Metallica

I've noticed more Metallica fans here then I thought there would be.
This is just general metallica, ups and downs, opinions, best concerts, best members.

Cliff Burton > Robert Trujillo > Jason Newsted in the bass skill comparison but Newsted always had better backing vocals.

Kirk Hammet needs to do some more fancy stuff, sure his overuse of the waa waa distortion suits him and kicks ass but I want to see him do other cool stuff.

MOP was my favourite album, better lyrics, rifs and bass. RTL had the best drumming. KEA was pretty kickass though. I like Binge and Purge, S&M and Rock am Ring 2006. My fav songs have to be Disposable Heroes, For Whom The Bell Tolls, Creeping Death, Lepper Messiah, The Thing That Should not Be (practically the entire MOP album) Blackened, Shortest Straw, Dyers eve, Enter Sandman, Holier Then Thou, The God That failed, King Nothing, Aint my Bitch and St Anger.

Your turn, just don't go trolling or flaming people's opinions, keep it friendly, I want to see how many Metallica fans there really are here at EoFF.

hmm i like all albums except st.anger.

and in terms of better bassist player imo its jason > robert > cliff.

and the best concert wass of course the one i went to on 8 june in gelredome. but thats porbably just because i was there myself :P:D
oh and S&M is probably my second fav concert.

Well here's something, Newsted couldn't play anything in the song Orion, his style he used limited him greatly, you see he used a pick and pieced together the things he was limited to, but that meant that complicated stuff requiring clear higher tones and finger plucking were difficult to play, he never failed to impress me with some of the things he did but Cliff takes the gold, see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1Y04V9ZOhI Cliff actually did a waa waa like guitar solo before that song, he shredded too. Pretty nifty, Newsted had that cool deep tone sounds in his music but Rob uses a kind of funky beat in his music, I'm just explaining and showing my opinion here, don't get annoyed here, so tell me why you think Newsted was the best.

I would consider myself more a "casual" Metallica listener. I have the standard "Black" album in my collection but that's about it. My friend is kinda obsessed with them. I can however do a very close impersonation of James Hetfield.

I prefer Megadeth to Metallica.

Enter Sandman=awesomeness. fade to black=awesomeness. one= extreme awesomeness!

...and Justice for all and Master of Puppets are their masterpieces. Ride the Lightning and Black Album are good too. I don't care about the rest. S/M isn't anywhere near as good as people make it out to be.

Well those in #eoff know that PiP likes 'em. The MoP album owns most, my fav album.

1991 and down, and then choice songs from the albums after the Black album. I used to love Metallica lots, St. Anger didn't really phase me because I was more into Master of Puppets and Ride the Lightning and Justice for all, and after the Black Album they started to phase into the whole 'trendy' style, which I can't say is a bad thing, it's just the earlier Metallica was more pleasing and seemed to be a cauldron of Talent.
On the St. Anger Cd, they basically had the songs the same length, but instead of having the solo's to make an 8 minute long song make sense, they would repeat the chorus continuously, which got to be rather annoying. Naturally, none of the other bands of their newfound 'genre' had solo's so I'm guessing they didn't need them anymore. I listen to Newer Metallica for the lyrics, but if I want to sit back and enjoy the musical aspect, I'll listen to one of the earlier cd's. It feel's more musical and the composition seems better.
But hey, I'd like them more, if they came out with a cd that just seems like it went back in time. <3.

P.s I didn't really like Kill Em All. Oh well..

I still like MetallicA, let that be clear, they're the best metal band EVER, period.

What I like:
-Their fierce attitude.
-Lyrics which can apply to ANY situation.
-Their songs get you pumped up.
-Drumming which is NOTICEABLE(not the best) but NOTICEABLE! (There are FAR too many bands with drummers that are BARELY noticeable, they either play TOO standard or TOO aggressive).
-Solos that whip you and throw you around for MINUTES!
-James Hetfield's old deep-growling voice.

