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Watchit, now! And you can see the errors (or what laffy thinks are errors :p), my most major concern is the fact that Kadaj summons with All Materia(blue, instead of red for people who enjoy the colours)! True enough he might have put some more in when we weren't looking, but come on!
And... technically shouldn't Cloud be practically immune to Geostigma? As he was a Sephiroth clone and as such is partly Jenova? Just a thought...
Argue as you so desire
Blue materia isn't necessarily "All". It's the colour for any Support materia, like Quadra Magic or MP Turbo. That's just me being pedantic but there we are. :p
well pedanticised (is that even a word?)
Wasn't it revealed in the lifestream with tifa scene that he wasn't a clone, just an idiot?Quote:
Originally Posted by Laugh at face of Danger
But I agree that there were plenty of errors.
Yes, because the movie just has to be absolutely perfect so that fans don't delve into these things further than necessary. Yep. :cat:
Just because he is seen absorbing a blue materia doesn't mean that is the only one he used. I'm sure he had a red one in his arm too, we just didn't see him put it in. What is so outrageous about that? We don't need to see everything that goes on behind the scenes.
Actually Griff, Cloud was the only successful Sephiroth "Clone". Since he was the only one to make it to the Reunion in the game.
He was infused with Jenova cells and he suffered from Mako poisoning, that's not gonna make him immune.
I don't wanna get into the whole materia thing. They were huge in the movie, and I thought they were actually supposed to be marble-sized... How else would you fit ALL of those in your weapon and armlet?
Sadly, this is not correct. You see what color of Materia is active at a specific time, as shown with Yazoo and Loz near the end. We see that Kadaj has a blue/green (I thought it was green, some say blue, so whatever) glow on his arm, implying that materia color is being used. Therefore, he is using that color materia to summon Bahamut SinQuote:
Originally Posted by Xurts
The glow on Kadaj's arm was different from Yazoo and Loz's at the end. The materia that Yazoo and Loz had in there arms was actually glowing in their arms, you could the individual materia that they had. But with Kadaj, his arm was letting off some sort of blue-green flame. The same flame can be seen when he is talking to the children at the Forgotten City. And I doubt he is using materia then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Halenite
I think that Kadaj's blue-green flames look an awful lot like the Spirit Energy that emits from Cloud when he is using a Limit.
But just to humor you all, maybe it's a new kind of materia. There. There's an explanation.Quote:
Originally Posted by The revised edition of my above post
[QUOTE=Zeromus_X]I agree. People look too much into thses things. Just sit back and enjoy the show people.:cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by The revised edition of my above post
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Originally Posted by Xurts
Actually, you do see the blueish flame around yazoo and loz's arm at the end.
The "flame" around him in the forgotten city, I admit, it doesn't look like he's using materia here. Not sure about that.
Also, I'm not gonna let it go mainly because I like debating these kinds of things, lol
I agree. Maybe blue's the new red, and Bahamut SIN is fashionable. You never know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeromus_X
They do have the flames. I never noticed that before.Quote:
Originally Posted by Halenite
Perhaps Kadaj, Loz, and Yazoo have to use their own Spirit Energy to use materia? They aren't normal humans, so maybe they don't have MP? Kadaj's flames in the Forgotten City would make more sense then. He wasn't using materia but instead his own Spirit Energy.
Hmm?
its probably a new sort of materia. after all there isnt a bahamut sin materia in the game. im sure that if you think about it the materias shown in the game arent all of the different types in the world.
Bahamut Sin is obviously new, since it wasn't in the game. Summon materia is always red. So the materia Kadaj inserted into his arm in the Forgotten City could not have been Bahamut Sin, but some other type of Support materia.Quote:
Originally Posted by boys from the dwarf
That would make sense, we don't know everything about the SHM so...Quote:
Originally Posted by Xurts
to be honest, this theory is one of the better ones I've heard.
Just because it wasn't in the game doesn't necessarily mean it's new. I mean, there's no possible way the team could've gotten every single materia in the world is there? We do know, however, that it is unlikely that the box Loz took from the church (the one with the materia) contained the Bahamut Sin. Unfortunately, we do not know where Kadaj got it from. We also know (more than likely, this is true anyway), from the debate between me and Xurtz, that Bahamut Sin WAS, however summoned using a blue or green materia (I again, I say either/or because I think it's green, others think it's blue) meaning it isn't necessarily a summon Materia.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xurts
I do have another theory, however. We do know the SHM are remnants of Sephiroth. We truly don't know what these three are truly capable of. It's possible that Kadaj may have CREATED the Bahamut Sin.
Any thoughts?
If Cloud didn't find it, then I doubt Kadaj did. The movie happens 2 years after the game, so it is perfectly likely that Cloud/Avalanche found it and put it in the box. If it wasn't in the box, then I don't know how else Kadaj would've gotten a hold of it. I doubt that he went searching for Materia after he escaped the Northern Crater.Quote:
Originally Posted by Halenite
Yeah, I suppose that's possible. If he didn't take it from Cloud's stock, then this would explain how he got it, and also why it is green instead of red.Quote:
Originally Posted by Halenite
Or perhaps, the blue color just looked better than the red in the movie. This movie is very heavy on blue and the red may just have clashed horribly with the rest of the background. That's what I think.
