Ciddies - Feedback

Gimme gimme gimme. Please keep award suggestions to the other thread that is designed for such a topic, though. It's out there somewhere.

Things that have been suggested/proposed recently...

1) Hand-picking speech-writers for the top awards.
2) Announcing Best Member in a Survivor-style, vote-by-vote style, so you can watch the votes just as AG counted them.
3) More Ciddies.
4) Less Ciddies.
5) Y!M Voice Conference with AG during the Ciddies - this was due to happen this time around but it became difficult because AG wasn't feeling great.
6) A change to the periods of time which qualify a member as Newbie, Regular or Veteran.
7) Non-Member Awards (eg best thread). I'm actually considering setting this up as a seperate event.
8) A place for people to show off their stuff, as in Miriel's post in this thread (point #3).

I can't remember the rest at the moment. But comment on those and make suggestions of your own.

1) Hand-picking speech-writers for the top awards.

I agree with that. I didn't like the speeches too much this year. Some were brilliant, but some were a dissapointment, especially for the top awards. Aside from that, that was my favourite Ciddies of all time, so I can't think of anything else! More Ciddies would ruin it the special-ness of winning a Ciddie, less would ruin it too. :)

Here's what I found for new Ciddies.

http://forums.eyesonff.com/showthread.php?t=86008

More Ciddies can't always hurt, but it would add a great amount of stress and more work.
I'm sure you can handle it.
Some of the speeches were... a little off. I think we could vote to pick out who would be able to do the speeches, or the Powers that Be could pick directly for themselves.

1), aswell. That'd be good.
The way you work out the duo Ciddie works well enough, but I think this years were a little sucky. I guess I can't change people's thinkings...

Can't think of much else. Maybe you could hand out drinks? I get very thirsty reading it. And maybe we should get AG a comfy chair. He must get so tired. :(

Loony_BoB: Maybe an even better idea would be to get something happening OUTSIDE of the Ciddies, like, between them.
Loony_BoB: Get competitions more organised.
Loony_BoB: So we always have something happening at EoFF.

I've always found there are 'dead points' in EoFF's calendar, although some only feel dead because they're so soon after the high-point of the year (late November to late December). Maybe we could set this stuff up so it runs a bit better. For example, the Ciddies once again interrupted an EoFFathlon, maybe we should organise this stuff so that doesn't happen anymore.

I found this year pretty boring, but I don't think it was because they were any worse, really. I just wasn't interested. Perhaps more awards presented more quickly would liven things up a bit. I'm not sure, really. Picking the presenters would be a good idea, because there are always some that are great while others are pretty lackluster.

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Loony_BoB: Maybe an even better idea would be to get something happening OUTSIDE of the Ciddies, like, between them.
Loony_BoB: Get competitions more organised.
Loony_BoB: So we always have something happening at EoFF.

I've always found there are 'dead points' in EoFF's calendar, although some only feel dead because they're so soon after the high-point of the year (late November to late December). Maybe we could set this stuff up so it runs a bit better. For example, the Ciddies once again interrupted an EoFFathlon, maybe we should organise this stuff so that doesn't happen anymore.

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Yeah, I agree with that, as I told you on Y!M. xD

The next dead point will be in one month when I leave you for a while.

But for feedback that was quite fun. I'd suggest getting people to write speaches earlier to give people more time to write the speach and makes it less likely to run low on volunteers. With more time the speaches could turn out better, If I hadn't written mine in such a brief time it might have been pretty good, I wasn't very fond of it myself. I just wrote it since you needed the speaches apperently.

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Originally Posted by corncracker

The next dead point will be in one month when I leave you for a while.

But for feedback that was quite fun. I'd suggest getting people to write speaches earlier to give people more time to write the speach and makes it less likely to run low on volunteers. With more time the speaches could turn out better, If I hadn't written mine in such a brief time it might have been pretty good, I wasn't very fond of it myself. I just wrote it since you needed the speaches apperently.