What I'm not liking(present-2006):
-James Hetfield's CRAPPY/WHINY/HIGH-PITCHY voice.
-Rob Trujillo's stage presence and backing vocals
-Hetfield's attitude "Ooh I love my family, nothing's better than my family, if I make a bad album, smurf the fans, I have my family" and the OH SO ANNOYING "Are you ALIVE!?" in the middle of songs :barf:
-Hetfield being so DAMN hardheaded "Let's make ANY KIND of album, as long as it doesn't sound like the first 4"

PS: Jason Newsted's style is better than Robs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gDtzB57HTA *boom!* Headshot.

Hetfield stopped the "are you alive?" He only did it for battery, but literally how does he doe that fricking crab dance? It's cool as hell. Well is it a crime to love your family? What, if your dad was a famous rockstar and was pissed most of the time would you like it if he went into rehab? He's not singing very high pitch, he's singing, it's like a more powerful version of vocals from the black album and load. Don't mention reload, please, my stomach can't handle it. But Rob's backing vocals are getting better and Kirk does some kickass backing vocals. They're just experimenting, don't get your hopes down so soon. I love that bass solo btw. I'm gonna learn it.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gDtzB57HTA *boom!* Headshot.

Hetfield stopped the "are you alive?" He only did it for battery, but literally how does he doe that fricking crab dance? It's cool as hell. Well is it a crime to love your family? What, if your dad was a famous rockstar and was pissed most of the time would you like it if he went into rehab? He's not singing very high pitch, he's singing, it's like a more powerful version of vocals from the black album and load. Don't mention reload, please, my stomach can't handle it. But Rob's backing vocals are getting better and Kirk does some kickass backing vocals. They're just experimenting, don't get your hopes down so soon. I love that bass solo btw. I'm gonna learn it.

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It's something to show love for your family. But it's something else to shove it down people's throats in EVERY opportunity he gets.

Lars has a family, you don't see him bitching 'bout it ALL the time.
Rob has a family, you BARELY hear anything 'bout it.
Kirk has...well a wife and he doesn't say much.

SEE! There's where I draw the line. When has metal been 'bout SINGING!?

Singin's for pop-stars. Metal is fierce, deep, shattering voices, there's no NEED to sing.

...And Justice For All is the perfect example of GREAT vocals with no intent of girly MELODIC singing.

Their backing vocals are becoming better, but I assure you, Kirk doesn't like the idea ONE BIT.

I like the experimenting.............but it's GETTING OLD. It's like they have NO DESIRE or inspiration in music anymore....so they have to experiment for 4 years to see who they can copy(SOAD/Slipknot).

By the way, ...And Justice For All is MetallicA's best album(IMO).

The problem with the and justice for all album is that they usually mess it up live, and there was a lack of bass. Metallica are experimenting, bands experiment to find a new confortable way of performing to get better. He can shove it down people's throats if he likes, Hetfield can do anything he likes, except ba-... Back on track, If Metallica copy a crap band like Slipknot I'll go emo. But metal can be about singing aswell, what look at Black sabbath, Deep Purple, Iron Maiden, W.A.S.P. stuff like that, they have great vocals and they aren't the crappy screaming and grunting you hear from modern bands. Each band has it's own pieces and things about them, if they get the mix right they can kickass but it can't always go right, that's what I'm saying. How's his vocals girly? He has a very powerful voice as seen in S&M but when he tries he can get near to his old self such as seen at Rock am Ring and Download. What I think is that when he puts his mind into it and gives the fans what they want and not what he wants he can do some much better vocals. If his performance gets better so does the rest of the band. IT'S THE MAGIC OF TRUJILLO'S CRAB DANCE I TELL YA!

So do you get what I'm saying? Yeah I see where you're coming from but I'm just reasoning out and using my own views and thoughts and stuff. GAH! I cannot explain well this is why we always end up arguing in these threads.

