ****?

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waht is ****?

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emphasizing the statement, you can ignore the "****" if you want.

All I can hope is that the males become more lady-like until you can't tell the difference... For when we all look like the same Gender the world will finally be at peace. Here Here to Gender Indifference. Someday when Wal-Mart is Emporer of All we won't have to think for ourselves anymore, so it's cool.

Don't worry it all made sense to me that's all that matters *cough*

hardly anyone cares. it makes barely any difference and besides on FFX-2 3 people the first time they saw paine they said "whos he?" but no one realy minds. i think all of the FF main cast are good and dont see anything wrong with their appearance.

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hardly anyone cares. it makes barely any difference and besides on FFX-2 3 people the first time they saw paine they said "whos he?" but no one realy minds. i think all of the FF main cast are good and dont see anything wrong with their appearance.

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I completely agree... Though except that part about Paine, I never thought she was as manly as others did. Anyone would look like a man next to super-girl Rikku.

We sure do have high expectations these days. Character models in games are all such hot people and all anyone can do is complain. I wonder how you would feel if they made a character model that looked just like you... Would others make fun of it :O

They should make Vaan a 400-pound long-haired hippie just to piss everybody off ;)

wow, ashe has changed ... your right ... she doesnt look like yuna at all now ... and yes, she doesnt even look japanise , very european ... i like it!

Let's play the game and then judge the character, okay? Sorry you didn't like the design, I'm sure Yoshida would be utterly distressed if he knew that you disapproved. Anyway, if you feel the need to express bigotry against videogame characters you can do it on another message board.