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U2 sold their soul to Apple a while ago and is the epitome of a sell-out now. I hate U2 wish a passion and I'm glad that someone called them on it, but I wish it was someone other than RHCP, which many argue have sold-out as well. I have a feeling that RHCP made the claim in a "You're a bigger sell-out then we are" manner.
This is not the first time U2 have been called sell-outs. Sinéad O'Connor accused them of the same thing ten years ago, and apparently, many others have called them the exact same thing.
U2 is not a very popular band inside of the music industry.
Thats news to me about Black Eyed Peas. I knew about U2 selling to Apple, not BEP.
U2? Smurf, if I were to call them out on something, it'd be Bono's charity whoring for free publicity.
I agree.
Bono is a very shady guy, and I just can't stand him. >O
It would have been better if they'd called them a pile of crap.
I have been calling U2 sell-outs for a long time. Seeing that somebody famous—somebody famous that I actually have heard of—is a comforting to me. Because, you know. I'm a slut for fame.
As far as RHCP selling out and making claim to "You're a bigger sell-out then we are"; yeah, I'd say so. But they're right. RHCP is far from the plateau of sell-outage that U2 is on. I mean I'm not too educated on the subject I am just making this up from things I've heard. But U2 really does seem like the cover girl for selling-out.
Even if it is just like the "that kid has more snot on his face than I do" argument.
good on them.
To reiterate: the news of somebody who is "somebody" calling U2 sell-outs has made my day. Before you snaggle me up remember that's just me. I've never heard of Sinéad O'Connor. Not that anyone tells me stuff, anyway. This is the most news I'll ever get.
Plus RHCP makes better music than U2.
imho
I dislike the criticism bands get for "selling out", since a lot of it is unjustified whining. But if ever a band did sell out, it's U2.
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Originally Posted by Meat Puppet
That's m'boys!
And yes, RHCP have been money-whores at times, but U2 beats theout of them in terms of whorage.
Plus, it doesn't help U2 that their recent stuff... you know, sucked.
I'm sure I heard Let Me Stand Next To Your Fire in a truck commercial about six or seven years ago.
Nooothing compares... nothing compares... to you... :cry:Quote:
Originally Posted by Meat Puppet
I hate people who whine about so-and-so selling out. They're in the business to make money. No one with any ambition would make music for pennies just because they love the music. If I had an opportunity to make lots of money without hurting anyone, then I'd do it. U2 isn't hurting anyone. I don't really give a hoot whether they have a special Ipod dedicated to them. It really doesn't matter to me.
I feel exactly the same way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Miriel
They made the music, and they have a right to do whatever the heck they want with it. If they want to sell it to a big corporation like Apple to make ads with, more power to them. I'd kill to be able to do that. Well, not really.
Also, zomg, RHCP sold their soul to Saban and 20th Century Fox! They allowed "Higher Ground" to be played in Mighty Morphin Power Rangers: The Movie. What sell-outs.
Yeah, I feel the same way as well. I still think U2 sux, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Miriel
RHCP said it? It must be true.
I totaly agree. Dislike U2 or not, there the ones making the money, and only when your in a multi-million deal can you really comment on whats being asked here. I like U2, i like there music, and i really dont agree with them being called 'sell-outs', and too the idiot who said that Bono is only using the whole 'charity' issue as a way to gain more of a celebrity status, that is bogus, and down right wrong. The guy might be one of the only people in the world who's in a position to actually make a real differance in the 3rd world countries. If you don't have any more important ideas than saving mass human life than give the guy a break.Quote:
Originally Posted by Miriel
I respect the hell out-a Sin'ead O'Connor ... i also like her music !Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris
it took alot of guts to do what she did ... and it killed her career as a musician.