St Anger didnt empress me as much as Master of Puppets and Garage Inc. I prefer their old stuff compared to now.

same here, but I liked some of the black album and Load. Their live albums were amazing. MOP was just divinity on a CD. *crab dance*

Ride the Lightning is my favourite album, it's got a very special atmosphere. :D

I usually listen to Seek & Destroy while taking a ride, and sing along with it: it pumps me up a lot, because I actually handle this shrieking kind of singing pretty well (in terms of voice, I sound a lot like James himself does on the record), and I've almost mastered those screams James does during "Seek And DeSTROY!!!!!" :D

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Their live albums were amazing

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OMFG S&M! That is one of the best live albums Ive heard by anyone. Its beautiful.

love em!!!!! but i agree that there newer ventures just havnt captured that kick ass attitude!!!!! i smurfing loved there cover of whiskey in the jar and have to admit that i was blown away by the orchestra, it worked really well!!! as far as there best....its long gone, bring back black, justice etc!!!

its a shame that so few bands ROCK anymore!!! Jack Black is one of the last true die hard rock lovers left....just good ole rock, nothing new age, nothing experimental....i he ran for PM i would vote for him!!!

The only thing I see wrong in them experimenting, is that experimenting led to what they are now. They experimented all the good choices then after the Black Album they kind of went out there with idea's. Creeping Death is prolly my fave out of them all.

You don't fix something that's not broken, and if it works just fine, you don't add onto it to make it something 'better' because to much of a 'good' thing can be bad. I remember my mom's Bf wanting to listen to St. Anger when we were in the car on the way to my aunts, because he loved older metallica and what not. And through like... He ended up skipping tracks once the song would hit about 4 minutes and not have any kind of metallica-y stuff other then James' voice. Then after it was all done and we had skipped some tracks, we just kind of drove along sad until I found Master of Puppets to put in the cd player.

And we all rejoiced.
*happy now 'cause Creeping Death is playing. ^^*

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I prefer Megadeth to Metallica.

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Yes.

I don't listen to either very often though :love:

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And we all rejoiced.
*happy now 'cause Creeping Death is playing. ^^*

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Creeping Death is from Ride The Lightning not Master of Puppets btw.

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And we all rejoiced.
*happy now 'cause Creeping Death is playing. ^^*

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Creeping Death is from Ride The Lightning not Master of Puppets btw.

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Master of puppets > Ride the lightning.

but RTL had For Whom The Bell Tolls, Fade to Black and Creeping death that made it cool. =(

One of my favourite bands ever. Probably the first band I actually really liked, followed by NIN. (I used to hear them in the car all the time, and I grew to love both those bands)

The Black Album, ive heard so many times, so its kinda lost its touch these days, but it was what got me into Metallica.

We used to have this "Madatory Metallica" every night on the radio, when thee Metallica songs were played at random, and I remember being blown away by "For Whom the Bell Tolls" Id never heard a song use that kind of music before..

My favourite album is S&M, which remains one of the best ive ever heard, from any band. If anyone wasnt awed by it when they first heard it, then they fail.

I also love the Reload album (Where the Wild Things Are, Low Man's Lyric, The Unforgiven II, and the original versions of Fuel and Devil's Dance <33)

Master of Puppets was awesome, especially Sanitarium and Orion. Master of Puppets will always rock, the S&M version is legendary, imo

My favourite tracks would be No Leaf Clover, Until It Sleeps, For Whom The Bell Tolls, Where The Wild Things Are and so many other really good ones.

Id say that Whisky In The Jar is my overall favourite at the moment.

The instrumentals they do are also incerdibly awesome, Orion, Call of Cthulu and Star Wars Imperial March are awesome, some of the best instrumentals ive heard (Sure, Star Wars Imperial March may be a gimmick, but I love it nonetheless)

You forgot Anasthesia and To Live Is To Die as instrumentals. Heehee.

I heard St. Anger is more to the alternative side which is why so many fans were disappointed.

I also heard The Black Album sucked ass.