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A week is some time! If I gave people longer, I'd have to either make people wait longer for the results, or else the speech-writers wouldn't know who the nominees are. The speech-writing phase can only last as long as the voting round.

More Maxico.


Anyway I would seriously suggest an easier voting method. Maybe a page seperate from the forums with a form to fill in.

Allow write-in votes.

I wasn't aware copy/pasting a list and deleting people was terribly difficult. :confused: Or do you mean for nominations? I'm not sure how a form would make that any easier - with PMs, I can reply to anything that needs to be rejected for any reason.

I think the first ones would still have to be by PM, because you have to choose from EVERYONE. The finals could be done by page, but it would be alot of stuff and code to do. Samuraid can handle that, lol

The nominating/voting system thing is good enough. It works. If you're too lazy to do it, well, we don't want your votes!

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I wasn't aware copy/pasting a list and deleting people was terribly difficult. :confused: Or do you mean for nominations? I'm not sure how a form would make that any easier - with PMs, I can reply to anything that needs to be rejected for any reason.

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Not voting as much as nominating. Seeing as once you've copied and pasted there's a bunch of additional text littered around the seperate awards that I tend to spend alot of time cleaning because I'm obsessive copmulsive like that.

Perhaps just a blank list of awards or a .txt document would be more realistic.

No, allow people to vote for people who have not been nominated. How about do away with the nomination process entirely.

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Originally Posted by corncracker

The next dead point will be in one month when I leave you for a while.

But for feedback that was quite fun. I'd suggest getting people to write speaches earlier to give people more time to write the speach and makes it less likely to run low on volunteers. With more time the speaches could turn out better, If I hadn't written mine in such a brief time it might have been pretty good, I wasn't very fond of it myself. I just wrote it since you needed the speaches apperently.

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A week is some time! If I gave people longer, I'd have to either make people wait longer for the results, or else the speech-writers wouldn't know who the nominees are. The speech-writing phase can only last as long as the voting round.

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There was a week to do it in? I swore it was like three or four days. Completely disreegaurd my post then.

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Originally Posted by Loony BoB

I wasn't aware copy/pasting a list and deleting people was terribly difficult. :confused: Or do you mean for nominations? I'm not sure how a form would make that any easier - with PMs, I can reply to anything that needs to be rejected for any reason.

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Not voting as much as nominating. Seeing as once you've copied and pasted there's a bunch of additional text littered around the seperate awards that I tend to spend alot of time cleaning because I'm obsessive copmulsive like that.

Perhaps just a blank list of awards or a .txt document would be more realistic.

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Why did you copy/paste the additional text? xD

I thought they were well done.

My suggestions:

1) A new category to add to the best newbie/regular/veteran. There's too many people in the veteran category and every year more people get pushed into that one. Might be good for people who have been registered for like 3+ years. That'd be neat.

2) Del Murder suggested this but post/thread/forum specific awards. That'd be neat.

3) The Oscars have this "For Your Consideration" thing where movie studios will submit some of their best work, actors will submit their best clips, and production teams will submit their stuff. It would be nice for lazy people like me if there was a FYC thread where people who want to be considered for best poet, artist, etc, could post some of their best work. That way, I don't need to go hunting for individual threads in the artist/writer forums. Cause you know, laziness and stuff. :greenie: Plus, I really liked how eest did the speech for best spammer since you got to see an example of each person's spamming. That was neat.

4) No announcing it vote by vote! NO! That would not be neat.

Oh! That's the one I knew I should have remembered. Thanks, Hannah. *adds that in before reading the rest of your post*

EDIT: *adds in those others*

I knew I had fun this year, lamely enough with my antics in #eoff. Probably the one time I'm in there enough to count.

It'd be interesting to do away with the nomination process completely, but if you look at it, you realize if a person is not going to make the cut in nominations, how are they going to do any better in the actual voting? If one person nominates BrooklynSquallHottie in the nomination process, BSH will only get one vote in the actual voting, so it's rather moot. I guess the idea behind it is so everyone can vote for who they really like, though?

