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has it gone up? or has it gone BELOW rock bottom?
PS: PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEASE take out the economical factor out of it. I don't care if the country is richer now so society's better crap :irked: *swings fake sword* don't you try it!
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Ok, so you're asking us whether we think society's better or not, and then you say we can't use our own standards, we have to conform to yours.
:mad2: :mad2: :mad2: :mad2: I live in Manchester in England and society is bad, Scallies everywhere!!!!!:mad2: :mad2: :mad2: :mad2:
Humans always sucked, and still do. Now they're just smarter than they were before.
Of course, 'humans' isn't necessarily the same as 'society', at least I don't think that's what you mean...
Both. I think the dichotomy is becoming greater every year. Each extreme becoming more so and less and less people left on the fence.
I think most of society's doing great.
Society is the suck.
It could be better.
People have too many primal qualities for it to be satisfying to everyone
I mean theres NEVER been a perfect society
People aren't bound to the land in feudal pseudo-slavery and forced to work hard every day of their lives to eke out a miserable existance, freedoms such as speech and religion are becoming far more the standard worldwide, capitalist systems are allowing for people to improve their own social standing in life, the rights to vote are giving people a greater say in the government, medical technology is making it so we can live longer and have a better quality of life.
I could go on.
I think we've come a long way. Sure, it could be better, but the way I see it society's been improving fairly consistently.
Society's wonderful now that I'm a part of it. :)
I dont contribute to it, so I wouldnt know.
Society and society alone? Getting worse. But I don't care because it doesn't affect me, and no one else cares. Let the idiots rot in their cesspool of ignorance and lies.
Well we do actually need a working definition of society for this.
But basically, I'm going to point to BtV's post and say "QFT". Things are improving, and are doing so at an ever-increasing rate.
things are improving:Quote:
Originally Posted by I'm my own MILF
-Wars?
-Terrorism?
-Racism
-Killing Earth (factories, pollution, etc.)
-Job exploitation**************************************************************************************** ************************************************************************************************
-prejudism
So things are better? interesting
Yeah. The things you listed are so 21st century. :rolleyes2Quote:
Originally Posted by DeathKnight
DK, your ignorance and prejudice (ironically the same thing you accuse of other people) know no bounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeathKnight
Wars? Since when has this not been a problem in known history?
Terrorism? This one is up, but it's mostly just now all over the media. There were terrorists before.
Racism has also always been a problem. If anything, it's gotten BETTER in the past couple of generations. And in the US especially since the Civil War.
"Killing Earth (factories, pollution, etc.)" A planet can't be killed. You may be talking about killing animals, but you do that all of the time yourself.
"Job exploitation." Exploitation is one of those words that I call "nonsense words."
"prejudism." That doesn't even warrant a response.
Economics and the state of society are not separable.
I think things are good.
Janice Dickinson= I love society :p
Mr. Bush= I don't love society :(
Society is getting better all the time. Stop whining.
Well, if your expections are low, that's not my problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rye
I expect 21st century humans to have DELETED racism, prejudism, terrorism, and job exploitation(specially that one).
What the hell is job exploitation?
Society is like the stock market
You know, like when people who work at McDonalds are forced to eat the food too. That's exploitation, man. By THE MAN.Quote:
Originally Posted by Del Murder
:love: :love: :love: :love: I've been asking that question for years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Del Murder
... deleted? xDDDDQuote:
Originally Posted by Death Knight
So you're labeling me? funny, if there's anyone ignorant around here is yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raistlin
None of those things should be around in the 21st century. At least not thriving.
look it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Del Murder
Yes, well, by 2000 I expected hoverbikes and moving sidewalks everywhere, but I guess I had to get something reasonable.
you didn't expect any of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by roto13-ness
Why? And this very thread shows your ignorance of history, as most of the things you pointed out are BETTER now than before.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeathKnight
EDIT: And job exploitation is a nonsense word with no meaning. It's a standardless word - there is no objective definition of exploitation, it can mean whatever you want.
Prove it.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeathKnight
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special...oitation&go=GoQuote:
Originally Posted by DeathKnight
http://dictionary.reference.com/brow...20exploitation
Are you going back to year 1?Quote:
Originally Posted by Raistlin
I'm not:rolleyes2
ignorance of history?
So I've gotten As in college history classes and I'm ignorant? interesting.
It's like "whites" when whites kept segregations for over 80 years. Just because it's been around for so long doesn't mean it has to stay that way.
And you'll be better off labeling yourself, :ty:
You aren't making much sense. Anyway, I don't see why McDonalds workers eating the food there is much of a problem. I got a store discount when I worked at Longs and I shopped there all the time.
PS: You can get A's and still be ignorant. I've done it.
neither are you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Del Murder
-And I wasn't the one who mentioned McDonalds :ty:
Then why do you insist that wars, racism, and (my personal favorite) "prejudism" are worse now?Quote:
Are you going back to year 1?