I only have ...And Justice For All because I couldn't find Master Of Puppets. I heard the song though. Kicks ass. My favorite song from AJFA is Harvester Of Sorrow.

my favourite from the AJFA album would by Dyer's Eve or Blackened because they're pure Thrash metal style songs, The Black Album had a few good songs such as Holier then thou and enter sandman but it's nothing special considering what they're capable of. But that's why Reload sucked so much (IMO). It was the most alternative rock style and far away from what Metallica were capable of compared to face shattering songs that are just plain sexy. St Anger is a much, much better album when done live. (solos, bass.) St Anger seemed like they were trying too hard to get back to their old style and went too far. James's vocal styles on Reload and St Anger weren't suited for their old Style (not songs, just style) if you noticed at Rock in Rio, Download (2004 and 2006) and Rock Am Ring, Hetfield is bringing the best of both, he's getting his aggressive growl back while keeping similar to his vocals from Load, Reload, Garage Inc and St Anger. This is just all a rough interpretation so if someone else wants to say something too add onto it go right ahead.

I love Harvester of Sorrow because of it's beginning. Not just because, but majority. Shoot, I'm gonna look up how to play that right now actually.

I absolutely love Metallica. Metallica inspired me to pick up a guitar and introduced me to the majesty that is metal.

My favorite album as a whole has to Master of Puppets, but my favorite songs are No Remorse, The Four Horsemen, Blackened, Orion, To Live is to Die, Master of Puppets, One, and Fade to Black.

I truly believe that Cliff was the better bassist out of all FOUR Metallica bassists. I loved his style and his demeanor. Next was Jason, the way he played limited him, but he could still handle a bass, and he did have great backing vocals. I hate Rob in Metallica. I don't like the way he plays or anything.

Their albums sure have gone way down hill, but at least they can still put on a good live show. :cool:

I also wanted to add that back in high school with an old band of mine, we knew how to play a good majority of all Metallica songs.

I've never heard Ron McGovney play before, you have to admit Dave's prank was funny.

Metallica are pretty awesome. I like their old stuff, and albums like Black. I also bought the S&M DVD a few years ago, and thought that was really nice.

I really like all their old stuff (Ride the Lightning, Master of Puppets, And Justice For All, Black Album, etc..). I was really disappointed with St. Anger though. It seemed to not have any solo's, which is a major thing to me, especially coming from Metallica. The lyrics got repetitive and old really fast. The album just didn't have the same good Metallica sound from their works. Hopefully their next album will be better, at least better than St. Anger.

Yeah, if it's better then St Anger then it's enough to be considered great.

thats no entirely true shoden better then st anger doesnt mean great jsut like that.

i like almost every metallica album, except st anger for reasons stated above.


Oh and hearing the "new song" being played (heard it live and got it with my live at gelredome download) ( btw never thought i was ever going to pay for downloads) its good verry good, very good lyrics awesome riffs and a kickass solo, what mor edo you want :D

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thats no entirely true shoden better then st anger doesnt mean great jsut like that.

i like almost every metallica album, except st anger for reasons stated above.


Oh and hearing the "new song" being played (heard it live and got it with my live at gelredome download) ( btw never thought i was ever going to pay for downloads) its good verry good, very good lyrics awesome riffs and a kickass solo, what mor edo you want :D

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The new song is nothing great:rolleyes2

The lyrics sound alot like Frantic "Death is not the end" and crap like that. And James' voice KILLED the song even further........and there was TOO much riffing which repeated itself ALOT........and no great tempo changes :down:

80's Metallica = teh awesome.
90's Metallica = Not bad, not as good as their 80's thrash stuff.
New Metallica = just plain atrocious.

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thats no entirely true shoden better then st anger doesnt mean great jsut like that.

i like almost every metallica album, except st anger for reasons stated above.


Oh and hearing the "new song" being played (heard it live and got it with my live at gelredome download) ( btw never thought i was ever going to pay for downloads) its good verry good, very good lyrics awesome riffs and a kickass solo, what mor edo you want :D

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The new song is nothing great:rolleyes2

The lyrics sound alot like Frantic "Death is not the end" and crap like that. And James' voice KILLED the song even further........and there was TOO much riffing which repeated itself ALOT........and no great tempo changes :down:

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uhm in the versions you can download (recorded from out of the audiance) thats practicly the only thing you can hear. in the version from livemet its way better. dont judge something you cant hear all that well. and no in no way is this like frantic

The Download 2006 version of the song failed you need a good quality version of Rock am Ring 2006 to hear it well. If they can outbetter St Anger it will be considered great because it will show they want to get better and that they are trying to be the best they can. Earlier in the thread you said you didn't care about the vocals as long as they're grunty and shattering or something like that DK, why are you so obsessive with the vocals at the moment? Not anything like you said earlier. Lol, I'm being a pain in the ass for pointing that out, don't be surprised at all because it's nothing new. St Anger has a few good songs but they're amazing done live, if they could re record the album and act like it's live then it'd be better IMO.

since when did metallica anything that even sounds like grunting?


its best to get a remastered version like the ones you get at livemetallica.com.

