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Cloud - An part of an elite group...Blond Hair...Blue Eyes...NAZI!
Barret - Big Black man that is fairly Ignorant, has a gun, tattos and is from the ghetto...RACIST!
Yuffie is the only asian looking character in the game and her whole town is all about ninja [img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img]...RACIST!
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Everything you need to know about FFVII and racism.: http://forums.eyesonff.com/showthread.php?t=82019
Dang. I knew I should have done a search but I just didn't think other people knew and I was hoping they would get more creative and mention some of the other ones.
Why would we be creative?
People abuse Kitten Sith! :nonono: :cat: :nonono: They need to pay for being mean to such a kitty! :nonono:
Because it is fun? It is like being a stand up comedian.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flying Mullet
meh, i thought cloud actually had silver eyes, anyways he's a clone. so he's also a sin. the worlds not perfect.
hey, at least this game had a playable black guy *coughs at the rest of the ff series*
yeah,i noticed that none of the other ff's had a black guy:eep:Quote:
Originally Posted by Laugh at face of Danger
Kiros, and possibly Zande, even thought you don't play as him.
i knew that was about to happen Ž_Ž
true,but thats only 3!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeromus_X
and theres theres 13 ff's
There are no indian ppl either.
Lack of ethnical diversity is not racism. Using common stereotypes isn't racist either. Now, if Cloud said Barret sucked like all those black people do, atleast he would be racist, but the game wouldn't be racist if for example some other characters told Cloud to shut his god damned racist mouth.
The're not being racist. They're made by Japanese people. If they wanted to be racist, they would make Cloud a southern idiot just because he's white and Barret would be a Louisiana porch monkey.
What how can you say this game is racist it isn't. The other games are because there aren't any black people in any of them apart from Kiros.
You are all obviously in Denial. You are only looking on the outside instead of the sweet goodness with in. It is all there. You just fail to see it :D
In FFIX they call the Burmecian filthy rats...and not all rats are filthy thatīs what i consider stereotype.:mad:
SAVE THE RATS. Hippie.
Or maybe you are in denial about it not being racist bevause you are only looking at the sweet goodness with in not the outside.
ALSO cloud's eyes are green not blue hance not Nazi and you shouldn't call them Nazi's because you are being racist
Nazi isn't a race.Quote:
Originally Posted by f f freak
The Arayn(sp?) is th race Hitler thought was almighty.
Arian people are supposed to be tall, blond and have blue eyes...
Nazies arenīt a race...their a social group if you will. But calling someone Nazi is related to xenophoby.
It has been a while since I played the game but I think they constantly said that his eyes glowed blue...the mark of a soilder. There for his eyes = blue ;P
Yes but i donīt think Cloud is very tall so i still couldnīt be considered arian.
I have never read anywhere that height was a factor in being Aryan. It is always, Blue eyes(check), white skinned(check) and Blond hair(check). Cloud fits them all.
And tall too itīs in the history books...
cloud is rather tall in AC, and kingdom hearts.
I think square is racist too. I mean, they had a Korean BBQ.. where does Korea come from in the ff7 world?!?
What a bad thread.
Ok would you feel better if all the races were just white?
ed... no offense but this was lousy even for you. :D
I think people are getting way to touchy with the whole racist thing. The whole FF7 being racist is nothing compared to some other games ( MGS Snake Eater has a big blond German guy bent on world war for one of the main bad guys). The game wouldent be the same with out Barret or any other of the charicters missing or changed around so that they dont seem racist to some people.
The arian race actually comes from somewhere in the middle east. Iran is supposedly supposed to mean the land of the aryans. I'm not 100% about the last bit, but the first is true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy Dark Aeons Slayer
I don't think they are trying to be racist I just think, because they come from Japan (which is predominately filled with Japanese) they precieve others that aren't Japanese as an ignorant sterotype ( A. K. A. Barret).
In another forum there was a similar debate and the conclusion was that for better or worse nearly every FF7 character (in your party) is a stereotype of a group of people as viewed by the Japanese game developers... Let me break it down for you:
Barrett: The obvious ebonics-speaking Mr.T generic black guy. The Black Panthers should be pissed!
Cid: A loud-mouthed, stubborn, arrogant American. The US Army should be pissed!
Aeris(or Aerith for you purist nerds): An overly weak frail female. Feminists should be pissed!
Tifa: A woman wearing an F-cup bra. Porn stars should be pissed!
Red XIII: The talking animal full of wisdom. Simba and the rest of the cast of The Lion King should be pissed!
Yuffie: Re-enforces the stereotype that all ninjas are thieves. Shinobi should be pissed!
Vincent: The misunderstood dark gothy character. Trent Reznor should be pissed!
Cait Sith: I don't even know where to start this one. Magical oversized moogles being ridden by remote controlled cats should be pissed!
Cloud: Blonde hair, blue eyes, and comes from an army of soldiers exactly like him... It reminds me of a movie I saw a long time ago, but I had trouble keeping up with it because THE NARATION WAS IN GERMAN!!!
So is FF7 racist? You decide.
I can't believe we're actually having this discussion.
