I'm never eating at KFC again. I knew that is was out of hand, but not to this extend. ><
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I'm never eating at KFC again. I knew that is was out of hand, but not to this extend. ><
Im just glad chickens havent evolved to exact thier revenge
I had KFC for dinner last night. ^_^
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I am never eating there again. I couldn't even watch after the debeaking part, I started crying. Thank you for posting that, Chris. Never eating there again.
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That was awful. I couldn't get through the end because how awful this was, and I just started crying(kinda like what Rye said). I saw this on the news once and thought "Oh, oh well. It can't be that bad." Well, now I know, and I'm never going to KFC again.
KFC already sucked ass as it is, I guess now they kinda hit a rock bottom.
I'm pretty sure if it's that awful here where I am the RSPCA would be onto them by now. I don't know if that goes on here or not though.
Seeing stuff like this makes me so happy that I haven't eaten KFC (or any other meat product) in nearly two years. :( That was horrible.
This has been going on for ages, Ive seen loads of this videos, all the same. Nothing is going to change, even if we stop eating at KFC. And its not just KFC, what Bernard matthews do to there Turkeys is pretty much the same, but all of there Turkeys are awake. In a video I saw in an RS lesson, the machine that stunned the Turkeys had broke, and no one was doing anything about it, so the Turkeys died by bleeding to death. Not very nice.
Although this is all very wrong, the people fighting against animal cruelty are far from good, they are horrid people too, and I'd rather be working for KFC than work for them. They go very far, even resorting to attacking peoples familys etc.
Its something I turn a blind eye too, just pretend like this dosent happen, I know it may be childish, but its all we can do.
That sucks... :mad:
now im glad ive never eaten there before and now i never will.
i hope kfc burns in hell.
So you all thought chicken meat grew on trees, eh?
I'm glad there's no KFC in Italy.
I've seen that before, it's disgusting. Luckily I don't eat fast food at all, anyway.
Glad I'm not a chicken.
I rarely eat there, the stuff is really fatty anyway.
There's nothing like the feeling of pure grease pouring out of your face, eh?
Nothing wrong with killing chickens for food, but the cruelity shown on the video is unnecesary.Quote:
Originally Posted by Levian
I didn't eat at KFC to begin with. It's yucky.
Yeah the debeaking is sad but..... Have you ever tried catching a freaking chicken? If you miss you're peaked to death by the rest of them. NOT kidding. The only way to catch a chicken and keep them from hurting you is, to hold them up side down. Those "Rough" handlers weren't roughly handling them that's chickens trying to escape. I know it's sad to see something like that but thats how the world goes, get over it.
Live on a ranch with chickens you might pick up a couple things.
They're chichkens, who cares.
Yeah, because that's so much worse than smurfing eating the chicken.
This is intensive farming guys. This is very much a part of the modern world. If it wasn't for this cruelty then we wouldn't have a fraction of the food necessary to feed everyone currently alive in the Western World. If we were to revert to "standard" farming methods we would be looking at global starvation within ten years. It's the price we pay for the lifestyle we have. Unless you all stop buying food from supermarkets and start growing your own you're a part of this. So unless you're self-sufficient or a veggie, you don't have much say in the matter quite frankly.
How else are they going to do it?
I kind of agree with this. In the end, the chickens die and you eat their corpses. Sure, it's horrible to keep them in such conditions, but it isn't all that much of a big deal, considering that in the end they die to feed you, is it?Quote:
Originally Posted by theundeadhero
That pretty much sums up my feelings on this matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maxx Power
These kinds of videos piss me off. You got these liberals complaining about what goes on in factories but you got countless of even more excruciating problems in the world and all you're thinking is a goddamn chicken. Give me a smurfing break.
I seen about 10 seconds into that documentry, and had to switch it off. :whimper:
As a vegeterian i am pleased with your progress. I myself didnt watch the video, i read these comemnts first and have decided against it, poor chickinses :choc:
So we should ignore every problem there is unless it's considered to be the worst problem in the world? The job of an animal protection society is to protect animals, so yeah, their going to care about Chickens. Sorting out other problems that aren't related to Animal protection is not their job. Animal charities should not stop working because somebody considers other problems to be more important.Quote:
Originally Posted by Being Retarded
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Originally Posted by Being Retarded
Seriously, there's bigger problems than chickens in the world. And it's not like this is exclusive to KFC. Get chicken from the store? Chances are its head was put through a hole cut in the bottom of a bucket and cut off by a butcher's knife. And not by some big, ugly corporate farmer. It happens. Get over it.
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those poor darling chickens.
edit: McDonalds all the way.
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Originally Posted by Venom
What's strange is that she looks like the babysitter from Malcolm in the Middle.
But not minding that, that's disturbing. I've heard this stuff before, but never actually watched it. It's really... disturbing. I'm vegetarian anyway, though, so it hasn't made me feel any different than before.
It isn't just KFC, though. A lot of places. McDonalds and stuff, except with cows as well. Even Asda (so you have to watch which chickens you buy from there. Not the ones with marks). People really can be bastards. They do it to other humans if they get a profit.
That's because she was the baby sitter on Malcom in the Middle. Actresses act. It's really not all that strange. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by RPJesus
Then how come a huge fraction of the food in the western world is wasted and the eastern world has huge numbers of starving people?Quote:
Originally Posted by Maxx Power
whgat's the point of this thread, can you even give reason behind it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris
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Originally Posted by Rye
ew...I feel...dirty.
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Originally Posted by Levian
Yeah, but that doesn't mean you have to treat the animals liek that first. They do that to save money and effort, not because it's the only way.
I went to a Safari place in france. They had all the different animals living in something like their natural habitats. You could see and goggle at them all. And then, afterwards, you could buy their meat in the giftshop.