And how would thread/forum specific awards work out? What the heck? I can see how a person might have the most stellar post ever (although they may only work in context and when taken out from their element, they may appear less than awesome), but thread and forum specific awards? How do you do that? Give the thread starter an award, maybe? But what if the actual starting post was nothing compared to the rest of the posts in the thread? Does everyone who post in that thread get a bit of that award? What about forums? I don't even get that one at all. Edit: Do you mean, like, Best Poster in GC, Best Female in General Square-Enix, and so on? Do you want these awards to take a week to do?!?

BoB, if you do that, consider a bot.

Non-Member Awards generally mean there is no member that gets a prize. It's just to decide on what that totally cool thread is, and stuff.

EDIT: And I can say now that there is no way in hell that I am going to drop nominations. They were started up for a reason, and the difference it made to the awards was awesome. If anything, I'd consider setting up a "face-off" period where the top two finalists go head-to-head in a battle.

First of all, NO vote by vote. Oh man that would be painful.

I'm not a big fan of having an award for best thread and best post and stuff like that. It's just really hard to think of what the best thread of the last six months is! And usually really stupid, closed, spam threads would get nominated anyway.

I think you do a fantastic job with this, BoB. Half the fun is in the anticipation, and all the hoopla around the awards!

I don't think we should get rid of nominations either. How many times has someone only had a couple nominations but ended up winning the award? That is pretty neat. I know I've nominated someone for an award, and they made it to the finals, but I voted for someone else because I just didn't think of them at the time!

There are some awards that I have a really hard time with, and I don't really like. The worst is horniest member. I just think that one is silly. Of course, it's not just my opinion that matters, but I thought I would mention it!

Change the nomination cutoff from 2 to 1. The more options you have to vote for the better. Limiting it to just people popular enough for 2 nominations ends up with a smaller group of "the same people who always win" people.

Set a hard limit to the number of Ciddies anyone can win. After someone wins that many, retire them from ever winning any more (i.e. don't let people nominate or vote for them for anything). Some people have won so many awards that getting more doesn't really mean a whole lot. (e.g. me) I don't even post and I still win crap. If someone else won the award I won, I think it would mean more to them than it did to me. If the purpose of the Ciddies is to recognize people who do something good, then permanently recognize people who've won 947 Ciddies and make room for some other, EQUALLY worthy person to be recognized.

Since this is my first time actually bothering to look at the ciddies, I think it's cool and was very fun. However, I found the posting style strange. It was almost as if it was in the IRC Chat Room. My feedback on the Ciddies aside, I would like to state that I support the idea of more Ciddie categories. The Ciddies are for fun, and what better way to make the Ciddies more fun than to make the Winners Revelations thread longer? :tongue: Plus, it increases my chances of winning a Ciddie, which is always good. :p

make room.

Is there a showcase area showing the number of awards each person has won? Why not?

Meat Puppet updated my wiki page with that info!

Meat Puppet does a lot of work on the wiki these days.

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make room.

Is there a showcase area showing the number of awards each person has won? Why not?

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There's the hall of fame excel spreadsheet and excel-generated web-page.

I actually agree 100% with Miriel, which is freaky since I knew exactly what I was going to write in this post, then I read through the posts and Miriel totally nailed it. :mad2:

Either way, apart from the things Miriel mentioned, I think the ciddies are nice. 50 Ciddies is an OK number of ciddies. Nice work this year, champ.

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Meat Puppet updated my wiki page with that info!

Meat Puppet does a lot of work on the wiki these days.

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Meat Puppet for RM!

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Originally Posted by Loony BoB

Loony_BoB: Maybe an even better idea would be to get something happening OUTSIDE of the Ciddies, like, between them.

