Attitudes to music

Is it just me or is music not about the music anymore

I was listening to KERRANG! radio last night and the DJ asked people to phone in and telll him they're new favorite songs.

so this girl phones in and tells the guy her new favorite, i cant remember what she said. SO the Dj asks her why this is her new favorite song, to which she replies

"Because The singer has cool hair"

"BECAUSE THE SINGER HAS COOL HAIR"!!!!

since when did the coolness of a singer's hair determine whether the music was good or not?

It was probably some crappy emo haircut he had too.

And then they played the song which was crap as well

so has rock music followed suit of all other genres of music and become all about style, Squinn's answer is yes

however i also philoshopise that a hard bunch of prog rockers will one day rise and kill everyone thats making music today, thus saving the world :choc:

Usually, as most of my music is downloaded, I hear the music before I search for an image of the band.

If they are attractive, great! I can make signatures of them. If they arnt? who cares, aslong as they're good at what they're doing.

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Originally Posted by Zeldy

If they are attractive, great! I can make signatures of them. If they arnt? who cares, aslong as they're good at what they're doing.

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You can do that when they're ugly too! You did it with Lauri yuuiewyruitlonon, after all. <3

Also, I stopped listening to the Radio years ago because it's . Especially anything to do with Kerrang!, 'cause at the end of the day, it's not about music, it's about how much money they can make as a business, and as long as there is stupid people who will let people ram things down their throat and accept it as the truth, there will be people throwing money into pap like this.

Rock music has been a victim of fashionites for ages, though. It's KEWL 2 B A REBEL N ROCK MUZIKS IS REBEL!!11 So yeah.

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Originally Posted by DK

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Originally Posted by Zeldy

If they are attractive, great! I can make signatures of them. If they arnt? who cares, aslong as they're good at what they're doing.

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You can do that when they're ugly too! You did it with Lauri yuuiewyruitlonon, after all. <3

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very true :choc:

EDIT - also planet rock is a good radio station they never play any new crap :choc:

I don't think so, I know plenty bands that look "cool" and suck, and then I know plenty of bands that are awesome and don't look "cool."

GWAR, look cool, sucks.
http://www.starkult.de/downloads/content_pix/gwar.jpg

Edguy, look nerdy, rock.
http://www.kultfabrik.de/dasat/image...1353-edguy.jpg

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Originally Posted by DK

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Originally Posted by Zeldy

If they are attractive, great! I can make signatures of them. If they arnt? who cares, aslong as they're good at what they're doing.

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You can do that when they're ugly too! You did it with Lauri yuuiewyruitlonon, after all. <3

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Dan, that HURT. That hurt deep. :(
Lauri is not ugly xD

I used to like Kerrang! and buy the magazine, but It never contained bands I liked as Im wierd and like finnish music ;_______;

Music hasn't been about music for the last 200 years.

Some music is good. Like the hush sound.

And then again, some is bad, like some rap.

It depends how you mean by music being music. The majority of music is played because the musicans love to play music and perform infront of crowds, thats why I play, mainly because I enjoy it its kinda like a passion for me. Then you get the small majority that are in it for the publicity, for the money, for T.V. and for being a sex idol for women/men, those people are sell outs, fools, embarrisments to the music scene. It is a shame that so many artists are in the music scene for the money and not for the passion, the enjoyment. It kind pisses me off.

I think most musicians are in it for the music simply because there's not a lot of benefit to being in a band that never becomes rich and famous. :P

True. The bands that are rich and famous, i.e. prince, michel jackson, blue, robbie williams etc. Are in the Popular Music genre, or pop for short. Those bands have been exposed as just playing for the money and for the sex appeal. Its sad because almost all those who are rich and famous play music for the money, its kinda unfair on the people that play well, really well, much better than the pop genre. While some coked up twat is singing for money the bands that actually have talent and passion for music are left playing in bars and clubs, never actually getting to feel what it is like playing infront of thousands of people. I have, but only once in the maker festival down in cornwall. I tell you something, its the greatest feeling in the world to play infront of so many people.

If I like music I must like it. I never do it on any other standard it's either good enough for me to listen to or its not.:)

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Originally Posted by Brian The Pink Shark

It was probably some crappy emo haircut he had too.

And then they played the song which was crap as well

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That sounds an awful lot like something I'd say.

The music decides how good the music is.:rolleyes2

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Originally Posted by nik0tine

Music hasn't been about music for the last 200 years.

