Was there a point in making this game?

~Alright the title is a little misleading, but's it's still on the same track.
First of all I have to say that I have barely played X-2 but I am officially starting the game tomorrow and not sure if I shoul be excited or a little bit scared.

See FF X is probably one of my favorite RPG's to come out on this gen of consoles. And I guess the reason that im scared to start X-2 is because it might ruin my experience of the over all FF X saga.

So my question to everyone who has played this game is this?After completing X-2 did your overall experience and love for the FF10 universe increase or decrease.

(I do have to appologize for my wording it's 3 a.m. and im not exactly at my brightest right now)

The game has a different atmosphere to X, it's more upbeat and silly. Everyone's happy now that Sin is gone, so alot of things have changed... Even though this is one of my faviroute games, I didn't like the way everyone's changed, but you can't expected everyone to be miserable forever...

So I suppose it's okay, oh and Yuna's come out of her shell now, which is actually quite scary.

This game will teach you more about Spira's past, and that an eternal calm is... Too good to be true lol.

The story isn't as in depth as X, and if you play through the game without any side quests then it's MUCH shorter. But the battle system is great, you should enjoy it (then again I know nothing about you).

Bear in mind alot of people hate X-2, I hope you dont become one of them :(

I dun have any love for FF X in the first place. :bigsmile:

FFX-2 was what redeemed FFX for me. I mean, I think FFX was one of the worst FFs in the series, if not the worst, and I was worried FFX-2 would be even worse, being a cheap cashing sequel. However, I liked FFX-2 a lot. It was everything FFX wasn't, which made me almost automatically like the game. :D I like the battle system, I really liked most of the characters and the world of Spira is fun to explore.

What I also liked was the way the final battle did a bit of tribute to FFX, showing how much the characters have changed after FFX's final battle, and thank goodness SE allowed the player to save after the mini-game and the long dialogue before the final battle! In FFX, you need to do the mini-game and watch the long cutscene if you lose the final battle or want to play it again. After playing FFX-2, I somewhat started to appreciate FFX a bit too.

In some weird sense, it made me appreciate FFX more, but only because I hated FFX-2 so severely.

To sum it all up, I hated FFX-2. I thought it should not have been made, and it was just some way for Square to do a fanservice (which shouldn't be done anyways; pandering, anyone?), and to make assloads of cash (since FF sales have been slowly declining since FFVII). It wasn't terrible beyond words, but it wasn't up to the same quality that all of the other FF games are. I wish, I truly do, because then I would find this game redeemable, that I could say that the game was rushed, but I cannot. For it was not.

Don't say "ohh, but it's a sequel, so it should be graded differently." Wrong. There were many sequels that Square produced in games, so they surely must have had experience. Chrono Trigger/Cross, FFV/FFV Unlimited. Sure they might have been vastly different, that makes them no less worth a play (or illegal downloading), since they were of similar quality. Not only that, what about FFI and FFII? May not have been direct, but it's no less a sequel in a series. IV and IIIj? VII and VI?

I loved FFX, the plot, the atmosphere, the characters (part of the plot, I guess). The game was a challenge, even when seriously underleveled. It kept you interested until the end, and was deep and intricate with many subplots and a rich history that, if you could, felt like you could immerse yourself in it to no end. There was no hope, but you never despaired. I had an obligation to myself, not to let it end the way it ends, but what's done is done. And lastly, maybe this seems like a typical boorish male response, but I LOVED Rikku. Pure <3. Intelligent, in some cases, wise, and really hot.

Then you get down to FFX-2. The game felt like an unfinished smattering of crap that throws away everything you fought for in FFX and completely changes it into something that really does just seem like Square wanted your money. Low difficulty. I'm not there for that; for you see, I want an experience, not some childish hack not worth my money. Sex appeal; what is this, some Charlie's Angels knockoff just to justify putting in what they put? If I wanted to see something like this, I would go and watch porn. Literally.