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You let the rest of us worry about that kind of thing. ;)

And for heaven's sake please use these MLTs. The MLTs are too repetitive and the Ciddies feel stale after seeing the same awards after five or so years. Refreshing the Duo Awards isn't enough.

I think (as if my opinion matters) that FYC is an excellent idea. Also, awards for specific areas is good, like maybe best riddler in FF threads, which could possibly be self contained. Maybe more IRC based awards would be good too.

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And for heaven's sake please use these MLTs. The MLTs are too repetitive and the Ciddies feel stale after seeing the same awards after five or so years. Refreshing the Duo Awards isn't enough.

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The only MLT's that are repeated are the following:

MLT Become a Cid's Knight
MLT Get Banned
MLT Win a Ciddie for the very first time
MLT Get hig by a bus
MLT Be driving the bus
MLT Get Together

All the others change every time. I can't see any of those being dropped, maybe MLT Win a Ciddie for the very first time, but that's a nice award to have around, I feel. All the other nine change each time, though.

I think we may be ready to scrap the bus awards? :cool:

I say we can scrap the bus awards. Seems to me like the last two that are determined by the preliminary rounds are sometimes so closey related to the bus ones, that the nominees might as well be the same.

Yeah, the bus awards are old. Just my opinion though!

Nah. They've been around longer than Best Member has!

The only ones that have been around every time are...
Best Administrator
Best Cid's Knight
Best Newbie
Nicest Member
Evilest Member
Best Custom Rank

And the following have only ever missed one set of awards...
Best Member
Best Avatar
Best Signature
Best Writer
MLT Get Hit By a Bus

I'd probably sooner add two more MLT's and have 52 Ciddies. :p

EDIT: Or scrap the duo awards.

I don't like the bus ones, because people getting hit by busses is really serious thing 'cause they could die!

I've been run over before, it's not so bad.

More porn cowbell.

we need a Christopher Walken set of ciddies, like MLT marry a bobcat or MLT watch centaur porn.

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4) Less Ciddies.

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Elimination of distinctions like 'best member/veteran/newbie' and just a 'best member' ciddie. Keep the staff one though.

Put Old Manus, Meat Puppet, and Jaffar in charge.

Jaffar doesn't even post anymore.

people should be able to voluntarily retire from a specific ciddie if they win in a bunch of times in a row.

So, which number 1) for picking individuals to do big speeches.

I know we had talked about this and you said you reserved the right for Best Member etc. However, in all honesty, I think it should be alternated.

Further, I don't think a nominee/finalist in the award should be able to give the speech.

I think the MLT speeches should have a length limitation.

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Originally Posted by Loony BoB

Gimme gimme gimme. Please keep award suggestions to the other thread that is designed for such a topic, though. It's out there somewhere.

Things that have been suggested/proposed recently...

1) Hand-picking speech-writers for the top awards.
2) Announcing Best Member in a Survivor-style, vote-by-vote style, so you can watch the votes just as AG counted them.
3) More Ciddies.
4) Less Ciddies.
5) Y!M Voice Conference with AG during the Ciddies - this was due to happen this time around but it became difficult because AG wasn't feeling great.
6) A change to the periods of time which qualify a member as Newbie, Regular or Veteran.
7) Non-Member Awards (eg best thread). I'm actually considering setting this up as a seperate event.
8) A place for people to show off their stuff, as in Miriel's post in this thread (point #3).

I can't remember the rest at the moment. But comment on those and make suggestions of your own.

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I don't like that TIME thing. Why not make it by AMOUNT OF POSTS INSTEAD??? A 1000+ member labeled as newbie??? that's pathetic.

Because that would just encourage people to spam and get their post count up!!1

Besides spamming a crapload of posts doesn't make you any less of a n00b. It just makes you a n00b who spams a lot.

Get rid of the bus ciddies imho.

Edit: Some kind of a lifetime achievment Ciddie could be pretty suave, I guess. Like, once a year in one of the ciddies, someone could be RM'd or whatever.