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Music is currently in a golden age. Never before has so much quality music been written and recorded (in my opinion of course). The problem is that, while huge amounts of great music is being produced and released daily, never before has so much crap music been released. The listeners who aren't particulary interested in music and have no desire to search for music themselves are drowned in the huge ocean of minimalistic commercial music, created to stimulate the the audience visually. It is easy to say "Music hasn't been any good since my favourite composer died." when you don't have the desire to investigate what contemporary music actually is, and prefer to generalize it using the few examples that manage reach the surface.

I know I've listed to a couple of bands because I loved their look - doesn't make me "bad" or "stupid". Just get over it, so what if some girl wanted to listen to a song because a guy in the band had cool hair. What's the matter? Do people always have to listen to music for some deep and meaningful reason?

... So the music just doesn't come out of my computer or cd player?

Humans make this?
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Why didn't anyone tell me? :(

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Originally Posted by Avarice-ness

... So the music just doesn't come out of my computer or cd player?

Humans make this?
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Why didn't anyone tell me? :(

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We all felt it better that you didn't know, sorry.

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Originally Posted by Rusty

I know I've listed to a couple of bands because I loved their look - doesn't make me "bad" or "stupid". Just get over it, so what if some girl wanted to listen to a song because a guy in the band had cool hair. What's the matter? Do people always have to listen to music for some deep and meaningful reason?

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i never said it made you stupid, i just said that if image is all the bands are about then we will lose all the good music that didnt need to get by on it's looks to impress people :choc:

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Originally Posted by Brian The Pink Shark

"Because The singer has cool hair"

"BECAUSE THE SINGER HAS COOL HAIR"!!!!

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girls have said far worse things about why they like music...like oh i don't know...'he's so dreamy' or the like...remember elvis?? a lot of girls probably couldn't even hear the music over their own screaming....or the beatles...or david bowie...no?

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Originally Posted by Rusty

I know I've listed to a couple of bands because I loved their look - doesn't make me "bad" or "stupid". Just get over it, so what if some girl wanted to listen to a song because a guy in the band had cool hair. What's the matter? Do people always have to listen to music for some deep and meaningful reason?

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Nope, people can listen to what they want. Just remember when you see those stuckup 18 yearolds in thier boybands that real talent is pushed aside when people listen to bands because of thier hair or sex appeal. Hell, that is what the whole genre of Popular Culture music is all about, its designed and engineered to make profit.

Kerrang went downhill ages ago. Last good mag they did was in 2001, after then it started getting pants.
I find that now I completly ignore how people look, how old they are and when the band were about.
I think that right now pretty much all popular rock/metal group all look the same and they ALL have the same hair. Apart form Muse. Because they've always been awesome <3

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Originally Posted by Rusty

I know I've listed to a couple of bands because I loved their look - doesn't make me "bad" or "stupid". Just get over it, so what if some girl wanted to listen to a song because a guy in the band had cool hair. What's the matter? Do people always have to listen to music for some deep and meaningful reason?

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Why don't you just look at pictures of them instead?

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Nope, people can listen to what they want. Just remember when you see those stuckup 18 yearolds in thier boybands that real talent is pushed aside when people listen to bands because of thier hair or sex appeal. Hell, that is what the whole genre of Popular Culture music is all about, its designed and engineered to make profit.

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You completely contradict what you say xD What happens in if I think say for example (hypothetical), Westlife has more talent that Elvis ever did and on top of that they're so much more good looking, also I'm attracted to the lead singer? What's it to you if I listen to a band because I think they're 'hot'?

If these people you talk about push aside 'real talent' in favour of 18 year olds in boy bands because of their "sex appeal" - doesn't that signal that maybe these "people" think that they are talented?

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Originally Posted by Rusty

If these people you talk about push aside 'real talent' in favour of 18 year olds in boy bands because of their "sex appeal" - doesn't that signal that maybe these "people" think that they are talented?

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Not if they listen to them because of their sex appeal, like you claim you do.

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Not if they listen to them because of their sex appeal, like you claim you do.

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I'm not claiming to do anything xD I'm just trying to say, if a girl wants to listen to a song because she likes the lead singers hair - what does it matter to anybody? She may have seen him in a magazine and wanted to see what his music was like?

quiet...i mean quite

and what if this initial infatuation or interest leads to a genuine appreciation for music?? i originally started listening to the beatles cause my older sister liked them...is that a more valid reason?