They took my favorite character, and STRIPPED her (not unlike pornography) into this dumb walking collection of sticks without any brain cells or clothes, whatsoever. She's no less physically attractive, but her value has diminished from priceless to around ten dollars worth in Pesos. And Pesos aren't exactly known for their international value. Playing the game soon felt like it wasn't an experience, just some obligation to the game after a few hours. Where was the sense of history, or deep thought? Where was the challenge? If I could have, I would have ripped out my controller right then and there and screamed, but if I had, I would've broken the PS2.

I know the FFX-2 fangirls are going to scream "NUUUUUUUUUUUU," but the truth is the truth. If you said "but once you get past Charlie's Angels" -- HAH! I beg to differ; I got past it (but I'll still use it to justify criticism), and I still found the game a worthless piece of crap. In fact, it didn't even occur to me until AFTER I finished the game. Thank God the poison that burned away the quality of FFX-2 wasn't there to render my love of FFX into a steaming pile of garbage. If it had, I would have lost all faith in the FF series as a whole.

However, there's nothing you can do, until you play the game, and judge for yourself. The only thing I hate worse than a FFX-2 fangirl (or boy) that is blind to the game's faults, or pretend that they aren't there, is people who criticize without having played the game at all. Unfortunately, this also applies to all of the FF fanboys/girls, who would never consider playing the old games, simply because they have been spoiled by the new generations.

Just the play the damn sequel to the game.

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Originally Posted by Christmas

I dun have any love for FF X in the first place. :bigsmile:

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Originally Posted by Magus of Zeal

Just the play the damn sequel to the game.

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That is just way to much hate right there.:(

After I finished 10-2 I liked 10 more (like someone else said, seeing the drop in quality in the sequel made me appreciate the original more), but the poignancy of its (10's) ending was kind of ruined for me because I knew it wasn't the REAL ending to Tidus'/Yuna's story >_<.

But yeah, I think you should just try it. Some people really like it, some obviously really hate it, I'm in between. I thought the first chapter was painful to get through, but the game got pretty interesting (imo) after that. And getting 100% completion is definitely not worth the effort, so just do the missions that sound fun to you (besides those you have to do) and find the Perfect Ending on YouTube or something :p

I loved this game but the plot/character development was nonexistent.Storywise,this game sucks.But it's fun nonetheless.But my least favorite thing about the game is...

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Originally Posted by Tavrobel

They took my favorite character, and STRIPPED her (not unlike pornography) into this dumb walking collection of sticks without any brain cells or clothes, whatsoever. She's no less physically attractive, but her value has diminished from priceless to around ten dollars worth in Pesos. And Pesos aren't exactly known for their international value.

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I personally think "hate" is too strong a word. If you liked FFX, you'll either like X-2 or like X all the more. That's all there is to it.
I didn't think the EXPERIENCE of X-2 was that horrible. Perhaps the main characters could have acted a little less like the sorority whores in your average high-school/college adolescent drama flick.
IMSO, the sequel probably would have had more success as a movie or a miniseries on television.

Games are for entertainment purposes, so if you aren't being entertained then no game has a point at all. If you're flexible and very forgiving, you will probably find a point to X-2, but it will most likely not be topping your favorite games ever list.

I had enough fun with it that I enjoy it. It didn't detract from X for me much. They feel so different when I'm playing X I just ignore X-2 even exists actually. When I play X-2 it feels more like fanfiction than a sequel, but I like it anyway :jess:

i quite liked ffx-2 , i liked to see how everyone was affected by the eternal calm , i really liked the battle system in this game lol i happened to find the game quite entertaining

I loved it but you should play for yourself to know if you like it.

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Originally Posted by RiseToFall

So my question to everyone who has played this game is this?After completing X-2 did your overall experience and love for the FF10 universe increase or decrease.

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Well i can say that i kinda understood better FFX--it has a lot of references and explains a lot of things-- and my love for the whole FF10 universe certainly increased!

I get the feeling that there were no plans for a sequel when FFX was being made. That would explain (SPOILER)the end of Sin, Summonable Aeons, and Tidus' poignant exit from Spira. It's like trying to write a sequel to FFVI without Kefka or Espers. I think FFX ended on the perfect note and to produce a sequel after the fact was unneccessary.

