Red Mage party?

Alright, next time I restart this game, I'd probably try out this Red Mage x 4 party.
However, I'd always thought this party to have a somewhat bad reputation, the arguments going "they will semi-suck in everything!" and the like; but still, the Walkthrough on this site heavily recommends this party, because it constantly goes "buy everyone the best equipment and the best spells, before heading for Town X and getting the best buyable spells in the game for everyone, which will easen your struggle for higher HP, MP, Strength, Agility, Soul and Intelligence for all your chars" and so on. :rolleyes2

What do you think of this party?
Could it be a good idea to max all chars in every possible aspect?

Meh. I'd find it pretty boring, but to each his own.

I commend you on embracing the Red Mage way of life. Remember : Buff and Debuff spells only, use nothing but Swords (absolutely no exceptions) and never ever wear Genji Gear. Ever.

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Originally Posted by Maxx Power

Buff and Debuff spells

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What? :confused:

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Originally Posted by DarkLadyNyara

Meh. I'd find it pretty boring, but to each his own.

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I agree. It's best to give a specific trait to your party

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Originally Posted by Peter_20

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Originally Posted by Maxx Power

Buff and Debuff spells

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What? :confused:

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Buff = Any spell that enhances your characters. E.g. "Blink" would be a Buff spell since it raises your Evasion.

Debuff = Any spell that dehances your target E.g. "Blind" would be a Debuff spell since it lower's an enemies accuracy.

Ew *cringe*

Look, the reason the walkthrough on the site reccomends it is because it was written when not very much was known about the game. Buying "the best equipment" isn't always the best idea, just for the reason that a lot of armor lowers agility which makes you take more damage in the end. Also, swords + magic = gimped magic. If you wanna do it, go for it, just realize what you're getting yourself into.

It entirely depends on what version of the game he's playing. If it's NES or Origins, then of course the "best" equipment is going to gimp him back into the stoneage. But I assume automatically anyone playing FF2 these days is doing so through DoS, in which case weapons/armour have absolutely no bareing on your magical ability.

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Originally Posted by Maxx Power

It entirely depends on what version of the game he's playing. If it's NES or Origins, then of course the "best" equipment is going to gimp him back into the stoneage. But I assume automatically anyone playing FF2 these days is doing so through DoS, in which case weapons/armour have absolutely no bareing on your magical ability.

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Actually, I've used the combos Sword/White Magic and Bow/Black Magic for quite a while now, and those chars (Firion and Maria) rock in both those aspects; so, honestly, I don't really see whence all this "gimped" stuff comes from.

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Originally Posted by Maxx Power

I assume automatically anyone playing FF2 these days is doing so through DoS, in which case weapons/armour have absolutely no bareing on your magical ability.

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Oh? You've compared the damage? That's good to know, 'cause I don't have anywhere near as much info on DoS

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Originally Posted by DJZen

Oh? You've compared the damage? That's good to know, 'cause I don't have anywhere near as much info on DoS

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Yeah I remember we had a discussion a while back about DoS' monster stats. You believed that they were lowered, whereas they're the same. For future reference the gamefaqs entry on the game has quite a lot of information, including damage formula, stat gaining formula and equipment bonuses/penalty. Note that the whole Agility/Evasion thing is still present in DoS, even if the stat reduction system isn't.

Wow, it so got Easytyped...

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Originally Posted by DJZen

Wow, it so got Easytyped...

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If FF2 got Easytyped, FF1 got YouCanCompleteItWithNoArmsAndCateractstyped.

the thing about red mages is i dont particularly care if they dont rear the strongest fighters or if when you attack you lower your intellegance after each round ect, i have a red mage team who have well rounded stats and can kill nearly every monster in one hit but also have good magic and magic defense to fall back on the team requires more training but it can work unbeleivably well if you know what your doing so i say go for it and if you need any help or advice on making it work then you can ask me seen as im one ov the only ones who supports this system.;) :D

I find a party of Red Mages annoying just because you need to level up everyone in so many areas. Raising a few spells for a mage is already tough, raising weapons and spells for every character takes even longer.

Perfect sense, Sephiroth1999AD.

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth1999AD

I find a party of Red Mages annoying just because you need to level up everyone in so many areas. Raising a few spells for a mage is already tough, raising weapons and spells for every character takes even longer.

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Add raising stats to that mix and it's already a pain in the butt

Hey Maxx...why no Genji Armor? Just wonderin - Stat reduction? - And I read somwhere on here that the select/deselect bug was fixed for DoS - Is that true? I wouldn't want to use it since I see it as cheating, but I was just wondering.

I think its fixed for the DoS version.

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Originally Posted by Hayabusa

Hey Maxx...why no Genji Armor? Just wonderin - Stat reduction? - And I read somwhere on here that the select/deselect bug was fixed for DoS - Is that true? I wouldn't want to use it since I see it as cheating, but I was just wondering.

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Genji equipment gives you a good defence, but it will totally ruin your evade, spirit/soul, intelligence and magic defence stats. Action-cancel bug has been fixed in DoS, although both weapons and spell level up a lot faster. It only takes you 3-5 swings or casts to raise a weapon or spell from level 1 to level 2.

i have the perfect solution especially for the PS version

DONT PLAY IT!!! Such a terrible, terrible game trying to increase stats. DoS version is good though.

Just because it makes you think doesn't make it terrible.

Word.

that... may work :)


because... all you need to complete the game of FFXI is a party of 4 red mages.

so yeah, hmmm. *ponders*

Oh, you need a lot more than 4 red mages to beat FFXI...

My official stance remains dead set against red mage usage in this game. Even if swords no longer gimp your magic stats, the spread of spells you train will. This translates to spending more time training to get the same results. As a co-worker of mine once said, "don't do it to yaself!"

I personally have Firion and Maria as Red Mages, while Gus is a white mage with low level black magic(I don't consider this a Red Mage). It is a very difficult thing to do, but I think it is worth the effort, because I can take out most of the monsters with a single sword stroke, and adversly have the same result with magic. I personally love the Red Mage class in general anyways, so I guess it makes me a bit biased. But I think, if you want a challenge, go for a full Red Mage party.