Which guitarist is better?
I voted Marty Friedman.
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Which guitarist is better?
I voted Marty Friedman.
I generally don't like comparing guitarists since they are all great in their own way, but since Im bored and Marty Friedman has more classical training Ill vote him.
who is Marty Friedman??? which band is he in?
Marty Friedman is mostly known for being in Megadeth, but he also had a Classical inspired Metal Duo with Jason Becker known as Cacophony which produced albums likes Speed Metal Symphony. Also very good solo stuff. Check him out.
Ooh! damn his name sounded so familiar. Now I remember. Marty kills Kerry when it comes to new more melodic riffs and solos. 90% of Kerry King's solos sound the same; same structure, lenght, and SOUND.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bad Karma
So you're saying that the solo in Angel of Death is the same solo used in his other songs? I don't hear that. I like both these guys a hell of alot. Martin wins but when it comes to constructing destructive and explosive speed solos King wins the gold.
No Kerry King's solos do NOT sound the same, he does use a structure, Listen to Kerry's solo on "War Ensemble" and "Die By the sword" You'll see that he actually is a pretty amazing soloist.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeathKnight
I said 90%.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bladen
A pretty speedy one too. He must have powerful arm muscles to be able to go that fast. Even live nowadays he's a fast demon. Martin cannot get that fast but he's brilliant the way he is. King and Friedman are not very similar to compare though.
That's the GREAT thing 'bout Kirk Hammett and Dave Mustaine, they can both do fast and melodic solos.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bladen
Didn't I say 90%??? Slayer's 1st album is way different than the others, so it's easy to pick out a solo from that album that's different fromt he rest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Venom
I may have exaggerated with the 90%, but ALOT of his solos sound the same.
PS: And I've listened to both of those songs, just letting you know.
What do they have to do with this thread? THis is Friedman and King's battle. No interference, not til the next time anyway. When it comes to speed it has to be King but he adds his own thing to stop from being just plain noise.
Kerry King DOES do melodic solo's.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeathKnight
Such as "War Ensemble" "Mandatory Suicide" "Spirit in black"
Infact Kerry King does some coolwhen he tunes his guitar down a whole step.
Yeah, just 200x faster then that of those guys. When he shreds his guitar sets alight, that's how fast and melodic King can do. How do you think he lost his hair? It caught fire during one of his fastest solos ever.
He attempts them, but to compare them to the ones Kirk Hammett and Dave Mustaine have made is not fair. Marty Friedman pwns Kerry King when it comes to melodic solos and riffs.Quote:
Originally Posted by VenomKerry King DOES do melodic solo's.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeathKnight
Such as "War Ensemble" "Mandatory Suicide" "Spirit in black"
Infact Kerry King does some cool
How come Marty's didnt fall out yet?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bladen
Marty Friedman can do anything on guitar, Him and Mustaine should team up again.
No, Kerry King plays as well as mustaine, Trust me I know what the smurf I'm talking about, I play the smurfing guitar. The Styles are MUCH different and therefore sound different.Quote:
He attempts them, but to compare them to the ones Kirk Hammett and Dave Mustaine have made is not fair. Marty Friedman pwns Kerry King when it comes to melodic solos and riffs.
So do I, my friend. The number of great solos Kerry King has done COMPARED to Dave Mustaine, Kirk Hammet, or Marty Friedman is sad. It comes down to taste, but if we have a REAL poll in a REAL THRASH METAL forum, you'd see who the votes will go to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Venom
This is King vs Friedman, DK. Marty Friedman cannot match King in speed though. The thing about King's hair incident is actually true!! Kirk, Dave and Marty still have their hair, so it's proof they cannot go that fast. Unless they're fireproof that is. Venom has a point.
King is 50x faster the Freeman, that's why. Seriously I haven't seen a guy go faster then King at full speed yet. Demons man, they're gonna take us over. Marty should be a traveling mercenery using his guitar rifs as his weapon, that would kickass but then again King would destroy anything in his way with those arms of his. Oh bugger, I see where this is going... Bye.
Kerry King has the same amount of good solo's as Marty does, they sound much different though in terms of what they're playing.
I AM! talking 'bout Kerry King and Friedman :irked:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bladen
Speed is BARELY what makes a thrash metal song great. If that was true, Slayer would be kicking MegadetH's and MetallicA's asses left to right, but we all know that's not true:D :up:
I give it to him, he's fast, but he wastes that fastness in riffs that aren't great. I'd go with James Hetfield's speed ANYDAY. But yeah, between Friedman and King, King wins in speed, but I much rather preffer melody and ORIGINALITY.
Speed is part of what Thrash metal is. If you're complaining about it, it's better if you don't go to fast bands. Alot of people here like the fast and heavy stuff, I'm one.
What does Hetfield have to do with this battle anyway? Geez, you're getting me confused as hell man. This is King vs Friedman, ok, poor Marty is getting no attention anymore.