I'm not
ignorance of history?
So I've gotten As in college history classes and I'm ignorant? interesting.
... what does that have to do with anything?Quote:
It's like "whites" when whites kept segregations for over 80 years. Just because it's been around for so long doesn't mean it has to stay that way.
It's funny, when people have to think 'bout something that goes against what they believe they stop thinking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raistlin
Think 'bout it.
Weren't you the one saying "all of those things have been here for a log time(in history)"
Yes, and I said it's gotten BETTER. Which is something you've ignored because, using your own words (though more coherently) you apparently stop thinking when faced with something you don't agree with.Quote:
It's funny, when people have to think 'bout something that goes against what they believe they stop thinking.
Think 'bout it.
Weren't you the one saying "all of those things have been here for a log time(in history)"
Oh. He's saying that because we were able to end segregation we should be able to end all the other stuff on his list too. As in, just because it lasted a long time doesn't mean it should always be there.
I only went with the McDonalds tangent because it was the only explanation for job exploitation I got in this thread.
Now that I think about it, this is a pretty good e-battle going on here. Both of you guys are equally stubborn, and equally sure that your form of 'logic' is the only correct way to think.
And it was an explaination given by someone who doesn't even know what this thread is about. xD
I don't know, I think Del Murder is being very clear... :ty:Quote:
Originally Posted by DeathKnight
As for society, many variables must be taken in light in order to determine how good a society is. One of the biggest is opinion and opinion changes person to person.
I never said I wanted to end EVERYTHING on my list. Hell at least with one I'll be happy. Most of the things on my list are still or worse than they were 20 years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Del Murder
And when I say end it, I mean (not completely ending it, that's impossible) but at least 80%.
80%? You won't accept 60%? Cause that's pretty good.
Wars will be around forever. When you have peace, that only gives times for tensions to rise and start war again.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeathKnight
Terrorism is pretty old too.
Racism can be done away with, but don't expect it to change much.
I don't understand job exploitation, and "precijudism" (prejudice!) is pretty much the same as racism.
How low, can't you find a better way to defend yourself than to criticize the way I go 'bout my setences. :irked:Quote:
Originally Posted by Raistlin
Not only that, then you have to go use my lines to TRY to make your point,
*slap*Quote:
I never said I wanted to end EVERYTHING on my list. Hell at least with one I'll be happy. Most of the things on my list are still or worse than they were 20 years ago.
:twak:Quote:
Originally Posted by roto13-ness
Raistlin is a little snoot, yes, but you could stand to take more time to spell correctly and use more proper sentence structure. You'll find that people will take your arguments a lot more seriously then.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeathKnight
How mature this is turning out.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeathKnight
Well, it's just not true. Stop saying it. Just... stop. You're not helping yourself look good here.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeathKnight
Indeed. Deathknight uses it often when threatened. Even if the other person is right (or supported by facts that are actual facts, not facts that are derived based on an opinion or preference, and turned into a fact).Quote:
Originally Posted by Rengori
I just gotta say that this argument is one of the best ones I've ever seen.
yeah, but this is the internet. I'm ok.Quote:
Originally Posted by Del Murder
Yeah, I'm amused.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tavrobel
Understand ONE thing, I said "STILL THE SAME" OR "WORSE" I'm not REALLY supporting the "worse" part that much, I'm supporting the "still the same" (or ALMOST the same) part more. So PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEASE read my posts carefully.Quote:
Originally Posted by roto13-ness
It's harder to read your post carefully when you talk vaguely, use little to no adjectives, and use bad sentance structure.
Let's stop talking about sentence structure and just talk about the topic, which is our crumbling society. Thank you.
I like talking vaguely, it makes you use your intellectuality(if you have any)more.
But really, I don't know what the heck you're talking 'bout. NO ONE has ever questioned the way I write in a forum.
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Originally Posted by Rengori
You saying that over and over and over doesn't make it true.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeathKnight
On topic, I think society's doing fine. Hell of a lot better than it was 100 years ago.
Did I say it was true? :nonono:Quote:
Originally Posted by roto13-ness
I'm just supporting my points.
Uhm, by saying it, you're implying that you believe it to be true. Duh.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeathKnight
DeathKnight/roto13-ness, please cut it out with the quote pyramids.
Damn, so using smilies is immature? man I really gotta leave this forum then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tavrobel
Please do.
i think most societies are getting worse:( . the only reason for that is cause of the way the citizens run the place. with all the wars going on, eventually we'll end up blowing ourselves up:O_O: :kaoupset:
Using smilies in general isn't immature, it's the ones that you use. Thanks for twisting my words.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeathKnight
But since you are leaving: Bye! I'LL MISS YOU!
Good grief, people. Everyone stop antagonizing each other, ok? Ok.
This thread is going nowhere.