And people think it's worse, but that's really quite a good thing. I'd might not mind eating them if they were treated that well.
It's just eating them and ignoring the horrible ways they're kept that's bad.
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Originally Posted by Levian
You know, I've got chickens at home, but they've got plenty of space to run around, they still have their beak and legs and when they die to give me something to eat, they don't do it like that.
Clearly untrue, given that farming crops is far more effective than farming meat is. Meat isn't remotely necessary anymore, given our current vitamin supplements and ability to transport crops and suchlike.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maxx Power
I enjoy the taste of suffering, though, so I've no problem with eating the stuff.
Chickens ranks somewhere between cruelty towards dogs and cruelty towards frogs. I don't lose any sleep over it.
But dogs are one of our most beloved pets and frogs are just plain awesome; chickens are much lower than either of those.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yamaneko
Vegetarians don't need to take supplements. There is no required nutrient in meat that you can't obtain from a vegetarian diet.Quote:
Originally Posted by I'm my own MILF
No, but you have to consume larger amounts to absorb the daily proteins you need. Most people couldn't eat that much so they take supplements.
I really don't understand the logic in this. If it's going to die and be eaten anyway, why does it matter how it dies? (If it's even being tortured in the first place.) If something has a lower intelligence then humans, then I really don't see the point.
Besides, I like Twisters.
That's not true. Vegetarian meat substitutes are not lacking in protein. Soya beans in particular are a very good source of protein.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yamaneko
that was very hard to watch
I know! I mean, it's not the worst of your problems. Why, people are dying in Iraq and those damn liberals are complaining about how I brutally rape 10 year olds, what idiots! Well I'm off to go senselessly slaughter some Jews, but don't worry, I'm not the worst of your problems! Do me a favor though, when some one is alienated by senseless slaughter and rape, do whine about other problems. Even if you aren't alienated I'm sure empathy for what's obviously disturbed them isn't necessary.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hsu
Oh, I thought it was pretty obvious? Everybody else seem to grasp the idea behind it. Awareness! Yeah, that's a pretty good reason don't you think so?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nick Schovitz
Anyways, yes the actress/ narrator is Broadway legend, Bea Arthur.
I never liked KFC anyway. But I LOVE Popeyes! :)
Horrible! Glad i havent gone their in forever.
That's what I had for dinner last night. :love: @ Twisters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeromus_X
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Originally Posted by Anaisa
too true i dont take any additional vitamen suppliments, i just eat a balanced diet and make sure i get the vitamins i need through that :choc:
I became a strict vegetarian 5 years ago after seeing a program much like that. I never knew about de-beaking though. O_O I knew about the rest, how they live in a crowded pen, on top of each other, their legs eroded away cause their made to live in their own flith. It's awful. :(
I'm not moved by it all. I suppose worse things can happen, like if that happened to dogs or something. :/
Can't say i was too moved by it either.
Sure, if it was up to me, I'd fix a few things, like having a lighter chichen-density, and avoid that debeaking. I'd also be sure to kill them off in a matter of seconds. And I've never been a fan of growth-inducing hormones. Sure, the food would become twice as expensive because of this, but I'm sure us healthy westerners could afford that, right?
I just have too much else on my mind to be caught up in this, and there's far worse things going on when it comes to unethical treatment of animals. Like people torturing them just for fun and recreation. I'm generally against killing animals for other reasons than food and self defence.
Injustice is injustice. Just because there are worse things going on doesn't mean you get to ignore stuff like this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Being Retarded
It's a chicken for christssakes. It means nothing to me other than humans are on top of the food chain than a chicken. If you want to be an egotistical little bitch by going on strike against KFC because of how they process chicken food, that's your problem. It does nothing to me.
Steps could be taken to minimize the suffering of the chicken, but those steps aren't being taken. Yeah, it is just a chicken, but it doesn't have to suffer the way that it is. The only reason it does suffer is because KFC is more concerned with money than they are morality. I don't care if they kill a few chickens, but seriously, what reason is there to torture chickens? None.
The funny thing is, people who are saying they'll never eat at KFC again are probably only saying this because they are seeing what is happening behind the scenes, and probably never thought that the chicken they ate was alive at one point (maybe I'm wrong on that last part). Also, it's PETA's video, right? That should say something right there.
"an egotistical little bitch"? Care to explain how protesting chicken makes anyone egotistical? I like your argument, because by your logic I could eat my brother and it'd mean nothing but I am "on top of the food chain than" my brother.Quote:
Originally Posted by Being Retarded
Egotistical little bitch because the people in my mind who are protesting and striking against KFC for the 'goodness and moralities of the chicken' are self-proclaiming that they are better people by NOT eating KFC and protecting the chickens than the people who continue to eat there. You could pull the argument by "well how do you know that?" Because history repeats itself; ever see a vegetarian who is against all meat slaughter and tries to force their moralities against others? They are egotistical little bitches.
Actually, my arguement still stands, because unlike you and your brother, the same species, a chicken and a human are in no ways relevent.
No one in this thread has said they were better than you (but the guilty dog does bark). You're just being defensive. In your mind is right, you have this all played out don't you? No one is forcing their moralities on you, they're expressing their personal disgust for this. It's obvious they care about chickens and you don't. But why the name-calling? Let's just recap what everyone in this thread who has said they weren't eating KFC is in your head:Quote:
Originally Posted by Being Retarded
1. Liberal
2. Egotistical
3. Bitches
4. Self-proclaiming they are better than you
5. Doomed to becoming vegeterians who will of course try to make you become vegeterian also.
Personally, I know a lot of vegeterians who I honestly don't think haven't tried to make you become vegeterian. But your true fear of being prosecuted for eating meat is out in the open now, isn't it?