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Originally Posted by Hambone
People make threads about "Reviving Aeris" so i can :p
Tidus is an African-Asian-American-Canadian-Hawaiin as far as I can tell, and that's proof Square is pro mating with all ethnic backgrounds possible. And that's just the opposite of racism!
Besides Barret isn't black, he's Midgar Slumian.
You all ignore the true discrimination in FFVII so easily: sexism. Why did Sephiroth kill Aerith? He's a sexist. Filthy sexist.
Tidus also is not in FFVII :D
and how the hell is Barret not black!?:confused:
This begs for some rather huge O RLY action.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bert
Maybe he spent just a litle to much time sunbathing at Costa del Sol.
Tifa and aeris constantly going after a guy who wears purple and doesn't hit on either of them is the stereotype that women will never admit that the good ones are gay
When has Square ever said anything bad about black, asian or white people ? Square arent being racist, they're being stereotypes.
Its an ignorance. Like many whites who aren't around other races in America Square in Japan don't see many non-Asian people so their perception would be shaped by the media. With the case of Barret. Black people are what they see on T.V. so thats how they make the character. A friend of mine who went to Japan told me your're looked at as exotic because in all truth most foreigners probaly think of white people when they see Americans. Look at Dragonball. Adjudant Black was the leader of the Red Ribbon Army (after he shot General Red) and he was really dark with big lips minstrel style. Mr. PoPo too.
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Originally Posted by edczxcvbnm
Just shut the smurf up.
note on that link given in the second post
when does Barret ever call anyone a homie?
imagines Cosmo canyon scene..
Barret- "Biggs, Wedge, Jessie my homies all dead!"
"The homies will be born again!!"
talking about racism, the simpons who suddenly changed Mr. Smithers from black to white, why? was it to avoid criticism of a black gay character or wha?
Why is it racist if Barret acts like a black person from the ghetto? Why is that being racist? I do not understand this. Maybe his character WAS meant to be a black guy with a low level of education and all that crap that was said.
Racism and stereotyping are two different things. And to be honest, the majority of black people living in slum areas speak like this. How do I know? I live in Washington Heights in Manhattan. Are all black people like this? No. What about Rude? He was not like that at all. That is not a factor though because ignorance must be very common in here.
Cloud is not arian. He is a Japanese hip hop modernized man.
This is the most retarded comment ever wrought by man kind. MGS:3's story is historical fiction. Cold War...did you learn about that? If there is a man bent on world war, he was probably what was provoking the Cold War. He was not German. He was Russian.Quote:
Originally Posted by Distain
Stay in school.
hey, cool off just a bit. don't get fussy over the detailsQuote:
Originally Posted by Lambon
Obviously anything which plagiarises Mr. T is immoral and must be stopped.
What I find interesting is that when I first played FF7 I was young enough that I never in a thousand years would've contemplated this. It was just a funny man who swore a lot and...just happened to be black. If the first thing that stood out to you was that "Oh Lordy, it's a black guy!!!" then perhaps there's something wrong with you.
What I find to be slightly racist, if not just stupid, is this attitude "Yeah, but the Japanese have probably never heard of being black before, so they'll assume that they're all like Fiddy Cent". Japanese people might have a strange pop culture, but they aren't stupid.
Really, everytime there's a stereotype, you cry racist?
Let's just ignore what an incredibly passionate man Barret is. Forget about him risking his life everyday just to try and make the world a better place for his daughter. Never mind his incredible strength and leadership abilities. It's apparently not important that it absolutely breaks his heart when Biggs, Wedge, and Jessie; 3 comrades he would've given his life for, are killed. Let's just focus on the fact that he lives in a slum (and let's ignore that this slum is populated almost entirely by whites anyway) and has a slightly stereotypical vernacular (but please don't mention the fact that it's shared by all the white people in his home town of Coral).
It must be rampant racism. I withdraw my complaint...
I said thats probaly how many of them think due to ignorance not racism. For many people thats in their nature to assume things by media potrayals especially about people. Notice how many action movies with terrorists used to involve the bad guys being Russians but now they're from the Middle East.
So you're saying everyone with blue eyes, blonde hair and white are the same? That theyre all part of some racist group? Dont you see that as a little discriminative?Quote:
Originally Posted by edczxcvbnm
Why would square be racist to their own race?Quote:
Yuffie is the only asian looking character in the game and her whole town is all about ninja ...RACIST!
1) Nope. It isn't discrimitive based on the overall surroundings of cloud and history and crap.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackmage_nuke
2) Why do black people run around calling each other nigga and stuff? Its racist yet is still done. Don't ask me why square was being racist.
i thought the text in final fantasy 7 was good with all the chracters you could tell what they were like Barrett was very good.
i agree with Distain, they're not being racist and what kind of final fantasy game would it be if every one lived in peace and harmony together----BORING! there would be no point
isn't carl gay with lenny?????????Quote:
Originally Posted by blue phoenix
this is has nothing to do with anything but dont you all think that winnie the pooh show is bad?...becase think of it this way its insoltiong other people like:
pooh has short term memory loss;retarted
eorie?...or how ever you spell his name is always depressed and tigger has freckin A.D.D.?!..or what ever the deseaceis whne your hype?!..and the bunny is always so anal,its like he has anger mangament!