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Because that would just encourage people to spam and get their post count up!!1

Besides spamming a crapload of posts doesn't make you any less of a n00b. It just makes you a n00b who spams a lot.

Get rid of the bus ciddies imho.

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true that, I get your point. But still, I don't like labeling people as n00bs and veterans and such, it just REALLY drives away those who join, they'll stay for 3 weeks or so and then realize they'll never be ANYTHING like the regulars/veterans and it'll all really fall apart for EOFF.

stfu n00b lol

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stfu n00b lol

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YAY!........................:twak:

If people were driven away from being labelled a n00b no one would have joined the internet in the last 8 years.

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If people were driven away from being labelled a n00b no one would have joined the internet in the last 8 years.

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you mean forums??? People really don't care being labelled a n00b around the internet, but they do hate it in a message board. I mean, not really HATE IT, but it LOWERS the chances of them really staying in the message board at all, they won't feel like they're a part of the family.

Anyway, admins/mods can go ahead and do it, bye bye EOFF

Maybe it's just me, but I feel a n00b and a Newbie are completely different things. A Newbie is someone who is just new to something, be it EoFF, soccer, or the internet. A n00b is someone who acts immature, stupid, and is usually disrespectful in some way, and therefore deserve the different label.

Oh, and I wouldn't get your hopes up on EoFF going away.


Anyway, as for actual feedback, I thought the Ciddies went okay this time. However, like others have said, I think that the bus awards should be retired and something new put in their place. Or just make them like the others and change them each Ciddies, keep things interesting.

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Maybe it's just me, but I feel a n00b and a Newbie are completely different things. A Newbie is someone who is just new to something, be it EoFF, soccer, or the internet. A n00b is someone who acts immature, stupid, and is usually disrespectful in some way, and therefore deserve the different label.

Oh, and I wouldn't get your hopes up on EoFF going away.


Anyway, as for actual feedback, I thought the Ciddies went fine this year. However, like others have said, I think that the bus awards should be retired and something new put in their place.

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Yeah, those two terms always get mixed up, anyway, it's not like it's going to be on my final or anything.

And who said I'm getting my hopes up :laugh:

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true that, I get your point. But still, I don't like labeling people as n00bs and veterans and such, it just REALLY drives away those who join, they'll stay for 3 weeks or so and then realize they'll never be ANYTHING like the regulars/veterans and it'll all really fall apart for EOFF.

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I've been here four years and I'm still a noob :D

To be honest, with the current periods of time in place that qualify members as either Newb/Vet/Reg, I reckon a Newbie might as well be a Regular. Maybe you could leave Newbie as it is but stretch out Regular a bit so that Veteran will also get pushed back.

Rase is completely right. There's a huge difference between a newbie and n00bs. I love newbies and I love being a newbie. The freshness of everything in the beginning is great. N00bs don't get much love from me though.

In any case, it's silly to complain about a best "newbie" award and if you get offended by that award and leave the forums, then you don't belong here anyway.

And my suggestion about changing the newbie/regular/veteran wasn't about changing the periods of time, it was about adding a new category to that bunch. The current time periods are fine, I just think we need a new category for people who have been here for like, over 3 or 4 years.

As for post counts... well, it's quality not quantity.

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As for post counts... well, it's quality not quantity.

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Yes.

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Rase is completely right. There's a huge difference between a newbie and n00bs. I love newbies and I love being a newbie. The freshness of everything in the beginning is great. N00bs don't get much love from me though.

In any case, it's silly to complain about a best "newbie" award and if you get offended by that award and leave the forums, then you don't belong here anyway.

And my suggestion about changing the newbie/regular/veteran wasn't about changing the periods of time, it was about adding a new category to that bunch. The current time periods are fine, I just think we need a new category for people who have been here for like, over 3 or 4 years.

As for post counts... well, it's quality not quantity.