After Dave N~ left the band RHCP have gone back to crappy under the bridge type crap (except now its about California ... or is it Kalifornia(?)) ... one of those crappy songs plays ever 10 secs. on the radio and every time you hear it ... it swallows a peice of your soul ! there is no doubt RHCP are sell outs ... U2 sold out before the Apple thing ... and who honestly believes U2 ... or RHCP for that matter writes all 'Their' (a relative term) material.
So many ppl use ghost writers (ppl who do the work but don't receive credit for it) these days ... so they can look like its all original crap rather than someone elses crap their singin'.
And i guess i am a moron cause my group writes all original material (music and lyrics) and i have given away so many cd's cause for me and my group its all about the music !
We just want ppl to hear our music !
You have made an enemy today. >_>Quote:
Originally Posted by Fuego
[QUOTE=Fuego]I garantee if somebody came up to you with a $50,000 contract, you'd sign it in a heartbeat. If you have to give your music away in order for someone to listen to it, it must not be all that great.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris
And ghost writers? What the hell?
[QUOTE=Spaceman Spiff]I own my own record label ... i give away music as a promo (which i have had one person in the lot say it was good just not their cup of tea, everyone else loved it) ... i wouldn't sign a contract cause i don't want to be told how to write and record ... the 'it must not be good' comment is probly just cause i said your fav band sux ... u can listen to my music on another thread on this forum and tell me how bad i suck (go ahead ... i'll be right here, trying to stop laughing so hard, so i can answer the phone). and just because you never heard of it doesn't mean it doesn't exist .... (ghost writing) ... (although i wonder why that could be ...)Quote:
Originally Posted by Fuego
Sorry Roto ... i will do my best not to loose sleep over it >.<
and thanx for the post Spaceman ... i needed a good laugh :p
not everyone is a Greedy SOB ...
U2 are rock legends and they can do whatever they want, including make warmed-over crap albums like their latest, put their name on an iPod, and whatever else. RHCP are if anything jealous that they haven't reached the heights U2 have.
I find it pretty sad when people equate success to selling out. Wow, someone signs a recording contract, and they're sellouts. That's bull.
So what if they sold out? "It's all about the music" is often the thinking of those who don't wish to make a living out of their passion/People who can't make a living out of their passion because they are crap.
I can see a problem when we have "Jenny From The Block" style posturing in bands, but while we don't have that: Is it a problem? It's not like Bono is saying he's poor like Lars Ulrich. Complaining about it won't change the fact the money makes the world go around. I'd sign that recording contract in a second, and so would many of us.
I think we should just chill out and relax about this sort of thing. "Sell Outs"? My Arse.
Exactly. It can still be about the music, even if you're getting paid for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by roto13-ness
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Originally Posted by Doomie
I guess i am different from u guys then ... cause i do wanna make music a full time thing for me ... but not at the expense of ditchin' my Morals and its not that i can't do it ... (due to lack of tallent) i just refuse to become one of those ppl . I pitty u guys who agree with Jack ... and the whole money makes the world go round mentality ... cause life is too short to be a money grubbing ass monger ... if you don't have passion about what you're doing then you've already sold out !Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack
And CAN is the operative word Spaceman ... they CAN ... but do they
Again, you can have passion for doing something as still make money off it. Artists in any field do it. Making money doesn't make the quality of what you're doing any less unless you personally degrade it. If, for some reason, the presence of money makes you write
Attaching your music to products and such, THAT is selling out. But making music and getting money for it? Nah.
Why is signing a recording contract immoral?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fuego
Being passionate about what you do, and doing it for the sake of the music and what it means (which is what music is to me, and is precisely why I listen to the music I do) and making money are not mutually exclusive, which you seem to think they are.
I perform music, too, though I'm just a beginner at really learning how to perform, and the most important thing to me is not to make money, but to communicate with people. If I ever got a chance to sign a recording contract, I sure as hell would do it. It would give me a much larger opportunity to communicate. I honestly don't know much about U2, but from what I do know about them and based on Bono's charity work, they are pretty sincere in their efforts.