Of course they're proclaiming that. I don't see how saying "I don't eat meat and I don't support a company which needlessly tortures animals to save a few bucks." isn't a moral statement. I also don't see how anybody can deny that someone stating as much is, if they adhere to it, a better person than someone like me who just plain doesn't care.Quote:
Originally Posted by Being Retarded
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Originally Posted by Anaisa
By this, I meant that with the ability to get things to where they are needed (Rather than each geographical area being limited to whatever grows there.) AND vitamin supplements to pick up the slack/step in if crops fail/be used if someone doesn't like a food, meat is unnecessary. If we couldn't move food around, and if we didn't have vitamin supplements instead of that, vegetarianism would be a more difficult proposition.Quote:
Originally Posted by Me
I don't know what happens to the chickens, but its delicious.:D God put animals on earth to feed man(and women) so i can live with it.
Let's discuss chickens and KFC without pulling religion into it...
Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZeZipster
I don't get it why people get uncomfortable when i talk about God lol. Also KFC was never that great etiher. Churchs chicken is like 10 times better.
No one is getting uncomfortable. Quit flattering yourself. I personally just don't like you speaking for God, and you should be happy Mirage asked you nicely to keep your faith out of this. I don't remember Jesus ever saying anything about putting chickens on this planet for an assembly-line slaughterhouse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jackpot
“Eat whatever is sold in the meat market without raising any questions on the ground of conscience. For ‘the earth is the Lord’s and everything in it.’”Quote:
Originally Posted by ZeZipster
(1 Corinthians 10:25-26)
And he is perfectly within his rights to base his considerations on the matter on his religious views. What the hell is someone going to base their ethics on, a viewpoint they don't agree with?
A chicken is an animal, also many other animals are killed like this cows,fish, and others. Here's a statement from some website i looked at.
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Perhaps even worse are those who twist biblical truths to support manmade philosophies. Yet, that is exactly what PETA has done with it’s new campaign promoting: "Jesus was a Vegetarian, Show respect for God’s creatures - follow Him." The group has erected billboards with that message, and it has created an entire Internet web site dedicated to perverting Jesus and biblical doctrine in the name of animal rights. This web site"proves" that Jesus ate no meat (including fish), that he disapproved of killing animals, that God did not give man dominion over animals, and that man must live at peace with animals.
If someone said, "Look, I don’t believe in God or the Bible. I’ve just decided for myself that killing animals is wrong," I could accept that. Even though it’s dead wrong, at least it’s an honest statement. But to twist the Bible to brainwash people and promote a twisted agenda? That’s the ultimate perversion - one that demands a response.
That's mean.
Im eating there again and you whats worse than seeing a chicken die is a pig die I saw them slauhter them its okay its a cycle.......
the weak is food for the strong and the weaker are food for the weak.
Humans-->Chickens--->worms
the only problem is that people dont care about endangered animals they kill em and they killing animals just like how thay killed all the buffalo and yes I love all animals.
Yeah, thats real pure-hearted... :rolleyes2Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Nosebleed
Chickens feel pain. What if some other greater race than us were to inhabit the world? They would say "They're just Humans." Yeah, we feel pain just like chickens do. There are other things that live other than us, Mr. Nosebleed.
that is true cause where I am there are a hell lotta beggars and poor starving peopleQuote:
Originally Posted by rubah
What's with the "I cried out loud with mirth and merriment" everyone is saying o_O;; Doesn't seem like it'd be a common sentence... XD first Perola, now Jackpot... cracked me up when I first heard it xD
Anyway about chickens... ;P I didn't watch the video after reading some comments, I totally freak out over this pain-filled stuff. I don't think of myself as an egotistical little bitch, but I do support not torturing animals needlessly, even if they are going to be used for food. I really don't see what people are trying to say when they say, "It's just a chicken, it's sub-human so it doesn't matter." So a question to them: Do you feel the same way about torturing puppies and kittens?
I have no guilt, I never eat at KFC and I am proud to say that, especially after seeing this video. I am not a vegetarien, I just HATE KFC, not just the food but also the asylem seekers who work there who cant speak a damned word of English!!! I think the workers should be punnished!
Try typing lol with a period after it. :p lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by ^^~*M0oNLigHt~Rac00n*~<3
Anyway, as for this thing, well, that is pretty bad. Doesn't mean I won't eat at KFC, but it does suck for the chickens.
As a side note, Bea Arthur scares me.
*sigh*
I can't believe you are still ranting about this people...
When they said "pushing your morals" they mean when you protest and say people shouldn't do something, someone is going to assume you mean that they shouldn't do it and you're talking directly to them. It's human nature to jump to conclusions. Same as it's a chickens nature to be eaten.
Now don't go "OMG it is not thier nature to be eaten" think about it. If we weren't here what would eat a chicken? Nearly everything. I know my dogs love to chase chickens about and if i wasn't there we'd have some dead chickens lying around.
I agree that some of the way they treat the chickens is cruel but how would you do it differently besides fixing the cruel parts? Inject them with something to kill them without hurting them but risk feeding everyone contminated meat? Not eating them? That would be "pushing your morals".
Tell me how could you go about it?
It is not a chicken's nature to be eaten. You can't have a "nature" to be eaten, and definitely not in the same way as it is "human nature to jump to conclusions." :| It is every living creature's "nature" to live.