LoL
i ahd toget that off my chest,sorry go on with the thread..lol..byeBye
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Originally Posted by Laugh at face of Danger
Ya really.
Besides, your missing my entire point. That point being that there are way wores racism/steriotypeing in the world than in FF7. The whole thing in about the cold war did not evan play a part in the main idea of the peice, or the discusion for that matter, so why bring it up? And, now that it is brought up, dose it change the fact that is still a blond Russian bent on provoking the Cold War? The fact still remains that the steriotype of a big blond violent Russian guy, wich is everywhere, in movies, games, books ect. The same gose for any affrican amarican or Aisain person. Steriotyping is everywhere. To change around the charicter's in FF game,anything els for that matter, to not be so "racist" would be taking a great deal away from the game and many other aspects of entertainment. Would it not be boring if we all looked the same, talked the same and thought the same?
Perhapes next time you should try reading in-between the lines and thinking about what you have read, instaed of getting hung up on the facts.
Oh, and i'm still in school, dumbass. Thank you for the concern, but keep it to yourself next time.
You guys do realize that ed started this thread as a joke, right?
meh, it's a source of amusment:D
Oh my. How is this entire topic about racism when somebody stereotyped black people. It wasn't racist. It was stereotype. She said black people do it....not gangsters, or thugs,or some crap. Black people do. yup. There ya go. edcx, was that intended to be racist? I doubt it, but if it was, go ahead and let everybody know. Do you think they would racially insult Barret? He's a man who lives in the ghetto. He can't afford schooling, and that's why he's against the government (besaides his hometown incident). Nearly everyone who lived down there talked like a moron or slangly, so the fact that he did it meant nothing. He was the leader of a group many people in the slums looked up to. A hero. Unlike Biggs or Wedge, who if were black and joined your party would've been even more "racist" becuase they worked like slaves. Oh, and Barret didn't prefer a weapon orver a hand, as said previously, he lost his hand trying to save his best friend from falling to his death.Quote:
Originally Posted by edczxcvbnm
well said DoaJ
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Originally Posted by Sephex
While we're here, what about the gay gym? Do you not see all those stereotypes? Or are they not a problem? You're homophobes, every last one of you.
You brought it up
Maybe to satisfy everyone next game they should have a Gun obsessed Asian, an African Ninja village, a Caucasian white mage (no racism intended when i say "white") with Blue eyes and blonde hair.
And why not throw in a Latino Samurai
being a black guy myself i know that this game isn't racist and neither are any other ff's
not having a race of people in a game is not being racist thatis like saying why on the brady bunch didn't they have a black child
also the way someone talks does not effect the person in a way that should be considered racist
lol i can't believe people actually took you so serious
Technically, Barret isn't even a stereotype. He is what he is. Stereotyping is when you make assumptions about other people based on what someone else does.
So, if you saw a black person walking down the street and make the assumption that he must have a gun arm, then you are stereotyping based on the Barret's character. Barret is not a stereotype, however, he may fall into the stereotype that you already have in your head about what a black person is or how they act.
Oh and by the way. If you looked at Barret's character and said "Oh he's a stereotypically black man", that my friends, is being racist.
What are you talking about? Ed's always serious. :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Omnislash07
HEY!! just beacause u have blue eyes and blonde hair like me doesn't mean i'm a nazi!-so u must be callin' me one...
From this comment I can guess that you probaly don't live around or know many black people and take everything you know from media with black people and stereotype it to all. How about I say all middle eastern people have trouble speaking english, whites are proper talking rich happy go lucky people, or that all asians talk in short detached statements. I'm pretty sure everybody in the race doesn't sound like that. Saying the n word isn't racists depending on the context in which you use the word, let me explain.Quote:
Originally Posted by edczxcvbnm
1. Nigger is the racists spelling of the word.
2. If I'm looking at someone acting stupid or ignorant one might say he or she is acting like a nigga as in stop acting ignorant especially in the wrong place (such as a place of business or in someones home).
3. Many blacks do use the word as a pronoun as in "That nigga". This is not racists, because well, for the most part see my anology below.Many older black people and some younger don't like younger generations using the word.
4. Many blacks don't like it when people of other races use the word an anology of why is let's say you have a family you hate it when your people in your do and acts like such and such so you might say some things about them but if anyone else says anything negative about the family you get offended. That happens with this volaitile word because of its past misuse. If you are black its like you are apart of the family like I said in my analogy so you use the word to say certain things but you wouldn't like other people to say the same thing.
5. Personally I don't care if someone of anothr race says the word as long as they don't mean it in an offensive context.
Lastly Duncan, Barret is a stereotype because he is a character based on the cliched viewpoint of how blacks are potrayed in the media. Thinking this does not make me racists. Its like if you see someone with glasses as a character and he's really smart. Thats a stereotype that appears in most movies. If you wear glasses you have to be somewhat nerdy and smart.
It looks like they based Barret on mr. T ....well thats what i thought.
Blargh.
ed was joking around folks, but he didn't do it very well. Shame on you ed.