He goes evil on you then when he just randomly joins the party because the Emperor is back. He's forgiven just like that and I doubt he really went good again anyway.
There is just so many reasons not to like IMO.
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He goes evil on you then when he just randomly joins the party because the Emperor is back. He's forgiven just like that and I doubt he really went good again anyway.
There is just so many reasons not to like IMO.
Yeah, FFII's plot is pretty spotty like that, but it was a decent fix for a console RPG in 1988. As for Lionheart specifically, I like him based on his name and character design alone.
I quite liked Lionheart's character. He was sort of a mix between (FFIV Spoilers)Kain and Golbez. I also liked how you could make him a pretty useful character very quickly. I had spent 20 hours or so building up the other characters while Lionheart only took me a few hours to get to a good enough fighting condition for the last dungeon.
So people shouldn't forgive members of their own family?
Plus the fact Leon obviously was controlled by The Emperor, Kain-style.Quote:
Originally Posted by DJZen
I liked Leon
I HATED HIMMMMMM!!!
I couldn't be bothered to level him once I got him back, so he stayed dead all the way through Pandaemonium, I revived him in time to fight the emperor, and then he died on the first turn. I didn't bother after that. :razz:
Personality wise, he had no personality. Neither did anyone else. So I couldn't like or hate anyone.
i liked him, but he turned up too late.
Aha! It's not just me! I was starting to think I was the only one who felt that way. :love:Quote:
Originally Posted by TehAnima
I never bought that concept, just because of how Leon acts when you confront him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter_20
He looked cool I suppose. Although he's just a blue Firioniel in the FC version...:/
uhhh... not really he's not.
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i1...lletteswap.jpg
uhhh... yeah, he kinda is. At least in battle.
Edit: Nevermind, it isn't big enough...but, if you'll just look at their in-battle sprites, it's apparent.
http://www.videogamesprites.net/Fina...y/Frioniel.GIF http://www.videogamesprites.net/Fina.../Lionheart.GIF
There are more differences than mere colors.
http://www.videogamesprites.net/Fina...arty/Josef.GIF http://www.videogamesprites.net/Fina...rty/Gordon.GIF
By what you're saying, Gordon is just a red Josef.
http://www.videogamesprites.net/Fina...ty/Richard.GIF
And Richard is just a yellow Frioniel in a helmet.
lol, silver haired pretty boys again
Yeah, but it's pretty apparent that their two sprites are alot more similar than the other sets of sprites in the game.
Of course, you're right...Lionheart has a belt. :cat:
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Originally Posted by Zeromus_X
Holy crap! That's how the emperor looks in the old versions of the game!
I also never bought that he was under control by the stuff he said before he joins the party.
i think it was more of a passive manipulatoin by the emperor. his mind wasn't being controlled but im sure he was under some sort of magical influence. like in FF1, theres not much to like about the characters because they dont really have a character and they don talk much. or at least the 4 main characters dont, seems as minwu and ricard E.C.T get some good lines. so that also means there not much to hate about these basic characters. Leon was o.k and i sort of like his part in the story.
Leon has no real good stats like Minwu. He has awesome Stam. and Magic but only for quick lvling. I just try training him in weapons i'm not using. For magic he get's guy's Haste,Berserk and drain. Not really useful but the extra damage is okay and the one lvling cheat is easier.
jesus the censorship around here is a bit soviet union isn't it. anyway, leon and frionel look very alike in the NES version. sure lots of the characters have the same body, but they all have pretty different heads. Frionel and Leon have almost identical heads. Anyone can see this.
It was the NES days, slight sprite differences were seen as completely different sprites back then. Anyway, all FF sprites have the same basic face unless that character is young, and even then it's still pretty dang similar. They all have the same jawline and T shaped eyes.
I don't think Leon was controlled by the Emperor. If he was, why would he argue with the Emperor that he's now the new Emperor? He wouldn't have given the throne back to the Emperor without a battle, either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter_20Plus the fact Leon obviously was controlled by The Emperor, Kain-style.Quote:
Originally Posted by DJZen
Kishi: Those pics are great, and I think Leonhart's sprite looks a lot cooler than Frioniel's.
Leonhart is much hotter than Frioniel is. That's just how he is, and a big part of why I like him.
i wasn't criticising square for having them look kind of similar. obviously it was standard at the time. it just bothers me when people argue black is white just because they are so in love with square that they can't face reality. of course it doesn't matter that they looked similar, but that doesn't mean people should deny it.
No one's denying that they look similar. And you shouldn't be so presumptuous about what people are thinking. I'm always eager to call Square on whatever crap they pull.
well the fact that my post was deleted either points to ultra-sensitive super cotton wool government at these forums, or a moderator that can't handle square being called into question.
this isn't even a big deal i don't know why i'm still talking about it, but a few people here are in denial. the mention of the both of them looking similar has drawn quite a few people (including yourself) to square's defense. which is a bit amusing, don't you think?
Or it may mean that the post was off-topic, and irrelevant. :rolleyes2Quote:
well the fact that my post was deleted either points to ultra-sensitive super cotton wool government at these forums, or a moderator that can't handle square being called into question.
Thank you. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroyh1999AD
Leon never claims to have been controlled. He just decided that he liked having power.
They're not the same. Leon's hair is more suave. Firion's is spikey.
Except I wasn't trying to defend Square's sprite-crafting skills circa 1988. I just wouldn't describe Lionheart's sprite simply as "a blue Frioniel." Personal impression.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul
Leon was a very useful party member in the end so I don't care what he did during the earlier parts of the game
Let me borrow this real quick.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kawaii Ryűkishi
Vuala. Kishi's right, they're not the same.
Basically he wanted power that he thought he could never have with the good guys, but when he was defeated and usurped by his former master, i think that had a really humbling effect on him. Like addicts who hit rock bottom, he found out he was wrong...
It's very evident that he's a precursor to Kain Highwind. In that sense, he's one of the foundations of FF, not to mention his name was re-used as a surname for a later FF protagonist...
I liked him, although he was a pain to level up to the standards of the main party.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crossblades
I liked Lionheart. I thought he was one of the coolest characters. And it adds a great twist to the game.
It's because the others start with really poor stats, while Leon joins at the end of the game with highly developed stats. :D;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth1999AD