I dunno, that confused me aswell and now DK is saying something elese which is confusing me further. I'll dload off Lmetallica once I get money.

I listen to all of their songs/albums, but I'm not a crazy rabid fan. I just like the music.

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I dunno, that confused me aswell and now DK is saying something elese which is confusing me further. I'll dload off Lmetallica once I get money.

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if you donwlaod i heard the donnington show was the best altough i prefer arnhem because ive went there and its just awesome.

Ok guys, 'll download that damn show:D and HOPE and SEE if it's any better than the youtube videos.

you wont be disapoited :D d oknow you need to pay for it :P:D

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you wont be disapoited :D d oknow you need to pay for it :P:D

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says who? I'm downloading it from the vault:cool:

They were the best headliners at Download festival. They were so much better then I expected :D (they should have been doing the main headline instead of Guns n Roses as they were awful)
Kill em all best album

I hate Metallica, always have and always will

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I hate Metallica, always have and always will

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NAPSTER??? :laugh:

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80's Metallica = teh awesome.
90's Metallica = Not bad, not as good as their 80's thrash stuff.
New Metallica = just plain atrocious.

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My thoughts exactly. With the exception of Bleeding Me, since it's my favorite Metallica song and I believe that came out in the 90's.

Even now Hetfield has a unique style of his own.

Cliff Burton was kinda a real wisdom god when alive, kinda a hippy
"Every once in awhile we may fall on our face, but we insist on doing what we wanna do."
Even then they played how they want to play "You don't burn out from going too fast.
You burn out from going too slow and getting bored." The boys should look back at Cliff's words of wisdom.

And to all of us for saying that Metallica need to change and stuff here's Cliff's words again throwing us in the ditch “We do what we wanna do--if they consider that selling out… Whatever.” this is the same arsonist of Hetfield's couch.

In my opinion, you really can't beat Blackened in terms of greatness.
I heard Between The Buried And Me covered that song, must be amazing.
And Holier Than Thou is by far the greatest song off of the black album.
:D

Their new stuff is ok but I like their old stuff better.

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my favourite from the AJFA album would by Dyer's Eve or Blackened because they're pure Thrash metal style songs, The Black Album had a few good songs such as Holier then thou and enter sandman but it's nothing special considering what they're capable of. But that's why Reload sucked so much (IMO). It was the most alternative rock style and far away from what Metallica were capable of compared to face shattering songs that are just plain sexy.

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i pretty much agree with what you said ... Dyer's Eve is one of the best songs ... (speed and dex wise) ...
and who here thinks someone is better than cliff burton (?) lol ... sure they are ... (nods to placate you)
hears the deal ... i am only 23 but ever since i was a fetus ... i listened to Metallica ... my mother went to a Metallica show when they open'd for OZZY when she was like 6 months i think ... i play guitar and i learn'd to play by playing Metallica ... i had so much respect for them as artists .
BTW there is no better way to Psych up than to play Fight fire with fire or Damage Inc. , etc -on the guitar to the song- (IMO) ... so ppl who talk about anything after black ... (and i only liked 4 songs off black ...) ...(And Enter Sandman is DEF. NOT ONE OF THEM) as being a favorite Metallica album , or greatest album ... i have to wonder ...
i do understand the whole experimenting thing ... but honestly ... Metallica isn't even about the music anymore ... why do you think they sux so damn much !!! they r just tryin to make a quick buck ...
Do i have to say it again ... (?) ANY BAND THAT SUES THEIR FANS CAN GO STR-8 TO HELL ! ...
and if i offended anyone ... i am not sorry ... feel free to flame me all you want ... i love a good fight ... and when they sue you ... lets hear if you sing a different tune.
In sumation ... i better stop before i go on a murderous rampage ...