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But which Ciddie would that new Ciddie replace? Most, if not all, of the top 35 are pretty set now. Maybe I can do away with Horniest Member or something, but I think a lot of people would be pretty disappointed with that.

Hmm. Some people calling for more Bests, some people calling for less. This is sort of like a swear word debate in the ol' Feedback Forum.

There's no way in hell Best Newbie is getting canned, but I think everyone knows that. I can't think of a single person who has won that award and then gone on to say that they are offended that they have been labelled a newbie. If that really does drive people away, I haven't noticed it, considering EoFF is one of the fastest (if not THE fastest) growing dedicated Final Fantasy forums out there.

The reason Award Guy does the speech for Best Member is because he can provide commentary on what's already gone on during the night and so on. Also, from what I've been told from the last Ciddies, his speech was one of the best of the night (I won't say THE best because that's a matter of opinion). I think Psychotic has done it before, though. Having said that, I'll keep an open mind to other people doing the Best Member speech but - not to be egotistical or anything - I feel that I (er, and AG) have some of the strongest knowledge on the varied finalists, as well as being able to say "this person has already won _______ tonight", which works in my (er, and his) favour.

eest: I'd rather not have that because a) it puts pressure on people who have won an award to retire it when they might not want to, b) it might affect people's opinion of them if they do/don't, and c) it would ruin the whole winning-streak thing.

Why can't you just have 36? :p

I'm big on multiples of 5. I suppose I could do a 36/14 split... at one point there was a 40/10 split, I think. That allowed for more original/different awards outside of the MLT's.

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If people were driven away from being labelled a n00b no one would have joined the internet in the last 8 years.

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you mean forums??? People really don't care being labelled a n00b around the internet, but they do hate it in a message board. I mean, not really HATE IT, but it LOWERS the chances of them really staying in the message board at all, they won't feel like they're a part of the family.
Anyway, admins/mods can go ahead and do it, bye bye EOFF

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DK, we were labelled as noobs for the past six months. Why do you think we are still here? You have to have some kind of belief in the noob that he will stay and become a productive, spammy, anti-CK member.

I can understand where you are coming from, but really, time is better than post count; unless you genuinely help people if they have a problem, which means you would only have posts that count in EoEO, the Gaming forums, and 15% of GC posts. And time is also better because it means the person is dedicated enough to be a part of the forum. If they left, then how will anyone else know who they are?

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My suggestions:

1) A new category to add to the best newbie/regular/veteran. There's too many people in the veteran category and every year more people get pushed into that one. Might be good for people who have been registered for like 3+ years. That'd be neat.

2) Del Murder suggested this but post/thread/forum specific awards. That'd be neat.

3) The Oscars have this "For Your Consideration" thing where movie studios will submit some of their best work, actors will submit their best clips, and production teams will submit their stuff. It would be nice for lazy people like me if there was a FYC thread where people who want to be considered for best poet, artist, etc, could post some of their best work. That way, I don't need to go hunting for individual threads in the artist/writer forums. Cause you know, laziness and stuff. :greenie: Plus, I really liked how eest did the speech for best spammer since you got to see an example of each person's spamming. That was neat.

4) No announcing it vote by vote! NO! That would not be neat.

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Miriel's correct on all four counts here. :)

I think that one of the problems for the long-time members is that they've seen so many Ciddies now that one set it pretty much indistinguishable from another. If you ask me, there are two ways to deal with this. Either you can do away with the Mid-Year Ciddies and make it an annual thing, or you can do something to differentiate the Summer and Winter events. Perhaps the Mid-Years could be made up of the more light-hearted awards, like the MLTs, and the End of Years used for the more others? That's not the only way it could be done, just the first that came to mind. I'm sure you guys could come up with something better.

I agree on the suggestion that a ember can only win X Award X amount of times, unless its an award that not many end up in, like Best Techy.

Thats way, it wint alway be the same person winning, which can kinda make peole bitter, knoing that HE/SHE is going to win it AGAIN.