In addition, as was previously noted, the characterization of the carryover FFX characters was generally disappointing. Rikku's silly to start with, but a gun-totin' pop star version of Yuna is not an improvement over the shy but strong-willed Summoner. The loss of (SPOILER)Auron is also acutely felt.

I found the new characters in FFX-2 a lot more successful, partly because I didn't carry any previous expectations of them. I thought Leblanc and her henchmen were great, as was Gippal and Balarai. Lenne and Shuyin provided a nice counterpoint to Yuna and Tidus.

There actually was a lot to like about the game, plot and characterization aside. The battle system, flexible jobs, mini-games were all enjoyable. I'm sure that isn't enough for a lot of people though.

If you won't mind the fact that IT RUINS EVERYTHING FFX ACCOMPLISHED AND STOOD FOR, then go right ahead and buy it.

they should of nvr made it............those damn minigames got me so mad.....but the battle style kicks ass

To bring satan back to earth :D

thats what im saying even if you hate the story, which you shouldnt, tha fighting is so much fun, and super fast paced.

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Originally Posted by silentenigma

If you won't mind the fact that IT RUINS EVERYTHING FFX ACCOMPLISHED AND STOOD FOR, then go right ahead and buy it.

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X stood for crap :D

I played X before X2 and Im a much bigger fan of X2 then X. It just seemed like a fun girly, not so serious game to play. It did have a dark storyline to it, but it IMO catered for the female RPG player.

There is a reason, no matter how many times Lyly bends over I can't look, and I respect the.. reserved characterof Yuna.


However come X-2.... I like to make jokes about the characters being made into the love slaves of Coyote' down some hole.

They look the part in X-2.

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Originally Posted by Bert

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Originally Posted by silentenigma

If you won't mind the fact that IT RUINS EVERYTHING FFX ACCOMPLISHED AND STOOD FOR, then go right ahead and buy it.

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X stood for crap :D

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Haha, that's funny and almost even true. :D Seriously though, that's what I liked about FFX-2, it was everything FFX wasn't, which was a good thing to me since I didn't like FFX that much.

FFX-2 = Poor excuse for a game.

Seriously, it ruined a good ending and the story was...well, not one of my favourites. The characters were annoying. So yeah, I'm not fond of it.

I for one really enjoyed this game. I actually just played and beat it a couple of nights ago for the first time, but I really felt myself connect with Yuna. Maybe it's because I'm female and I'm such a sucker for romance. I really got into Yuna's character. Yuna's turned into a real little bad ass in this game and she certainly isn't afraid to speak her mind anymore, but yeah. Really I feel the game is wonderful and if you get "the ending" it is more than worth it, but that is just my opinion. Good luck and I hope you have fun playing!

I thought it was a good game
Sure it kind of stemmed off into areas
That don't match up exactly with X
But it was an overall good game. I say play it
and if you don't like it, than stop.

I really liked the set up of the game
The battle system and the setting of the abilities and such
Especially the "Game Plus Data" thing.
Very cool. So...yeah. Play it.

The purpose of the game was to make money. And it succeeded. I thought Final Fantasy X was too linear, even for a Japanese RPG, and I disliked the story and wasn't very crazy about many of the characters. I don't really understand why so many people love it, but I'd say it's just a middle-of-the-road entry in the series. FFX-2 was silly, but it had one of the best battle systems of any RPG I've played, so in that sense it was definitely worth playing. I think anyone who rails too hard on X-2 should take a good, hard look at Final Fantasy X and ask themselves why they think it's so good in the first place.

I hate X-2 so bad that I bought it thinking it would be good. I then played it for 20 minutes and then I threw it in a wood chipper then it took the pieces and melted them down to a pile of melted plastic. ANd I normaly like all FF games this was the worst in history and I can't see how anybody would like it.

Although my friend let me fight vagnugun at the end and I liked that part.

At first, I was drooling over the CG of final fantasy x-2 as they were so impressive(every final fantasy game has to have awesome CG) but however after playing for 10 minutes, I realized it was pretty stupid.The storyline didn't go pretty intense unlike final fantasy x. Additionally, I'm pretty surprised that some of you hate final fantasy x. IMO, I think it has a pretty interesting storyline..:p

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Originally Posted by silentenigma

If you won't mind the fact that IT RUINS EVERYTHING FFX ACCOMPLISHED AND STOOD FOR, then go right ahead and buy it.