Survival of the fittest, you know. Sure, I would hate it if such a thing happened, but I don't think they would be to blame, they're just trying to survive anyway :p. And I'm sure they would find that cows are much easier to farm than humans.Quote:
Originally Posted by OdinDragoon
I'm still not 100% sure that this isn't in EoEO
It's far more egotistical to think that because your able to kill an animal an eat it, then it's ok to do so. There is nothing egotistical about thinking that animals deserve to be treated with respect, quite the opposite. What's egotistical is thinking that every other life form is below your own species.Quote:
Originally Posted by Being Retarded
His right to free speech has nothing to do with this. Just because he has 'the right' does not mean that he is in 'the right'.Quote:
And he is perfectly within his rights to base his considerations on the matter on his religious views. What the hell is someone going to base their ethics on, a viewpoint they don't agree with?
That's cruel, there's just one thing, why would KFC do that? Are they really that dumb as to torture chickens, and then not try and stop PETA (the dumbest organisation ever) to show a video about what they're doing? That just doesn't make sense. Yes, that was cruel, but why would they do that? Why would KFC debeak chickens? And boil them to remove feathers, and slit their throats? It just doesn't make sense. And how come I've only heard of that now, you'd think if it was that bad it would of been stopped right away by other animal protection agencies, right? That video was shown on 22/02/06. 3 months later, still KFC! No-one listens to PETA. They're smurfed in the head. And KFC does NOT do that. It doesn't make sense.
And, think PETA's A LOT WORSE than KFC.
PETA is not "the dumbest organization ever". They do the job their supposed to be doing well. KFC obviously didn't make the video. Have you ever heard of undercover footage? That's what that is. KFC doesn't do that? An how do you know? People do listen to PETA, you might want to do some research on what PETA has acheived before you comment that nobody listens to them. It doesn't make sense that a corporation that's business is based on the killing and eating of Chickens, doesn't care for their welfare? Shutting a business down based on Animal cruelty isn't an easy task, because the majority of people don't give a damn about how Chickens are treated in a slaughter house.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fantasy Fan
oh come on. You really don't get PETA do you. Well this is the things PETA hates:
All meat restaurants
Animal testing
Farms
Pets
Animal Pounds
Zoos
And anything else to do with animals.
If you look at PETA's bill for rescuing animals, you'd see that they spend nearly $10,000 on a walk-in freezer. Now think about it, a freezer that big would have to be 10ft by 15ft. Why would PETA want a freezer that big? One of two reasons.
1. Meat which no-one in PETA would be caught dead with.
2. Cadavres. And guess what, from Ingrid Newkirke herself "Sometimes the only kind treatments for animals, is putting them to sleep forever." PETA kills more than 2/3 of the animals they save.
And what about animal testing? Animal testing saves millions of other animals through technology and they're trying to stop it??? Some people of PETA even use medicines FROM animal testing. Suprised?
for more information on PETA, watch /xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img]]this video
does it matter if their tortured? there gonna die anyways
Well at the end of June, I will be grabbing chickents and hacking off their heads, defeathering them, and gutting them. My inlaws have done this for years, and its somthing I rolled into. Luckily chickens are very distant to pain, and thier not so pick with thier living conditions.
Also, think of the crap chickens go through in the wild - they rarely make it. Domesticated chickens have been dumbed down to the point where they can die by looking up when it rains, and they get water in thier mouth then drown. Its sad.
Bipper
Whether he's right about this particular issue or not is neither here nor there. What's wrong is telling him he can't bring religion into it, when it's clearly the basis for his morality, at least when it comes to this issue. That's basically saying you can't base your morality on anything, because if you discard an opinion on the basis of nothing except that it has a religious source, someone can equally turn around and tell us our opinions are invalid because they come from ourselves/Mill/Kant/whoever.Quote:
Originally Posted by nik0tine
There are plenty of creatures out there who would readily kill Humans, would you contend that it is our nature to be killed by grizzlies, for instance? No. Just because a creature commonly meets a certain end, or fulfills a certain role, does not mean it is 'in their nature'. A part of nature, yes. But in their nature suggests it is something they actively seek out, conciously or otherwise. Clearly the only things which actively try to get eaten are plant seeds and (I think) some parasites. Chickens do not gain from being eaten, therefore it cannot be said that they are designed to be eaten.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lekana
My internet connection is messed up at the moment, so I can't watch that video. PETA does not kill more than two thirds of the Animals they save. The majority of Animals they save or are trying to save aren't even in the care of PETA, so it's not even possible for them to kill the Animals. PETA disagrees with meat eating, so obviously they don't condone restaurants serving meat. PETA don't disagree with all farming, just animal farming. PETA does not disagree with the keeping of pets, or Animal pounds. The statistics on how many Animals are killed by PETA, is based on the number of Animals that PETA has euthanised, that are sick. PETA does not run an Animal shelter, the Animals that PETA keeps are sick Animals only. Which is where those statistics come from. They are only receiving Animals that are suffering and need to be euthanised. So there not killing the majority of Animals they save. They euthanize Animals that are suffering. They have tried to receive financial backing to open up their own shelters, but have not been able to do so. As far as zoos go, I agree that keeping Animals in a zoo is not a good idea purely for people to come and look at them. But as long as a zoo is aiding conservation with breeding programmes, and helping to raise money for Animals, and their enclosures are of a certain standard, then I don't think they are a bad thing. It's not surprising that Peta would need a fridge of that size, which is most likely used for storing Animal bodies before they can be removed. Just because you disagree with Animal testing, doesn't mean you're are wrong for using medication that has been tested on Animals. If their was an option to take medication that was tested on humans only, then I'm sure that's what they would take. Whether people have been helped by Animal testing is irrelevent. Because we would have benefitted alot more by testing on Humans alone for medication that is intended for Human use. We have rapists, murderers, etc, that we could use to test on. We don't need to test on Animals, unless we're developing medication that is intended for an Animal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fantasy Fan
Yeah,Quote:
Originally Posted by bipper
and they eat thier own poo you know.