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Originally Posted by Rusty

You completely contradict what you say xD What happens in if I think say for example (hypothetical), Westlife has more talent that Elvis ever did and on top of that they're so much more good looking, also I'm attracted to the lead singer? What's it to you if I listen to a band because I think they're 'hot'?

If these people you talk about push aside 'real talent' in favour of 18 year olds in boy bands because of their "sex appeal" - doesn't that signal that maybe these "people" think that they are talented?

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Let me put it in a different way then.


It is unfair that boybands like Westlife get to play on stage infront of so many people when bands that have a lot more talent than them are left sitting in pubs and rundown clubs because the music scene prefers sex appeal to actual good music, hell if you wanna see good hairstyles and sexy boys/girls then go to a fasion show. Music is not about fasion or sex appeal music is about music, it seems so many people have actually forgotten about that, its a shame.

stoner, if you asked those same bands you are talking about, i don't know if they'd want to leave the bars...i loved playin in my hometown bar, but we sucked haha

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Originally Posted by Araciel

stoner, if you asked those same bands you are talking about, i don't know if they'd want to leave the bars...i loved playin in my hometown bar, but we sucked haha

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Thats a good point, but many people I know down in devon and dorset that play in bands are really upset. They have tried so many times to pick up thier pace, to get recording deals, to play gigs. Those bands get turned down because people who have more publicity and sex appeal apply to the same record studios/gig managers. That sucks, people prefer to see guys/girls with big tits or great bodies and hairstyle rather that see a band that actually has talent instead of singing like they are having orgasms all the time.

hahah well we were always about living the lifestyle, no matter how much money we had or were on tour...probably why we didn't have many fans...but that singing like they're having orgasms all the time thing is a good line...i think it describes the BEST singers though

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Originally Posted by Araciel

hahah well we were always about living the lifestyle, no matter how much money we had or were on tour...probably why we didn't have many fans...but that singing like they're having orgasms all the time thing is a good line...i think it describes the BEST singers though

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Fair enough, everyone is entiled to thier own opinions.

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Let me put it in a different way then.


It is unfair that boybands like Westlife get to play on stage infront of so many people when bands that have a lot more talent than them are left sitting in pubs and rundown clubs because the music scene prefers sex appeal to actual good music, hell if you wanna see good hairstyles and sexy boys/girls then go to a fasion show. Music is not about fasion or sex appeal music is about music, it seems so many people have actually forgotten about that, its a shame.

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By that's your view. Westlife get to play in huge concerts and such because they ARE a huge success, they've made millions. Surely they must have some talent. Just because a band doesn't play in a pub or rundown clubs and plays "pop" music doesn't mean they aren't talented. All music has to grow and some bands it takes longer. I know of heaps of small bands who are growing and gaining success - they come from pubs and clubs but have grow into their own record deals.

Westlife had to start somewhere, obviously the recording studio who bought them though they'd sell and they did. Who's to judge if they sold for their music, looks or both?

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Originally Posted by Rusty

By that's your view. Westlife get to play in huge concerts and such because they ARE a huge success, they've made millions. Surely they must have some talent. Just because a band doesn't play in a pub or rundown clubs and plays "pop" music doesn't mean they aren't talented. All music has to grow and some bands it takes longer. I know of heaps of small bands who are growing and gaining success - they come from pubs and clubs but have grow into their own record deals.

Westlife had to start somewhere, obviously the recording studio who bought them though they'd sell and they did. Who's to judge if they sold for their music, looks or both?

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First of all, I would like to aplogoise to you and other people here incase I was being harsh, you are all great people and im glad I can have good debates with you.

I can see where your coming from, but in my eyes and so many of my fellow musicans eyes, bands like that are not worthy to be called musicans. Musicans play for the enjoyment, the passion, the feeling and the experiance. Not to make money or steal womens hearts or boost sex appeal. But in a way, I see what you mean. There are some very talented pop groups out there, that dont flaunt thier sex appeal and dont give a monkeys if people think they look good or not. Those pop bands play for the joy of playing music, not to earn money. But I guess there are so many sub genres in the pop music culture that it is hard to define what I mean.

then why do you care if they get famous and you don't...just play for the music and if other people dig it, that's great

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Originally Posted by Araciel

then why do you care if they get famous and you don't...just play for the music and if other people dig it, that's great

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Im not bothered if I become famous or not, I just wanna enjoy playing music as much as I can. It just pisses me off when most people I have talked to think Blue or Westlife or 50 Cent or Dizzy Rascal are the greatest musical artists of all time.

well you're just in a bad place then hahaha most people i talk to like good stuff, but thats only my opinion