And everyone keep in mind that a lot of the materia found in the game was not the right color for that particular materia when it was on the ground. (such as the Double-Cut looked purple on the ground but should be yellow). Take this as you wil.
When was Double-Cut ever confirmed even being used?
No; Halenite, I just meant that in the game the color of a materia, when found on the ground, often did not correspond to the real type of materia. For example, Double-Cut, when on the floor, was purple, an independant materia. However, it is really a yellow, and therefore a Command, materia. The colors just got mixed up, that's all. I never meant that Double-Cut was used in the movie. Just that colors of materia often get jumbled up.
Anyways, my point was that, 1)maybe it was blue because it looked better than red. and 2)materia colors in the game got mixed up often. Why not have the same thing happen in the movie?
Making it blue instead of read just because it would look "better" doesn't make much sense. Square had to have known that all summon materia was red, and making it blue for the fact that it might look nicer would cause more problems than just leaving it the way it should be. A fan of the game would be a lot more likely to ask "why is that materia blue and not red, the color it should be?" rather than "I don't like that color, even though that's what all summon materia are. I think it would look nicer if it was blue."Quote:
Originally Posted by Dragon Mage
FF7 came out in 1997, so minor graphical flaws like that are understandable, especially since it was the first 3D FF. AC, however, was using state-of-the-art CGI technology. I doubt it would have a flaw like that considering how fantastic the rest of the movie looks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dragon Mage
Actually, im pretty sure Kadaj gets the Bahamut Sin materia from the box which Loz finds in the church. Reason? Kadaj picks up a materia (that is blueish green in colour) out of that box and puts it in his arm while at the forgotten city, and he says "this is what brother was hiding from us... with this materia, we'll obtain a new strength". His arm then glows a blueish green (more green) in exactly the same way as before he summons bahamut sin.Quote:
Originally Posted by Halenite
as for the glowing flames around the SHM, i agree with Xurts that it has probably got something to do with the fact that they are not ordinary humans or something...
But summon materia is red. Unless of course they decide to argue the toss that Sin materia is blue. ¬_¬
Until this day, i'll sit on my high horse.
I meant 'better' in the sense that red didn't look as cool as the blue. The blue looked cooler and so they used the blue. I didn't mean it as a personal preference. Just that blue looked more erie/cool/magicy, whatever, blue just looked better in the way that it was being used than red. And if it looked nicer and achieved the desired affect more efficently than red, than it was used instead.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dragon Mage:
1)maybe it was blue because it looked better than red.
Making it blue instead of read just because it would look "better" doesn't make much sense. Square had to have known that all summon materia was red, and making it blue for the fact that it might look nicer would cause more problems than just leaving it the way it should be. A fan of the game would be a lot more likely to ask "why is that materia blue and not red, the color it should be?" rather than "I don't like that color, even though that's what all summon materia are. I think it would look nicer if it was blue."
I mentioned this as an idle afterthought. I knew that there was probably no weight to mentioning this but I threw it out there just to see what others might say. You could say that I was thinking aloud. Please don't take it seriously.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dragon Mage:
and 2)materia colors in the game got mixed up often. Why not have the same thing happen in the movie?
FF7 came out in 1997, so minor graphical flaws like that are understandable, especially since it was the first 3D FF. AC, however, was using state-of-the-art CGI technology. I doubt it would have a flaw like that considering how fantastic the rest of the movie looks.
I will again mention that blue was probably used because it achieves the desired affect better than red, and was used instead of red to make the movie look as fantastic as it does now, as you yourself said.
Well, if you're right and that's why Square used a different color, then that was a pretty foolish move on their part. They had to have known that fans of the game would notice the wrong color. Creating inconsistencies just to have a more "magical" color? I hope not, Square. There has to be a better explanation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dragon Mage
Sorry, I tend to take things too seriously often.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dragon Mage
I agree. When I first watched the movie I thought, "Wait, he can't do that, the materia isn't red! I couldn't possibly be summon materia!" Not to mention that later Kadaj cast lightning with the same materia and was throwing around energy orbs of destruction at the church: with that one materia. (Master materia?) I was a little ticked that they didn't stick to the rules they made in the game when making the movie.Quote:
Well, if you're right and that's why Square used a different color, then that was a pretty foolish move on their part. They had to have known that fans of the game would notice the wrong color.
Except they didn't even stick to those rules in the game. How many blue 'yellow' materia, yellow 'purple', yellow 'blue', etc. materia did you find over the course of the game, which were one color on the worldmap, and another in a menu?
I agreed with Dragon Mage. Red color materia probably won't fit the overall color scheme of the scene.
Another reason might be bahamut shin is splitting blue flame, hence the blue materia.
Maybe Square just likes the color blue whats wrong with that? :confused:
you knwo you do get the bahamut zero materia from the blue huge materia in ff7 not that that really has much to do with the color of it but just thought id throw that into the mix :p .
also really cloud is not a clone. i mean look at the facts he was not created from sephiroth DNA. he was a guy who was injected with large amounts of Jenova DNA and large amounts of MAKO. makeing him stronger then average soldier.
It could ahve been one of the key item materia/s that you get in the game, they don't have to follow the color chart because they are special :choc2:
You have to master every type of materia to get the master ones from the huge materia. So that means they have to find every type of materia. Of course, this was not essential in the game so they might have left it out. Just putting out my opinion.