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Originally Posted by Tifa's Real Lover(really
Shows where their priorities lie, I would say.Quote:
If their was an option to take medication that was tested on humans only, then I'm sure that's what they would take.
well can someone else watch the video and see I'm right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anaisa
There priority is stopping cruelty to Animals. Them not taking the medication would not do that.Quote:
Originally Posted by GLR
Can you not just tell me what the video contains?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fantasy Fan
Did anyone else notice that the chick de-beaking was the same video played in a loop?
Every other food place does the same thing. PETA just hasn't made a video about it.
Did it matter that the jews were tortured in the Spanish inquisition? Most of them were going to die anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tifa's Real Lover(really
doesnt matter, but it wouldnt be good to be those that survivedQuote:
Originally Posted by nik0tine
By your logic, you'd just as soon die a slow, painful death as die peacefully in your sleep.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tifa's Real Lover(really
Yeah, it's half an episode of Penn and Teller Bull[img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img]. Penn and Teller are entertainers and this series is about, well Bull[img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img]. they tell you things you might already believe to be true, and they say it's not with evidence and facts. Some of their episodes are: ESP, Circumcision, Alternative medicines, Self help classes, Alien abductions, and a lot of other stuff that aren't what they seem. PETA is one of them. It's like a "behind the scenes" series. here's another link in a different media.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anaisa
and here's an article.
That link isn't working because the filter is replacing the second half of one word with the HTML tags for the skulls. Bull[img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img]. Just copy the link and replace the tags with the letters. I'm surprised nobody said anything until now.
Jesus.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tifa's Real Lover(really
Yes. Seriously, what?Quote:
Originally Posted by nik0tine
My feelings exactly, ff7+ff10 gurl... :eep:Quote:
Originally Posted by ff7+ff10 gurl 100
If you look at the world and the way that molecules rearange and one object fuses and breaks over time to become another, you will realize we all eat [img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img]. And who says God has no sense of humor - Good one, God.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lekana
Kentucky Chicken...Boy...and I live in Kentucky. XDDDD
Chicken isn't the greatest food, better a pet.
^_^
That "article" is just some guys opinion on vegetarianism. In short he thinks there's no point to it. In short, that's exactly how I feel about his amateur deducing, an website.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fantasy Fan
PETA actually makes me laugh sometimes. They throw pies at people and yell," FUR PIMP".
the fact is PETA sucks.
Why the hell is PETA being dragged into this? Everyone is making sweeping generalizations. Not liking KFC doesn't = being vegeterian which doesn't = being part of PETA.
Win.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZeZipster
last time I checked, the video was by PETA. That's why I brought it up ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ZeZipster
try thisQuote:
Originally Posted by roto13-ness
I love KFC. It is juicy and delicious. It's my firm belief that the more pain that is inflicted onto an animal the tastier it becomes for my human consumption. That's why i'm at the top of the freaking food chain, because i have the power and desire to destroy lesser beings for my own delicious consumption, in horribly painful and cruel ways.
How do you make a steak tastier? you beat it. With a mallet. it's called "tenderizing." More abuse = more flavor.
Then you take it, and you throw it on a grill and ritualistically burn and scar it over and over again, for 15 or 20 minutes at a time. MMMMMMMMMMMM juicy.
then you hack at it with a knife and fork, drag it through sauces and munch on it.
All KFC is doing is making sure i don't have to take the time to beat the hell out of my food before i can enjoy all of those juicy flavorful beak free chicken bites. They do the abusing, so you don't have to.
EAT CHICKEN. TASTES GOOD.
Yeah, I heard something like that once... it was some guy from quite a long time ago, 30s or 40s or something, had similar ideas- he thought some things were "better" than others, top of the food chain, as you said. Germans, I think he called them... and some other things were lower... wahat were they called? Tubes? No, Jews, that's it... I think so, yeah. He built some places, sort of like battery-farms, to, well,Quote:
Originally Posted by Being Retarded
"process" them. Similar operation, really- transported them there in crampt conditions- cattle trains, actually- then "processed" them in a rather painful manner. Of course, they were only Jews, not real people like the Germans, they didn't feel anything. They didn't eat them afterwards, of course- that's just gross. Burnt them, processed them for oils and stuff, actually put them in soapn and leather and stuff.
Not sure if that works as an analogy, but, to me, it really just seems like a matter of scale- you kill a chicken, you can kill a person. You're already killing for profit, so morality obviously doesn't eneter into it- if you can get away with it, and gain a profit, why not? Particularly if you, in your Superior Human Wisdom, deem that person to be less than you, "sub-human" as they called it.
Just something to think about.
This thread depresses me beyond belief. :)
But you're smiling. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Rye
do we call that Rye humour then ? :choc:
Comparing chicken farming to the holocaust is bad
well its like a chicken holocaust :choc:Quote:
Originally Posted by Old Manus
These are standard practices for factory farming chickens pretty much anywhere, not just for KFC.
The laws for treatment of livestock only deals with their treatments effect on humans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rusty
Law != morality though.
On topic, I couldn't care less what happens to the chickens. I've long held the opinion that the only way to be truly morally good is to starve to death or live off of water and plants that you've witnessed die (like apples falling off trees naturally).
I could be far more insensitive but there's no reason to be. I like KFC chicken :)
So the only options are to embrace cruelty for the sake of your crispy strips or starve. No middle ground, eh? Interesting.
my mouth is watering.
*insert stereo-typical comment about southern african americans and fried chicken here*
I wonder if some of these people have ever sat down by a pig and watched it, actually WATCH it in person being horribly mutliated. With thus "superior" race, if you are superior, why have you the need the make the "lesser" races suffer, Belive it or not, these races actually FEEL pain, shock! They may not go around driving cars but they actually do have lives, They didnt all evolve on this earth from tiny microbes to stuff peoples fat faces who think its hilarious animals went threw days of suffering so they can gorge on high fat food they shouldnt really be eating anyway.