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no it didnt.

if so, how?

what did FFX stand for? Final Fantasy Ten.
what did it accomplish? a new world of FF to linger and experience.

FFX-2 stood for Final Fantasy Ten. Two.
what did it accomplish? a renewed world of FF to linger and experience.

pretty sturdy to me...

Yes, there was a point to make this game. To make money.

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Originally Posted by Tsukasa

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Originally Posted by silentenigma

If you won't mind the fact that IT RUINS EVERYTHING FFX ACCOMPLISHED AND STOOD FOR, then go right ahead and buy it.

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no it didnt.

if so, how?

what did FFX stand for? Final Fantasy Ten.
what did it accomplish? a new world of FF to linger and experience.

FFX-2 stood for Final Fantasy Ten. Two.
what did it accomplish? a renewed world of FF to linger and experience.

pretty sturdy to me...

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Right O!

Hmm...personaly I don't think the game detracts from FFX at all, but I think FFX is a far superior game. The battle and leveling system is more traditional final fantasy-ish than tens, but in my opinion the story is not really suiting of a FF. Change isn't a bad thing, but i don't think it's a format other FF's should follow.

X-2 is just to make up for X's sad ending i guess...anyway...X-2 is 100% not fun at all...X wins it alot...

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Originally Posted by Mirage

Yes, there was a point to make this game. To make money.

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That,and to get more female players.

I liked X more than X-2...but I didn't hate
X-2 either...

The Point of X-2 was to torment its consumers.

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Originally Posted by RiseToFall

~Alright the title is a little misleading, but's it's still on the same track.
First of all I have to say that I have barely played X-2 but I am officially starting the game tomorrow and not sure if I shoul be excited or a little bit scared.

See FF X is probably one of my favorite RPG's to come out on this gen of consoles. And I guess the reason that im scared to start X-2 is because it might ruin my experience of the over all FF X saga.

So my question to everyone who has played this game is this?After completing X-2 did your overall experience and love for the FF10 universe increase or decrease.

(I do have to appologize for my wording it's 3 a.m. and im not exactly at my brightest right now)

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The point of the game is to make money and there is nothing wrong with that as far as I'm concerned. Square would not be making games if it was a charity. The game is an attempt to get more people interested in the series by making it more poppy.. I found they made it mroe fun and a refreshing change.

I cringed at the first scene, everyone does, but after that its fine. The game has its serious parts, funny parts, and boring parts. I thought the dressphere system was unique but too easy, and I liked the story.

Yes, this game gave me a better understanding of FFX, and I got 100% on second attempt, so there wasnt a stone left unturned in the game basically. It gives a lot of insight to the first game and I recommend if you play this game, to leave your seriousness at the door. This game was not made to be a breakthrough in gaming genuis, it was made to make money and fill the gaps in the original game. This is not even an attempt to create a new style of Final Fantasy for a lasting change.. they've been doing that from the day Final Fantasy 7 came out, but whos complaining?

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Originally Posted by Mirage

Yes, there was a point to make this game. To make money.

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Of course there was a point, my Smurf-cookie.

And it was nicely summed up by:

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Originally Posted by Mirage

Yes, there was a point to make this game. To make money.

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It doesn't really matter how 'good' the game was. People still brought it. And many people still enjoyed it. I unfortunately did not.

But whatever, it was still a game and a game worth trying. (Perhaps not buying :P)

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Yes, there was a point to make this game. To make money.

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Of course there was a point, my Smurf-cookie.

And it was nicely summed up by:

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Originally Posted by Mirage

Yes, there was a point to make this game. To make money.

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It doesn't really matter how 'good' the game was. People still brought it. And many people still enjoyed it. I unfortunately did not.

But whatever, it was still a game and a game worth trying. (Perhaps not buying :P)

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Gee guys I know all of you like that witty remark from Mirage, but if you only look at my post

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So my question to everyone who has played this game is this?After completing X-2 did your overall experience and love for the FF10 universe increase or decrease.