I don't know why ppl r thinking i am saying that if you sign a contract your a sell out ... cause i am not .Quote:
Originally Posted by Spaceman SpiffAgain, you can have passion for doing something as still make money off it. Artists in any field do it. Making money doesn't make the quality of what you're doing any less unless you personally degrade it. If, for some reason, the presence of money makes you write
Attaching your music to products and such, THAT is selling out. But making music and getting money for it? Nah.
i was speaking about myself ... i do things differently ... i said signing contract would be bad for me cause i do things my way ... nobody elses. and if i were under contract that would skrew me.
i don't hate money ... i just hate some of the things most ppl do to get it ... and selling out (ok ... i am gonna spell it out for you all now ...) is when you r more interested in the money than the quality of the product. Attaching your name to a product is called endorsement if you or your music sux then your selling out . (maybe)
& NOT THAT YOU ARE MEDIOCRE MUSICIAN AND MAKING MONEY ... money doesn't give you talent ... but talent makes money ...
so quit misquoting me !
and Kirobaito ... good luck to you on the music ... but you don't know what i am talking about ... i didn't say signing a contract is immoral ... lust of money is though !
and i don't think passion and making money are "Mutually Exclusive"
Do the elementary schools still teach reading comprehension (?)
I don't know, do they teach grammar and punctuation?
Agreed. THat's the point I was trying to make.Quote:
i don't hate money ... i just hate some of the things most ppl do to get it ... and selling out (ok ... i am gonna spell it out for you all now ...) is when you r more interested in the money than the quality of the product.
Sure. And endorsement can be viewed as selling out. A company comes to you and says "We'll give you so much money if we can use your song in our diaper commercial" and you say "okee dokee gimmie the check", I'd say that's selling out.Quote:
Attaching your name to a product is called endorsement
The quality of the music has nothing to do with selling out. You can be the poster-child of suckitude, but if you believe in your music, you aren't a sell-out.Quote:
if you or your music sux then your selling out . (maybe)
Ok, then I have my answer. Yes I did learn grammar and punctuation ... however why waste my Time?
No wonder ppl think i think signing a contract is selling out .
Thank you for giving an example of Misquoting.
"i don't hate money ... i just hate some of the things most ppl do to get it ... and selling out (ok ... i am gonna spell it out for you all now ...) is when you r more interested in the money than the quality of the product."
**Agreed. THat's the point I was trying to make. --- Sure it is ...
"Attaching your name to a product is called endorsement."
**Sure. And endorsement can be viewed as selling out. A company comes to you and says "We'll give you so much money if we can use your song in our diaper commercial" and you say "okee dokee gimmie the check", I'd say that's selling out. --- or was it this point you've been struggling to drive home ?
"if you or your music sux then your selling out . (maybe)"
**The quality of the music has nothing to do with selling out. You can be the poster-child of suckitude, but if you believe in your music, you aren't a sell-out. --- Misquote
Thank you again . Also this is a perfect example of (at least the original post) Reading Comprehension - because "& NOT THAT YOU ARE MEDIOCRE MUSICIAN AND MAKING MONEY ... money doesn't give you talent ... but talent makes money ..." was the rest of it so I can't respond to half reasoned arguments based on half of what i actually said.
Clearly this is a waste of my time (going back and forth about 2 bands i really don't care about and only listen to their music to get my Chica in the mood)
So you keep supporting whatever it is you have convinced yourself is real ...
I can't reason out fragmented arguments based off two words i actually used.
*** oh yea ... please don't check out my music because you wouldn't understand it. Or at the very least, Misquote me.***
Because it would help you sound like an adult.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fuego
I'm sure he could understand your music. Unless it sounds like one of your posts. In that case, it's entirely your fault.
And i need to impress you because ... (?)Quote:
Originally Posted by roto13-ness
Don't all jump at once to answer .