KFC, I can say I dont eat there. And glad, Great company they are, even driving some of there own staff to suicide.
Actually, as far as fast-food chains go, KFC employees are pretty well-off. Decent pay, I think there's even a health plan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wuggly Blight
Yes, and that's obviously indicative of all Kentucky Fried Chicken restaurants. :rolleyes2Quote:
Originally Posted by Wuggly Blight
There not as fantastic as you make them to be, beside the fact KFC protected those who drove her to death, It would seem the abuse doesnt end with Chickens.
I never said they were fantastic, but, for the most part, the employees are better off working there than at McDonalds or some other fast food place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wuggly Blight
Proof. Now.Quote:
beside the fact KFC protected those who drove her to death,
Read the papers. KFC refused to give names, sack the staff, or take action of ANY kind. They took a damn bullet to cover there asses.
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I watched my grandfather slaughter rabbits that we raised. It's gruesome and they are usually just 8-10 weeks old. Smacks them on the head with his hand a couple times, puts them into shock or breaks their neck, some are still alive when opened up. It's not terrible, and it doesn't matter. it's a rabbit.
Further, there's a difference between race (or breed) and species. A jack russel terrier and a boxer are different breeds (or races) of dogs... but not really. because there is only the species of human... and there are different species of animals like dogs... so really, it doesn't matter, they aren't a race is what i wanted to say.
Oh yeah, They really did give the infomation but the public secretly delted all tarces of it, and the high courts lied to save KFC. Dont take it out on me, KFC isnt as fantastic as you say.
Edit: Yeah there is only one bread of Human, the Homosapian, Obviously there used to be more breeds of human, e.g the Homoerectus.
there's no proof in your claim, and further, who cares, it's a chicken, which is a smart animals, but it's just a bird. we have tons, it's not like it's extinct. If we thought about how the chickens were being handled, and changed it to make it better, the price of food would go way up. I assure you, the chicken you buy in the store wrapped in celephane is prepared the same way.
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It's obvious to me that you can't back up what you say. You might want to work on that. Otherwise, you're just talking out of your ass.Quote:
I never said they were fantastic, but, for the most part, the employees are better off working there than at McDonalds or some other fast food place.
The issue here is so diluted with other issues I wonder how many people here even know what the point of this thread was.
People laughing at the misery of animals to feed there fat face with high fat garbage as there is no other source of nurishment? Seems the KFC fans cant even handle the dark side of business.
Its all happy and dandy dispite the police enquiry and court findings with evidence and witnesses.
Think about this, if they could talk (I mean some form of human speach, they probably can to each other, this being they had the biological voice pattens we have to be capable of making speech) How many more bleeding heart groups would there be?
what is dark about eating. Animals kill animals in horrific ways all the time. Look at pirahnas that devour things within minutes.
look at a cat, it toys with its prey before killing it...
stop crying about it, it's not going to change if you like cheap chicken. and besides, chicken is good for you, it doesn't make you fat (well, KFC does, but its fried)
Did you fail Biology in high school? Because most animals are only capable of sending very basic, instinctive messages to each other. Such as "I'm angry" or "let's smurf".Quote:
Originally Posted by Wuggly Blight
I started watching it, but I switched it off 40 seconds into it. I am NOT watching another second of that. It seems like this woman is making up random stuff. Ammonia fumes? What sane person would let ammonia fumes accumulate anywhere? Since it forms ammonia chloride (which can be fatal to humans) when combined with bleach, I fail to see why anybody would be shortsighted enough to let that in.
In short, I feel the video is total and utter rubbish.
Chicken doesnt make you fat KFC does. Its not healthy in ANY way. Do animals put each other in cages for 3 months and slowly debeak them and stuff them full of steriods? No they dont, its rather quick. Anyway unlike popular belief Pirhanas are not evil killer fish. They only eat pray when there driven by extreme hunger, and only if its very week and bleeding, its actually safe to swim with them.
I fail miserably at seeing what Piranhas have to do with Chickens.Quote:
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1. What do pirhanas have to do with this subject?Quote:
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2. Most animals kill other animals for food. It's called the food cycle, also known as life in the wild.
3. No other animals have the mental and/or physical functions needed to do any of what you just said (except for debeaking, but the chicken would probably be long dead before then).
Because I was merely stating something about a point digified came up with, see, not all people see Igorance as bliss.
Anyway, we base animal intelligence on our own persons, they maywell have there own levels. We cant say with 100% accuracy how animals mindsets are. Maybe uri Geller. And because someone isnt smart they deserve to die in conditions I can't describe?
Let's pose a little rhetorical question. Suppose you were in the wilderness, and the only things you had were the clothes on your back and a hatchet. If you saw a rabbit, would you kill it and eat it? I know I would. It's called survival.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wuggly Blight
But anyway, it seems to me that some of what that woman said has no source for truth.
Your going of subject, this has NEVER been about eating meat and killing animals, this is the conditions they kill them in. She probably wasn't accurate on everything, but be fair, can all of us be right all the time?
It's true that as living beings, we all have flaws. However, is there any point to this conversation seeing how the chickens will be all killed sooner or later? If there was any written proof to back up her claims (most of which I find to sound exaggerative), I may see some more credibility in your argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wuggly Blight
When you're making a slanderous video like that one, you'd better be damn sure that you're celebrity spokesperson is "right".Quote:
Originally Posted by Wuggly Blight
I eat meat sure, Animal right protesters outside labs actually pee mee of royalty, Im against it sure, but they really bug me. Im not to bothered about them being killed, for food, we are Omivores, we eat meat. Its how its done, thats what this is about really. Im not going to research everything she says, she may be reading reports from other people, but the point she was trying to bring across is does it matter how we get our food? Painfull or painless?