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I know you guys are answering the name of the thread but technaclly it's not the actual question.

Actually I really don't care an answer is an answer I guess, but whatever.

Oh. I'm sorry I didn't see that. :p :cat:

Well...I don't believe it changed too much. I thought the game was rather unnecessary, but I still thought it was moderately enjoyable, so it didn't hurt the FFX universe to me, but at the same time, I didn't think it really heightened my enjoyment of it because of it being unnecessary.

Mine increased IT'S GREAT!!!!!!!!! :D

Well
Ya Square probably saw alot of profit in it
plus its not THAT bad of a game
It's always nice to have an official ending, isnt it?
I just think x-2 it was kind of weak.
It was set up from the beggining... When they started ffX.
Those bastards!
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Who am I kidding....
I love Square.:cry:

Necessary, probably not. Enjoyable, yes. I've got to say (because I loved FFX) that I was whole-heartedly sad at the end of X. I'm just glad the story of X-2 ended with something that made me happier.

Yeah but why does every game need to have that fairytale ending? Just because it's a happy ending does not mean it's a good ending.

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Originally Posted by Mirage

Yes, there was a point to make this game. To make money.

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Right. And it just so happens to be a lot of fun. They made a silly sequel to a game with a pretty meh plotline, so personally I don't care. I enjoyed X-2 more than X simply due to the absolutely addictive battle system.

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Originally Posted by polonoid

That,and to get more female players.

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My sentiments exactly! The whole Dressphere thing seemed like an "improved" way of playnig Barbie Dolls by dressing them up. Also this is the first FF with an all-female cast of protagonists.

Most of the BGM was terrible, a hybrid of J-Pop and Disneyland, which generally appeals to women.

And as an anonymous fan said, "FFX starts with the destruction of a city. FFX-2 starts with...a pop concert..."

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Originally Posted by Tavrobel

Then you get down to FFX-2. The game felt like an unfinished smattering of crap that throws away everything you fought for in FFX and completely changes it into something that really does just seem like Square wanted your money. Low difficulty. I'm not there for that; for you see, I want an experience, not some childish hack not worth my money. Sex appeal; what is this, some Charlie's Angels knockoff just to justify putting in what they put? If I wanted to see something like this, I would go and watch porn. Literally.

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Then again, there is porn in FFX-2. What of the hot spring scene? And that Sphere which Logos showed that focused on the girls' asses? And at Chp4 where you inspect the entire Spira with CommSpheres. You log onto Mushroom Rock Road then it shows a close-up of Lucil's ass.

The point was to keep people busy until more Kingdom Hearts game came out and/or FFXII.

If that wasn't the point then I'm not sure what the point was. :(

Well, I was afraid that my love for FFX would be lessened due to FFX-2, but when you actually think about it, that would be stupid. They're two separate games, and the fact that you didn't like one shouldn't affect your feelings over the other. Just pretend it doesn't exist if you don't like it. IT NEVER HAPPENED.

And just for kicks, I agree with whoever said that you don't need a happy ending. They can really cheapen a movie, game, or book sometimes. If that's the right word. Anyways, I liked FFX's ending quite a bit.

No, the true point of this game was...Yuna's cleavage. Seriously, they wanted to give fanboys something to drool over. Leave it to Nomura to crank up the hornball factor.

FFX-2 was fun to me, gameplay-wise. I thought the story was lame, as were the characters. (SPOILER)Bringing Tidus back in the end of FFX-2 was just a bad idea altogether, it totally ruined the emotion of the final scene of FFX, so that now whenever I play it I don't feel anything because I know (SPOILER)Tidus is going to come back in FFX-2.

It was ok i own it I used code braker on it I liked Vneagun at the end

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Originally Posted by Mirage

Yes, there was a point to make this game. To make money.

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Right. And it just so happens to be a lot of fun. They made a silly sequel to a game with a pretty meh plotline, so personally I don't care. I enjoyed X-2 more than X simply due to the absolutely addictive battle system.

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I enjoyed FFX-2. I've got over 300 hours of playtime :p. It was the battle system that saved it for me, I can look past a sloppy story if the gameplay is good enough.