And Kudos to you Roto you can jump on the band wagon and attack something you don't understand ! :)
Yea You !
Oh yea i bet you guys would except, Comprehension is a big thing in my music ... if you don't have it then poor you.
I was actually about to go listen to it, but you went and edited it away five minutes ago. =\Quote:
Originally Posted by Fuego
its not your style Kirobaito.
its rock and you said you don't like hard or heavy music .
Skrew it ... here check it out .
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page...m?bandID=90872
the blue music link is at the top.
please leave feed back ... i am curious now to see what transpires .
Although i will tell you now . Its nothing like RHCP or U2 .
The three with pics are goin on album ... the one on top was recorded live. two i am workin on ... just askin feedback on it ... i am not too comfy doin dance but it may turn out cool (?)
all the rest are not goin on album ... just songs i had alot of fun working on and decided to put up.
It's not selling out unless you change your art (Be it music, writing, whatever) to get more money. And even that's usually understandable - unless it changed the meaning of my book, I'd change a few things if it'd get me £50,000 more or something. So would most of us. And of course, it only actually matters if you change it if it becomes worse, which is a fairly subjective standard anyway.
Besides, if someone's making millions of dollars I really don't think they care if they're accused of being sellouts.
Kettle. Pot. Black. 'nuff said.
Okay first off, it's very heard to correctly read and understand what you are typing when your sentence structure, grammar, etc is God-awful. You dont help me understand you when you type like a seventh-grade flukie. You talk all high and mighty about how we have no reading comprehention, when you have absolutly no writing skills at all. Your posts are confusing messes with sentences on different lines, ellipses coming out the ass, no structure at all. Please. Type normally so that I can understand what you're trying to say.
Second, now you're just trying to piss me off. I agree with you and you respond with a snot remark. How mature.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fuego
[/quote] or was it this point you've been struggling to drive home ?[/quote]
... don't get what you're trying to say here. Yes, that is a point I am struggling to make. Attaching your song or whatever to a product for money is a form of selling out.
When you put a complete sentences on two different lines, I get confused, I'm sorry. I have this thing where I read like a normal person that screws with me everytime someone without typing skills comes onto the internet. In any case, the sentence "If you or your music suck then you're selling out, and not that you are a mediocre musician and making money. Money doesn't give you talent, but talent makes money." I agree with the second point, yes. That part is pretty obvious. But, I can't make heads or tails of your first point. From what I can infer through my reading comprehention, (Which I scored in the 96th percentile in High School, so shut up about that), you say in a litteral sense "If you are a bad musician, you are a sellout, and not that you are average and making money" I still don't get it. Can you please re-word this for me?Quote:
"if you or your music sux then your selling out . (maybe)"
**The quality of the music has nothing to do with selling out. You can be the poster-child of suckitude, but if you believe in your music, you aren't a sell-out. --- Misquote
Thank you again . Also this is a perfect example of (at least the original post) Reading Comprehension - because "& NOT THAT YOU ARE MEDIOCRE MUSICIAN AND MAKING MONEY ... money doesn't give you talent ... but talent makes money ..." was the rest of it so I can't respond to half reasoned arguments based on half of what i actually said.
I'm having a tough time fragmenting argument off any of the words you've used.Quote:
I can't reason out fragmented arguments based off two words i actually used.
I wouldn't understand it or misquote you. Okay.Quote:
*** oh yea ... please don't check out my music because you wouldn't understand it. Or at the very least, Misquote me.***
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I am listening to you music right now. I was intregued, specially since you label it as Industrial, which I love.
I promise you I am listening to it unbiased as I can possibly get. Before I start please remember the term contructive criticism. I'm not bagging on you. I'm giving you my honest opinion.