Kerry King and Marty Friedman should team up.:love:
Or at least do a side project
They wouldn't do well, for one thing, Kerry would overpower Marty with the power and speed of his rifs. Good idea though.
Well all Marty would have to do to match Kerry Is turn his guitar one whole step down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bladen
But where's the fun if Kerry wouldn't be at his best?
Calm down you three n.n, but since there's no mustaine here... I'll go with king, sorry fried :rolleyes:
Is part of thrash, but it's NOT what makes thrash great. It may work for Slayer, but for the other REAL thrash bands: Anthrax, MegadetH, MetallicA it's just a novelty, it's good to have some fast songs, but overdoing it just makes the album sound like it's all 3 minute fillers. I also hate bands who play so fast that their songs end at the 3 minute mark, that's BO-RING. There's MUCH MORE to metal than playing fast. PanterA's a great example.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bladen
Oh and Friedman's not poor, he's winning the poll thingy.
Pantera are too slow for my liking. You see, the Thrash Metal genre is basically the speed styles of hardcore punk music, when it comes to true thrash metal it has to be KIng. He's good at being a thrash metal guitarist, but Friedman isn't fast enough to do well in Thrash Metal. The whole point of Thrash Metal is that it be a more thrash/speed like version of heavy metal with alot of traits from punk music. You see if you compare Slayer to Deep Purple there is an obvious speed difference. Thrash and Heavy are both different genres.
If you want to get super, uber, ultrasonic fast then you got Black, death, speed and power metal. Slayer aren't as fast as Speed, death or power but I would put them in Thrash. That's why they're known as one of the big 4 of Thrash. King is good at what he does, insane melodic speeds while Friedman is awesome with his melodic styles. That's what I was saying before. King is much faster then Friedman, but Friedman is more melodic. They both have their awesome traits which suit the band they're in. They're both pretty amazing. Playing Fast is the point in Thrash btw.
So do you get my point? I'm just defining and explaining what Thrash Metal all together is. Just to clear things up for anyone wondering, not just you DK. So don't take this as an argument ok. Don't want to start another one of them now.
Now that I got that point across lets all have some cookies while we see the speed haters on this forum make Friedman take the gold.
I think King is boring and horribly overrated. His solos generally only seem to be that fast because he's playing chromatically e.g. he's not playing in any scale or pattern, he's just hitting random notes at high speed. I think that's a piss poor way to write music. Granted, his solos don't sound as horrible as they could considering he's just wanking random frets, but he's really not one of my favourite guitarists at all. That other guitarist's solos aren't too bad bad though, Hanneman is it? Not really a fan of Slayer.
Friedman is easily one of my favourite guitarists of all time, I'd be shocked if he was actually incapable of matching speed with King because his technique and sense of melody are outstanding, and you have to be pretty damn fast to keep up with Jason Becker. His solos in Megadeth were awesome, and he has a fantastic ear for a thrash solo that doesn't go into random pentatonic noodling (Hammett, Mustaine). Everything is timed so well it's unreal.
Friedman wins hands down, in my opinion, and I think he's more than capable of playing a hell of a lot faster than King.
Yeah, Jef Hanneman is alot better then Kerry King. But seriously I don't think Friedman could get as fast as King. If King does randomly play then how does he manage to keep playing the same solos and rifs live?
Friedman because his solos actually sound smurfing good, and not like a cat being squeezed through a smurfing meat processor.
He is also a generally more talented guitarist than that hack that is King.
CH, you're good at defining the sub genres of metal, right? Explain the basis of Thrash Metal, I think I mucked up on mine. Sure King is pretty crap, but he does kick alot of ass at speeds, but then again Jef Hanneman kills him. Always prefered good ol' Jef to Kerry.
Jef is always overshadowed by King. I haven't heard much of Friedman's works to be honest. Back to the point in defining thrash, if speed is not the main factor of Thrash Metal, then is general Thrash Metal just normal Heavy Metal? Thrash may not be as fast or dark as black or death but the thrashy speeds is what makes Thrash, thrash.
I know I'm repeating myself, but King is good at what he does best, shredding and going to light speeds on his guitar while Friedman is extremely melodic, not extremely fast but he should try it out. If you can make sense of this post then you guys must be pretty smart. There's worse guitarists then King out there and better guitarists then Friedman too.
Thrash metal is a combination of old school Hardcore Punk with Classic Heavy Metal, early thrash bands took the two emerging styles merged them added a healthy dose of speed and went from there. One word defines the instruments in thrash "fast", Riffs are sets of fast chords, drums are played in double bass rolls and fast snare reliant blasts, bass is often limited to fast plucking of the top two strings. Vocals are usually intense but clean and lack vibrato.
I think we got the thread killed, CH. Hmmm...
Err... King's beard is mad, Friedman has more hair... Damn.