Ill qoute you next thread scince everything you say is right, and nothing you every say is wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by roto13-ness
I don't even have a view here, you know. Just that KFC employees are well off. You're the one who's talking without backing anything up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wuggly Blight
Im NOT downloading court minutes for your pleasure. It happened. It was in court, there was witnesses, evidence and drugs. Its offical and in records.
For someone with no view your getting awfully protective and in your delelted posts abusive.
Edit: Bloody typos.
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Don't bring it up if you're not prepared to back it up.Quote:
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I think roto made it painfully clear what his view is. Also, do you have a source for that court trial?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wuggly Blight
Talking to a wall... Im not driving up to Manchester to get court minutes it happened. Deal with it.
Edit... again...: A girl DID commit sucide, she has a grave and everything, and KFC WAS a significant factor in its ruling, it happened, you can evidence of the ruling by this wonderful thing called Google. Getting side tracked here arn't we?
Would there be a reason why you can't defend your own argument? Can't you simply find an article about it on the Internet?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wuggly Blight
There... is tonnes... listen... for the love of GOD listen...
You can deny this girl died all you want if helps you keep the image of KFC as a saintly business.
Google.... is your friend...
Why should I do research to support your arguments?Quote:
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I had KFC today... don't hate me because i'm human(and i like to eat things bad for me).
Seconded. Wuggly, if you want me to take you seriously, you'd link me to that article.Quote:
Originally Posted by roto13-ness
Because your denying a fact. It happened. Deal with it. Its not even a argument, its a statement. I really cant be bothered, really, its late, and all I get "There was no girl! the court lied! the registers lied! her parents lied!" From someone who cant even kepe to the orignal fact, chickens ARE abused at KFC, we even went back to topic and you went off with abusive posts you susqeuntly deleted.
Its in every uk newspapers, under history. Most even keep records, there that nice. See, Igorance isnt bliss.
That's not what I'm saying at all. Pay attention. I'm saying that I'm skeptical that KFC as a corporation protected these people and "took a damn bullet to cover their asses" and you're not doing anything to prove it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wuggly Blight
I never said that I thought what you are saying is false. It's just that you're giving no evidence to back up what you're saying. And I never said the court case never happened. I'm starting to think you're not even reading my or roto's posts, and that you're being completely unreasonable.Quote:
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I stopped eating at KFC long ago along with most fast food places.
But I can't deny that their new mashed potato bowl thingys make me want to start eating there again. *shame* :(
Mashies = tasty.
still... Maccas all the way.
Jeez... you guys are still talking about this?
Its not that big of deal, Dorothy just explains it in a harsh, sick, and taunting way. I feel for the chickens, but hey, thats the food chain.
OdinDragon scores 5 points.
Seriously, Dorothy is great and all on the Golden Girls, but she elaborates it to a sickening degree... it wouldn't be so bad if you turned your volume down.
*converts to veganism OMG*
For the record, pirahnas are very territorial and go into a frenzy at the scent of blood. It is vicious and much worse than what they do to those chickens.
Further, the ammonia fumes is from bird droppings.
even further, what about animals, especially felines, that play with their pray, torturing it before killing it?
Your argument doesn't matter because chickens don't matter when there are millions of them.
As far as I can see it, I'm perfectly fine with cannabalism and would like some salt to eat you with!
The mashed potatoes are still good
or are the potatoes inhumanely treated?
Piranhas and cats have nothing to do with factory farming practices. The amount of chickens there are in the world has nothing to do with factory farming practices. The food chain has nothing to do with factory farming practices.
If you think eating meat is fine, then that's fine with me. But if you think treating chickens like that is okay because "it's the food chain," because "other animals are mean to other animals," because "there are bigger problems than chickens so lets just not do anything," or because we can, then you just plain suck fat choad.
I am somewhat of an empathic kind of guy; I feel bad for the chickens. I wouldn't want to endure what they do. I am sure efforts could be taken to "reduce their suffering..."
On the other hand suffering is a part of life- a part of nature, as others have pointed out. Too bad for the chickens, and cows, and pigs, and all the other (tasty) life on the planet who can't defend themselves against us...
To quote M. J. Keenan: "life feeds on life, feeds on life, feeds on life..."
no explanations, no apologies.
if turkey tasted as good as chickens, i would promote KFT.
Turkeys are stupid... Turkeys can drown themselves in rain... by staring at the sky. LAME
They're going to keep killing chickens no matter if I eat there or not. So, it's chow time.
I don't think they're going to keep killing chickens if people aren't eating them, Spiff.
People are going to eat there regardless if I eat there or not. So, it's chow time.
That's just... so stupid I don't even have a response.
But it's true.
I'm just saying that my decision to not eat there isn'tgoing to do [img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img], because there are 45 million other people out there who don't give a rat's ass about chickens, no matter what Bea Arthuer says.
And they all watch NASCAR.
Its very tempting to make a joke with a sweeping generalization of black people and fried chicken right now, but I know someone would get offended and jump down my throat.
Anyway, they should do something to reduce the suffering. I wouldn't go as far as to boycott them, even if I did like there food, too greasy tasting for me. Make sure the Voltage will kill off their senses for one. And make sure they are less cramped in living spaces.
Also, I don't like the Extremists of PETA, a lot of them are okay, but some of these extremists are worse than the people doing things to the Chickens. Like throwing animal blood on people to express there points, though it doesn't happen often, only a few cases and not as bad as southpark portrayed it to be, as funny as that episode was.