Also, too many votes are simply name recognition. One guy I know told me that he voted for me for Best Writer, simply because he knew me, but none of the others, he hadnt even looked at anything I had written. An example is Best Chatter, kikimm came second, despite not even BEING in #eoff. That annoyed me to no end.

The serious ciddies should remain serious, it means that much more to win one. I was astounded that I even made it into the Best Writer category, and also for receiving all those nominations for various categories. Except maybe MLT to be Wile E Coyote :eep: Then again, that makes me wonder who I was trying (and failing) to kill...

I liked this Ciddies much more, mainly because I knew what it was about, and because people I knew were actually in the voting part..

Also, I agree with getting rid of the Bus awards, I like iyt how the funny MLT's change every year, but the Bus awards to me, are old already, despite me only being around for two Ciddies.

Also, the Revelations thread was painfuly spam filled, it took forever for the page to load, and forever to get to the actual Ciddies

All in all, I love the concept of the Ciddies, It just needs a lot of tweaking.

It was Meat Puppet deleting everybody's wikis? *signs him up for porn*

Having someone only be able to win it a certain amount of times is fail. If people are constantly winning the same award over and over, it's for a reason. Not to mention the fact it'd be a totally cheap and mostly a "you only won 'cause _____ wasn't in the running :mad2:" If people want new people to win ciddies, people need to step their game up, that's all.

And yeah, kikimm coming second in Best Chatter was complete nonsense. She's obviously the best by a country mile. :mad2:

^ Psy hijacked Kyono's account

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I agree on the suggestion that a ember can only win X Award X amount of times, unless its an award that not many end up in, like Best Techy.

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If the people vote for them, then they win. If they win a lot of times in a row, then so be it - records would never be broken if we put on such restrictions.

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Thats way, it wint alway be the same person winning, which can kinda make peole bitter, knoing that HE/SHE is going to win it AGAIN.

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If they don't want them to win anymore then maybe they should stop voting for them, and vote for someone else. Either way, that person is getting more votes than any other person for a reason.

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Also, too many votes are simply name recognition. One guy I know told me that he voted for me for Best Writer, simply because he knew me, but none of the others, he hadnt even looked at anything I had written. An example is Best Chatter, kikimm came second, despite not even BEING in #eoff. That annoyed me to no end.

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kikimm might be very good at chatting to people outside of #eoff. Either that, or, by golly, non-#eoffers might have been voting for her purely because they wanted a non-#eoffer to win. They're fickle folk, non-#eoffers. They lost anyway. But yes, name recognition will always be there. I'm not going to go around guessing who has and who hasn't actually read anything by anyone.

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Also, I agree with getting rid of the Bus awards, I like iyt how the funny MLT's change every year, but the Bus awards to me, are old already, despite me only being around for two Ciddies.

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I will consider this, since there's so many people agreeing about it.

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Also, the Revelations thread was painfuly spam filled, it took forever for the page to load, and forever to get to the actual Ciddies

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That's part of the fun, though. If you don't want to bother with that stuff, you can always just wait for the thread to finish and then look at the first post. The Winner Revelations thread got a huge positive response when it first came into action, so I can't see that bit changing anytime soon, especially since it's something that can easily be worked around by just waiting for it all to finish.

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Originally Posted by Reine

Also, the Revelations thread was painfuly spam filled, it took forever for the page to load, and forever to get to the actual Ciddies

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That's part of the fun, though. If you don't want to bother with that stuff, you can always just wait for the thread to finish and then look at the first post. The Winner Revelations thread got a huge positive response when it first came into action, so I can't see that bit changing anytime soon, especially since it's something that can easily be worked around by just waiting for it all to finish.

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Turn off signatures and you should be fine.
If anything, I thought the pages loaded much faster than they usually do, this year.

A better alternative to the loading times would be to use the Simplified Style, which cuts out avatars, signatures and almost every other style-based image there is on any page, with extremely few exceptions.