Meh, it was only Lars Ulrich who launched the napster pursuit, Hetfield was in rehab and Kirk was staying out. There are better bassists now then Burton but not one of 'em in Metallica, Newsted was alright but Trujillo kicks his ass. I liked Enter Sandman and some of the Black album and some of load and st anger. They're not the worst music, but now that Bob Rock is gone there's room for change.

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Meh, it was only Lars Ulrich who launched the napster pursuit, Hetfield was in rehab and Kirk was staying out. There are better bassists now then Burton but not one of 'em in Metallica, Newsted was alright but Trujillo kicks his ass. I liked Enter Sandman and some of the Black album and some of load and st anger. They're not the worst music, but now that Bob Rock is gone there's room for change.

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I was so smurfing happy when Bob Rock left, that PANSY!

But sadly, James won't allow the album to get downright raw and metal as it should be, he'll still insist in the "we need to move on, we're a different MetallicA now" Bull SKULLS! :irked: judging by the "new song" it'll be a combo of Re-Load/StAnger/every other new bands out there.

I'm rooting for them, but until they impress me again I'll just continue to enjoy their first 5 albums.

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Meh, it was only Lars Ulrich who launched the napster pursuit, Hetfield was in rehab and Kirk was staying out. There are better bassists now then Burton but not one of 'em in Metallica, Newsted was alright but Trujillo kicks his ass. I liked Enter Sandman and some of the Black album and some of load and st anger. They're not the worst music, but now that Bob Rock is gone there's room for change.

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I was so smurfing happy when Bob Rock left, that PANSY!
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I have an estranged theory about him but not for here...

Well Raw metal is what we had on KEA, RTL and some of MOP, it's supposed to be influenced by RTL and MOP but it's supposed to be a mix of the black album, load, reload and st anger but all the good parts thrown into one album while influenced but their heavier periods of music. I'll get flamed and attacked by people if I say my Bob Rock theory.

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Meh, it was only Lars Ulrich who launched the napster pursuit, Hetfield was in rehab and Kirk was staying out. There are better bassists now then Burton but not one of 'em in Metallica, Newsted was alright but Trujillo kicks his ass. I liked Enter Sandman and some of the Black album and some of load and st anger. They're not the worst music, but now that Bob Rock is gone there's room for change.

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I was so smurfing happy when Bob Rock left, that PANSY!
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I have an estranged theory about him but not for here...

Well Raw metal is what we had on KEA, RTL and some of MOP, it's supposed to be influenced by RTL and MOP but it's supposed to be a mix of the black album, load, reload and st anger but all the good parts thrown into one album while influenced but their heavier periods of music. I'll get flamed and attacked by people if I say my Bob Rock theory.

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heh, I like their approach, but in the end all I care 'bout is if it's THRASHY enough for me...you the riffs and the way they SOUND and the drumming.......and the lyrics, if the lyrics is just a bunch of whining then "bye bye!"

I want it to be a combination of ...And Justice For All and The Black Album.

This is THE MetallicA thread, so you can go ahead and say your theory, we just all have to respect it.

Ok, my theory is quite stupid. Bob most likely did something stupid and I think he was a bit bent as you may say. Well you know that Hetfield blew his voice out on the Black Album, if you've heard the way he's been singing recently live you'll see what he can do when he tries hard enough. I hope the album is going to have a theme, like MOP, AJFA and St Anger.

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Ok, my theory is quite stupid. Bob most likely did something stupid and I think he was a bit bent as you may say. Well you know that Hetfield blew his voice out on the Black Album, if you've heard the way he's been singing recently live you'll see what he can do when he tries hard enough. I hope the album is going to have a theme, like MOP, AJFA and St Anger.

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lol, nah, I don't think Bob would be THAT dumb/un-moral...but who knows :laugh:

I used to post and discuss a lot in the MetallicA forum and many of them said that Bob was starting to produce for MANY other bands and really didn't have time or dedication to make another MetallicA album so they split.