Also, while i don't think animal suffering should be ignored, less money and effort should be put towards that to fix starving people and reduce human suffering.
Also, KFC is disgusting and gives me diarreah.
Why anyone would eat there in the first place is beyond me.
And Shlup is terrible at giving me reactions I want. :mad2:
It's not much worse than what is done to Chickens. Chickens can be left suffering in those places for a long period of time. A bleeding Animal that ends up in the water with Piranhas, is going to die within a short space of time.Quote:
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It's funny how the argument for eating Animals is that we are above them so we have the right. But as soon as the question of cruelly torturing them comes up, suddenly people want to compare themselves to Animals. There are billions of people, does that mean that you don't think we shouldn't prosecute murderers because it doesn't matter, there are billions of us?Quote:
even further, what about animals, especially felines, that play with their pray, torturing it before killing it?
Your argument doesn't matter because chickens don't matter when there are millions of them.
As far as I can see it, I'm perfectly fine with cannabalism and would like some salt to eat you with!
yes
I'm not going to read all this thread as I'm sure its full of a lot of self rightous poo from many people. Plus anyone with an onze of brain must know that to maintain the high stock they have to have many animals living together. Also you have your food cheap, they keep the animals cheaply.
If you have a problem with it you should not eat ANY fast food as they treat the animals the same anywhere.
I'm not going to read all of these pages because it's too much. But here's what I've got to say.
Thats a natural event though. An animal being hunted by a predator is supposed to happen. 5+ chickens all stuck in a little cage causing the legs to decompose is not right. No matter what arguement you may raise its not natural or right.Quote:
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Mate are you stupid? There are billions of us. But do we farm humans like that? No. We could. And that would solve world hunger now wouldn't it? And don't give me some crap like "but they're humans" . We are not above animals. Just like I'm not above you. We have bigger brains. That's all.Quote:
even further, what about animals, especially felines, that play with their pray, torturing it before killing it? Your argument doesn't matter because chickens don't matter when there are millions of them. As far as I can see it, I'm perfectly fine with cannabalism and would like some salt to eat you with!
Just thought I'd have my say. Oh BTW I'm studying to become a veteranarian :p
Sad yeah but not eating it isnt going to help. I love KFC, in fact im eating some tonight. Finger licking good!
But the internet, that is natural, yes?Quote:
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You're going to compare suffering to a information medium? Are you ok?Quote:
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I'm going to decimate any argument which rests on the precepts of things being 'natural' (And that by being natural, they are right).Quote:
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Alright, let's edit that quote a little bit, then.
Now what? Treat those as two seperate thoughts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Malboro_Menace
Yes, we are above animals. Good grief. Do you see animals composing epic poems in long form? Do you see animals composing orchestral symphonies? Do you see animals painting masterworks? No, no, and no. We are better than animals, and until they have language, arts, culture, politics, and philosophy*, we will remain better than animals.Quote:
Originally Posted by Malboro_Menace
*I'm aware that some animals can learn Human languages, and a couple have their own languages - one out of five ain't good enough.
I agree with that part of it. I don't think it's right to be unecessarily cruel. I just hate the 'natural' card, because 90% of the modern world is unnatural in form, function, or composition. Or all three.Quote:
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Milf knows the score.
humans are a direct form of nature and life. We just are above the animals on earth because we developed the highest form of sentience. There is nothing un-natural about anything man-made because man is a part of nature itself.
Would a species of higher intellect than homo sapiens have the right by nature to kill off humanity for their own gains?
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Originally Posted by Spaceman Spiff
Orchestral symphonies, Animals can also make noises that they find appealing. Politics, Animals that live in groups have politics. Language, they have their own ways of communicating with each other. Philosophy, Animals have their own ethics and conduct that they live by that varys between species. An on the subject of artwork an the like, they have their own forms of art, an things they find visually pleasing.Quote:
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Chickens and holocaust victims are/were (confused!) kept in very similar conditions. The holocaust is almost unbearably disgusting, so why not with these chickens?Quote:
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Right. :)Quote:
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Also, one argument is that it's cheaper. That's part of the reason it's so bad. They don't treat animals thta way because it's the only way to do it. They do it because it's saves money and effort. They're greedy bastards. People will do anything if it makes them a profit. They really will.
Having them treated better might mean the food is more expensive, but I'd honestly say it's worth it. It's just as greedy to value that little bit extra money over those animals.
Can mentally retarded people? Can they do much that we can? No? And what about the ones that can't even manage what animals can? So lets just kill them! They're below us! And, look, we're back to the holocaust.Quote:
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I find it interesting how people keep saying that we are superior to other animals ^^ If so, shouldn't we hold that true to ourselves morally, too? Animals in the wild kill other animals in painful ways to eat them (although it doesn't compare to what some humans do to animals), but aren't we 'superior'? We obviously have the intellectual capacity to realize that animals feel pain, that pain = bad, and most of us feel that torturing others and making them feel pain is morally/ethically wrong as well. We don't only have our teeth and claws to kill animals, either; we are in every way capable of killing quickly so that they will feel minimal pain. So why are we comparing ourselves to animals in the wild, who need to kill and eat to survive and does that in the only way they 'know' how?
If you eat meat, okay. If you torture animals in the process of getting your meat, not okay. I eat meat, and I would be willing to pay more for my chicken. I'm a college student and I don't feel that I would starve and become broke if the price of meat rose. Most Americans/people in developed countries eat much more meat than is healthy for them, anyway. Eating a bit less or not going to fast food restaurants as much really won't hurt you at all; in fact, it will probably do the opposite.
On a different matter, am I missing something here? o_O;; Why can't they just simply behead the chicken? *blinks*