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People say that Edea knows about Ultiīs plans because she became aware of her thoughts while possessed.
But that cannot be the case because we know that neither Laguna neither Kyros neither Ward were able to understand what the faeries were saying while sane,let alone on a crazed state.
Laguna can hear what Squall is thinking.
Of course, Laguna was not under Squall's control. Ulti may have been a much more open book given the greater amount of will she would be investing in Edea.
I live for these threads.
So FE, what if you're right, and Edea doesn't know what Ulti's plans are? What does it mean?
*anxiously waits*
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Three cheers for FE's return!
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Originally Posted by LunarWeaver
I'm lost already :confused: :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Future Esthar
With Viator seemingly gone, I was hoping you'd return ;)
Viator= FE:eek:
What will your next alias be?
Welcome back FE. I missed your crazy theories.
It is a good thing I dun understand what you are saying either. Cheers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Future Esthar
On that note...
*Kiros
I am saying that Laguna and company didnīt understood what the faeries speak.
So Edea canīt remember Ultiīs thoughts and therefore cannot know her plans.
Ultimecia's possession of Sorceresses is different from Ellone's ability to 'send' people into the past.
And you're thinking about it too much anyway. It wasn't meant to be dug into so deeply.
Except at one point Laguna DOES directly respond to a thought Squall has, and in a way that he could only respond in if he understood the thought.
So your objection falls through even IF Posession and piggybacking are functionally identical, even though they are not.
Oh sorry, wrong person.Quote:
Originally Posted by Viator
Anyway, FE, I'm interested in where you're going with this. Edea acts as if she knows Ulti's plans, so does this mean that Edea has been acting and scheming something this whole time?
Perhaps she's got a deal going on with the Shumis who are possessing people, and Edea is planning on the reign of propagators far into the future.
id imagine that edeas knows a lot about what ultimecia might do because of experience in these sorts of matters and she doesn't know all that much about ultimecias plan until esthar where a lot more info is uncovered by odine and people like that so edea doesnt know that much, she just seems experienced in this kind of matter.
Where did that happen?Quote:
Except at one point Laguna DOES directly respond to a thought Squall has, and in a way that he could only respond in if he understood the thought.
Possession relates to Elloneīs ability.For instance,at Winhill you can make Laguna take a path different than its usual.And he gets surprised.
Laguna can have control over himself because he has not lost his memory.
They do have some similarities, but they're not the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by Future Esthar
Laguna says-"I usually didnīt take this path" or something along these lines.
Would Laguna have lost his memory before this event he wouldnīt remember the path he used to take and would not realize he was doing something abnormal.This way he wouldnīt prevent the forces acting on him.
In fact,a person without memory didnīt have an identity and thus he thinks he IS the person possessing him.He donīt try to act like himself because he didnīt know this "himself".
That is what possession is about on FF8.
Future Esthar is Life. :love:
Jesus is Life,not me.
What's that Lassie? FE's making ANOTHER wild claim without any supporting evidence? Oi.Quote:
Originally Posted by Future Esthar
And to respond to when- Several times Laguna directly responds to Squall. First when he says "Huh? Excuse me?", and it confuses Laguna. Another time, Squall says "where am I", and Laguna knows it's 'the faeries' immediately. That's with only a minimal connection and no real time together. Imagine the possibility with a total connection over months, if not years.
*hugs FE*
You have an interesting point! So, what do you think this could mean?
That's what I've been asking him, but he wouldn't answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xaven
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Good God. Future Esthar. The legendary Future Esthar. Let me just start by saying I'm a huge fan and it's an honor to finally get the chance to respond to your outrageous (but wonderful) theories.
I know she was possessed, but when was Edea crazy? Just curious. Not challenging you or anything. Not yet, anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Future Esthar
Yep.Quote:
Originally Posted by LunarWeaver
Yep.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChristmasIt is a good thing I dun understand what you are saying either. Cheers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Future Esthar
What crazed state? :S What faeries :(?
Edea knows Ultimecia's plans because she was possessed; Ultimecia's thoughts were controlling Edea's body (as well as Edea's thoughts, I assume).
I have no idea what Faeries you're talking about, or when Kiros and Laguna and Ward are ever in a crazed state, but if what you're saying is that Laguna and co. cannot sense Squall's presence therefore Edea could not do the same for Ultimecia you are wrong. Squall was watching through Laguna's eyes, while Ultimecia was CONTROLLING Edea's body. There is a difference between Edea's possession and what Squall and Co. deal with when they're sent to the past. Hrm. I'm clear as mud, eh?
I don't see anything strange like that in the game...
The only strange thing I see is this thread!
