Ultimecia

Sorry if this has been posted before.

I read in a plot analysis a theory that Rinoa is infact Ultimecia. IT gaves ideas of alternate universes spawned through time travel etc, however, I wanted to ask, do you think there is any merit to the idea rinoa could be ultimecia?

At first I thought maybe Ellone could be here...Odine is egotistical and assumes Ultimecia is using his machine, however we don't know this. Who else can go back in time? Ellone. That explains how she knows of Ellone.

However, if she was Ellone, what is she doing? She needs Ellone to go back further, if she is Ellone, she should be able to. Say she went back however and used the Ellone of the past to send her (possessing Adel) further into the past, a past which Ellone would not have been able to go.

It is something to discuss, not saying this is my view by the way.

Now as for Rinoa. Two things struck me. The first is on the Ragnarok when she says something along the lines of "I don't want the future, I want time to stay still" to Squall. Sounds like time compression baby.

Also, right at the end of disk 3 it says Ultimecia wants the sorceresses to be one. Now, to be one you need to pass the powers on. If there was only 1 in this time, then she must get them from that one or whom that one gave them to, or it was because she wanted to be the only one. It is possible she could be Adel too, or a mix of them both, making them one....

Thoughts?

Rinoa is not Ultimecia and PuPu is the true hero of FF VIII.

Well, this has indeed been posted a kazillion times before, but of course not your fault, so don't worry. Now, there really isn't any merit at all to Rinoa being Ultimecia. That Plot Analysis you read is quite frankly awful in its section on Ultimecia and alternate universes etc. Several blatant mistakes and bad arguments and so on. For a much more detailed and comprehensive breakdown of R=U read the R=U section in the "Time/Ultimecia Plot FAQ" found here:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/psx/game/197343.html

ie. where the other FAQ you read is.

Now, I know I co-authored the FAQ, so it probably sounds like I'm blowing my own horn or whatever, but I'm quite confident that it gives a more logical approach to the whole issue.

Now, as for Ellone being Ultimecia, that is definitely not plausible either, I'm afraid. There's nothing that indicates it, and Ellone isn't even a sorceress...

EDIT: If you want the simple explanation as to why R=U has no merit by the way, the Marginally Official FF8 FAQ thread summarises the basic argument from the FAQ as such:

The FFVIII Ultimania guidebook is an official publication containing detailed background information on Final Fantasy VIII. According to this guide, the sorceresses in FFVIII have normal human lifespans. As Ultimecia lives "many generations in the future", it is highly unlikely (since this is a game that involves magic, after all) that she and Rinoa are the same individual.

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Odine is egotistical and assumes Ultimecia is using his machine, however we don't know this.

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Exactly Odine only ASSUMES how Ultimecia can exist in present,however his assumption is wrong.Just read Rev of the Truth thread to more detail.

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http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/psx/game/197343.html

ie. where the other FAQ you read is.

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That FAQ is failed to explain TC.The explanation about TC in that FAQ is wrong,so just read "Revelation of Time Compression" thread.

On the FAQ I could of sworn I read something about a question about Rinoa being Ultemecia?

Hmm..I dont remember..

But you could look there. It's the FAQ for FFVIII. :)

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Originally Posted by Viator

That FAQ is failed to explain TC.The explanation about TC in that FAQ is wrong,so hust read "Revelation of Time Compression" thread.

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Neither do yours.

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Neither do yours.

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That means you dont understand My explanation.
I recommend you to peruse it because you cant understand it if you just read once.

Alright, Viator, I think everyone realises by now that you have a thread about time compression, so no need to mention it anymore, we get it. This thread was meant to be about Rinoa and Ultimecia, last time I checked.

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Originally Posted by Viator

That means you dont understand My explanation.
I recommend you to peruse it because you cant understand it if you just read once.

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That's also mean you dun understand my post either. I STRONGLY recommend you to peruse it because you can't understand it if you just read once.

Actually the explanation about TC can explain everything about Rinoa and Ultimecia,you just dont get it.

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That's also mean you dun understand my post either. I STRONGLY recommend you to peruse it because you can't understand it if you just read once.

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Whatever.

There was already a thread about U=R the guy who made it was banned:eep:

I already thought it was made clear that Rinoa wasn´t Ultimecia in that thread.

That's true,Rinoa cant be Ultimecia because

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Originally Posted by Viator

Well there's only two person can prove who Ultimecia is beside Ultimecia herself.
Edea and Rinoa
If Rinoa is Ultimecia that means Edea already know right away when she sees Rinoa.But Edea doesnt know anything about Rinoa.That means Rinoa CANT be Ultimecia.
When Rinoa and Edea get possesessed by Ultimecia they only know that there's a sorceress called Ultimecia inside their body.So this prove that Ultimecia = Ultimecia.

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If you check the U=R theory you will find a lot of info which will help you see that U does not equal Rinoa.

P.S: i still think Ultimecia=Quistis

The Ultimania guide states that sorceresses have normal human life-spans. Rinoa cannot live into the time of Ultimecia and 'become' her. As much as I think that would be a cool plot twist, there's no mention of it in the game, and the Ultimania guide basically debunks any theories on it.

Yes, I'm well aware that someone may quote me with whatever insane theory they have, but it isn't my fault people can't leave things as they are.

Fair enough guys. This isn't my feeling, just an exploration of a much covered idea, tis all.

Thanks for the info on th guide, it makes more sense. As we don't know how far in the future Ultimecia is etc, it heps to know this and I am glad as I had my suspicions (plot analysis was from gamefaqs).

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Originally Posted by Christmas

Rinoa is not Ultimecia and PuPu is the true hero of FF VIII.

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Why does anyone have to be Ultimecia?

I think originally the R=U debate came into existence because FFVIII couldn't stand the fact that Ultimecia was such a shallow, uninteresting villain. Although why they thought that a villain needs a "lolz dark past" to excel as an antagonist is beyond me.

Yeah it's just fans making stuff up so they have a reason to kill her. Ultimecia is what she is. Nobody believes my theory that Quistis is Ultimecia... The letters Q and U always go together, so Q=U. My logic is flawless and accurate.

How about U=U and R=R. Remember in the game someone said Ultimecia lives too far in the future for any of them to exist. OOH CANDY! Who was the first person to think of this idea anyway? I find it kind of funny.

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