Dryf**k: I'm listening it it and it seem to be very disjointed and confusing. It is very hard hitting, which is great but it just sounds like a mess. It defiantly needs to be cleaned up and composed a little bit more, so that it flows. You're obviously NIN influenced, among others, and with Trent, his songs do at times go off an confusing tangents, but they always fall back in place to rock it out. Dryf**k sounds like a jumble of jams trying to fit together but not quite making it. I'm not too impressed by this one, I'm sorry to say.
Come Back Lunacy: This one flows a little better than the previous one, but again, nothing I'm too impressed by. It just seems lacking... something. I'm sorry I don't know what though. I can defiantly hear the sense of embedding madness you're trying to convey, but again it feels like it lacking something. I was thinking maybe some distorted guitar riffs in the background to complement the keyboard. Also, I think if you sped up the tempo a little it's give you more of that "I'm going smurfin' nuts here" feeling. Or perhaps progressively speed it up, y'know?
I skipped down a few. I'm not going to listen to them all, since I need sleep.
Knowledge: The beginning was a little slow, and I was thinking "Borrrrring", then the guitar riff came in, and I began to get into it. It was a good riff! Then it goes away. to more slow beats. Then picks up, then drops off. I'm not saying this is a bad thing, except it happens to quickly. As soon and I start getting into one part of the song, it stops and goes to something completely different, and it becomes very annoying. The trasitions don't flow that well either which bugged me a little. I think I liked this song best so far, but it's still pretty meh. The voices were pretty odd. I mean the far that they were so high and so low made them seem kind of comical and ultimatly took away from the overall song. Again, I feel this song could be a little bit more composed and cleaned up, and could be something good after that.
Metal Anarchy: Do you use a drum machine? I think if you used real drums, you could make these songs a lot better. This song would defiantly benefit from a ton more bass. Again the lowered and goofy mixing of the vocals and really took away from the song. I actually liked this one sans the drum machine and and vocals.
And that's all I want to listen to for now. It's not bad, but it's nothing I'd put on my iPod or anything.
thank you for the feedback
i know some of the songs are rough still, i plan to go back and mix them down
BTW Dryf**K was recorded live and untouched since, also the name may be a hint for the impending doom of the song on your eardrums
(i will not post more on that subject because everything was already posted.)
Second, Grats on turning 21. So you're a leo. Hope you had fun and didn't end up in jail. i have seen it happen before (and not to me)
Finaly ... i wasn't trying to piss you off or be snotty. It was just an added bonus ;)
(and grats on 96th percentile in High School)
The big point here lies in what comes first, the music or the cash. Honestly, the best way i can explain is to not even use music in the example.
Miami Ink. Miami Ink is the epitomy of the "sell out" description. Oh, we love the tattoo culture, and we love art, and we respect our clients. Anyone that's in south florida get a picture, and take it to Miami Ink and ask for a price quote for it. Now walk out of the shop. Go two blocks down, to Mosh Pit tattoo and piercing. get a price quote. Now LAUGH. LAUGH hard at Miami Ink's absurd price quote, which i GUARANTEE will be at LEAST double, possibly as much as 10 times the quote from mosh pit. now, just to prove the point, go to Waldo's tattoo in Little Haiti. walk South Beach and get quotes. all of them will be fairly similar, except for Miami Ink's. Miami Ink's work is no better, and they should actually be cheaper IMO, they're getting paid an assload by TLC for that retarded show anyway, that should help bring down the fee's for average joe tattoo guy. bottom line is, Those guys tattoo to MAKE MONEY, not because they love the art. They opened a shop, and had lined up a TV show before it even opened. They've been in operation less than a Two Years, and they're all young bucks in the tattoo game, yet they act as if they can charge 10x more for a tat than anyone else regardless of age, talent, history, or shop reputation.
That's what makes a sell out. Money over art, or Art over Money. Roger Waters is a douche, but when he sold overpriced tickets to the Wall, it was because the show production cost that much, not because he wanted to line his pockets. When U2 or Madonna have these absurd ticket prices for a concert with little more than standard lights and pyrotechnics? Sell Outs.