If you people want someone else to win, then vote for someone else!

The problem is that a lot of people will vote for whoever is familiar to them on the list regardless of whether they are actually the "best" in that category. Try looking in the gaming forums for a change to see what's going on down there. If you did that, maybe you'd notice that Kishi isn't the one doing all the helpin'.

It bugged me in the predictions thread when people were saying this like, "this award is kishi's, hands down la dee da." *slaps the whole lot of you* The problem isn't with the ciddies, the problem is with the voters. Why assume that just because someone has won the same ciddie so many times in the past, that this award somehow becomes there's?

This is where a FYC thread would help. The no advertising rule for the official ciddies thread is fine and all, but a place for someone to say "Hey, I've done a lot of this and this in the past 6 months, consider me please" might not be so bad.

Here, take a gander at a FYC gallery. Aww, lookit all the pretty FYC ads. Aren't they pretty? I think they're pretty.

I said no self-advertising. If you guys want to make a show-off thread with justification as to why you think someone should win, I won't stop you, unless I notice people clearly just doing favours for their friends in exchange for them doing favours in return.

I do respect your point in that you guys might say "it's not fair if someone wins an award if they are living on their name" but it's up to yourselves to educate the masses if they won't educate themselves. I won't be giving any limits to how many times a person can win an award, especially when people such as clout arguably deserved to win seven times in a row before Samuraid eventually took over (also proving that people don't 'own' awards).

The FYC thing is okay so long as it's only done for certain Ciddies (I don't want people to promote spam, obviously, or how likely someone is to get banned, etc. etc.) and so long as it's done tastefully, without any kind of self-promotion or "traded" promotion. I hope that makes sense.

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It bugged me in the predictions thread when people were saying this like, "this award is kishi's, hands down la dee da." *slaps the whole lot of you* The problem isn't with the ciddies, the problem is with the voters. Why assume that just because someone has won the same ciddie so many times in the past, that this award somehow becomes there's?

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You seem to forget that the Predictions thread was all about predicting who would win, not who we voted for?

Half of the Ciddies is about popularity, and so yes, if one name is familiar in a sea of unknowns and has either gotten close to winning the Ciddie category they're in or they have won in that category once before, it's rather safe to assume that most people will vote for them.

I'm trying to say that I agree with you on all points but your irritation with the Predictions thread.

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The FYC thing is okay so long as it's only done for certain Ciddies (I don't want people to promote spam, obviously, or how likely someone is to get banned, etc. etc.) and so long as it's done tastefully, without any kind of self-promotion or "traded" promotion. I hope that makes sense.

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So basically, just appoint someone who is willing to do it that way and has the time, preferably a Knight/Admin so they can make sure it doesn't turn into a spam/self-advertising fest. Not to toot my own horn, but I'm seeing it as sort of how I tried to make the Best Writer speech, with links to relavent information that voters could use to base their decisions on (of course, that was kind of too late, but meh). I think this was done by eestlinc for the Best Spammer thing also, and may some others that I don't know.
For example, for the Best Artist Ciddie, the person can ask each nominee to choose three pieces that they consider thier best work. If they don't choose, the person can just choose three they like, then provide links to all the pictures so people could see them all in one place. I'd assume that most members wouldn't bother to slog through the Artist's Forum or Writer's Corner and look at stuff the nominees have done, as it's simply too much off a hassle sometimes.

It would only work for certain Ciddies, but it may help in the whole "educate the masses" thing.

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For example, for the Best Artist Ciddie, the person can ask each nominee to choose three pieces that they consider thier best work. If they don't choose, the person can just choose three they like, then provide links to all the pictures so people could see them all in one place. I'd assume that most members wouldn't bother to slog through the Artist's Forum or Writer's Corner and look at stuff the nominees have done, as it's simply too much off a hassle sometimes.

It would only work for certain Ciddies, but it may help in the whole "educate the masses" thing.

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Yes! I approve!