Here we go friends. This is what the game tells us depending on where you are in it. Spoiler warining maybe. Anywho Ultimecia used a machine created by Odine that replicates Ellone's power to send people into the past. A machine that imitates Ellone's power coupled with the fact that Ultimecia is a sorceress could give her the power to possess and not just watch. Btw Faeries is what Laguna and the others called it when they felt Squall and the others presences. (Hoped that helped.) Also, Squall and the others never tried to take over or control Laguna and the others. They simply observed. As for Edea knowing about Ultimecia's plan it is at the ending of the game that you find that out. Spoiler During time compression Ultimecia traveled to the past and as she was dying she gave her powers to Edea. Squall went along and told Edea about the Garden and SeeD. Hope that helped ya all.
when ultimecia possessed edea, ultimecia was in full control which would explian why they shared thoughts. squall and c.o's consciousness being projected into laguna, kiros and wards past bodies only meant they were aware of something weird and it also somehow made them stronger ( i think faeries is supposed to mean the strange feeling the 3 get that helps them through battles and thats something to do with squall and his teammates strength.) seems as ultimecia has full control where squall is just watching and sharing thoughts slightly id think ultimecia's control would have bigger effects.
It could also be that either when Edea succeeded Ultimecia that she became aware of Ultimeica's life or failed dying mission. OR, it could be that when possessed, one can hear her thoughts, like when Rinoa 'was young Adel'...Quote:
Originally Posted by Go powerful women
I can't believe people still respond to these threads.
And yet, here you are responding as well... :pQuote:
Originally Posted by abrojtm
He's right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pharoh Amon Khan III
Let's ponder over another one of FE's theories...
fortunately this theory makes a lot more sense than usual and is less based on rumour and suspicion.
Squall in fact Possessed Laguna.
How many times do I have to say that Laguna gets surprised if you change your returning path on Winhill?
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Originally Posted by Future Esthar
It may have been a ruse so she could get the Fated Children to fulfill their destiny, but that wouldn't explain how she knew the details of Ultimecia's plans... Hmm... Why do I feel I've been in this thread before...:confused:
Laguna brain farting is not sufficient evidence of possesion. You are overstating his 'surprise' to support your postulate du jour, as you have done previously.Quote:
Originally Posted by Future Esthar
If Squall could control Laguna, Laguna would acting like Laguna, as Squall was utterly mortified by having to 'be the idiot' in his dreams. Laguna keeps acting himself.
Of course, this won't stop you and your quest for evidence-less falsifiability.
I already explained it:
Full possession like the one of Edea only occur on the assymptotic limit in which ones memory is fully erased.Quote:
Laguna says-"I usually didnīt take this path" or something along these lines.
Would Laguna have lost his memory before this event he wouldnīt remember the path he used to take and would not realize he was doing something abnormal.This way he wouldnīt prevent the forces acting on him.
In fact,a person without memory didnīt have an identity and thus he thinks he IS the person possessing him.He donīt try to act like himself because he didnīt know this "himself".
That is what possession is about on FF8.
The very fact that Squall donīt like Laguna means nothing.
It would not prevent Squall to choose a different path.
Maybe he thinks that path is better.
Future Esthar, welcome back! Your insanity has been missed. :D
I'm just going to address the first post, since all the responses got a little confusing.
This can be explained simply and easily. You're wrong. Ok, I'll get a little more comlicated than that. Your conclusion seemed reasonable, given the evidence that you presented. However, that evidence was inaccurate, so the conclusion was invalid. Laguna and the gang did know about Squall and company. They may not have understood what the "fairies" were, but they were clearly aware of their thoughts.
Laguna's line "Looks like the fairies are here" was a response to Squall's thoughts, not his actions. Thus, Edea likely knew about Ulti's thoughts, so, the question presented at the beginning does not arise.
Skyblade,they donīt understand WHAT THEY ARE SAYING.They are just aware of the existance of the thoughts.
I hate to say this, again, but: Prove it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Future Esthar
I already did that.
No, you didn't. An explanation of the way things could possibly have worked is not, and has never been, proof.
E=MC2 ring a bell? Anyway, c'mon people... That's like trying to prove Time Compression. How does that work? All anyone can start off with is "Well, I suppose..."Quote:
Originally Posted by Skyblade
I say, give it a fair chance.
E=MC^2 isn't proof, or more properly said, is not evidence.
And we've been GIVING him a fair chance. He's been wasting that chance for awhile.
And FE, Laguna taking a different path is NOT evidence of possesion of any sort, much less the kind you claim, which, by the way, you HAVE YET TO PROVIDE ANY EVIDENCE FOR.
It makes sense.Note that this is not a game event but the explanation of some mechanics so logic is enough.Quote:
much less the kind you claim, which, by the way, you HAVE YET TO PROVIDE ANY EVIDENCE FOR.
Proof that Laguna understand there is someone but donīt understand what it says:
QUOTE-I know there is something here but I donīt know what it says.
Except that logic is NOT enough to say "this mechanism applies here", either in the real world or under suspension of disbelief.Quote:
Originally Posted by Future Esthar
Which is completely irrelevant to "Huh, I brainfarted" somehow equalling mind control.Quote:
Proof that Laguna understand there is someone but donīt understand what it says:
QUOTE-I know there is something here but I donīt know what it says.
I can't remember the descusion but it's after the 3rd dream where Laguna and co try a bit of acting. (The dream is a birth of a theory of mine actually)Quote:
Where did that happen?