Student tazered at UCLA for not having his ID

http://digg.com/videos_people/Studen..._14_06_11_30pm

Please spread the video around [click on the headline for it]. Read the comments [not on youtube, but digg] too, they're rather informative.

And yes, he was only tazered for not having his ID, NBC4 reports. Then he couldn't get up off the floor when cops demanded because he was tazered, they did it again.

Frightening scene. Spread the video to other forums, they deserve a scandal.




This was posted on another forum I frequent. I thought this video was absolutely horrifying, and the police acted in a completely unnecessary way. Don't stay quiet about this, spread it around.

I can't believe this. :(

It's not like anyone's life was in danger until the police tazered him. :(

Thats horrible, they should be arrested themselves. I think this belongs in EOEO.

This is just sickening.

Oh yeah, definitely sickening!

People over at UCLA are ANIMALS. They eat human flesh and they're cloning people too! Ahhhh!

You would think that they would be able to handle one guy without resorting to a series of electric shocks.

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I think this belongs in EOEO.

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People can choose if they want to make threads in GC or EoEO. We don't move 'em between the two.

I have no sympathy for the victim. I'm not saying I agree with what the cops did, 'cause that was ridiculous, but that guy was acting like a complete idiot. Who the hell screams at the top of their lungs at cops just because they ask to see some ID?

Not only are UCLA's campus police corrupt, but so is every law enforcement agency in the city of Los Angeles (after all, LAPD has a history of corruption). This is outright sickening.

If I saw anything like this at my school, I would definitely start a riot. This bull[img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img] is uncalled for.

Upon googling the incident, I found that bystanders were also threatened with being tazered if they got too close, and one student even got a tazer threat just for asking for the officer's name and badge number. How much more corrupt does it get than that?

he should sue them thats is way wrong, he was incapable of standing after tazering why tazer him again if he cant stand. i see this as abuse of power. I have been tazered before, I volunteered and I know how it feels. It makes your limbs almost useless it took about ten minutes for me to recover, I could not move my legs for that time to even gain felling again to move them. twice is to much in a four minute period also doing that to teenager is almost worse than a criminal getting tazered twice. If you have a parent who's a lawyer send the link and find out all the details. Abuse of power those two should lose their jobs and go work security at a post office. (easy case to end, open and closed case)

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I think this belongs in EOEO.

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People can choose if they want to make threads in GC or EoEO. We don't move 'em between the two.

I have no sympathy for the victim. I'm not saying I agree with what the cops did, 'cause that was ridiculous, but that guy was acting like a complete idiot. Who the hell screams at the top of their lungs at cops just because they ask to see some ID?

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Granted, he was acting a bit foolish before the tazing. If you listen carefully though, after he's been shocked the first time, he screams, "I have a medical condition!" I'd freak out too, tbh.

Place went to hell ever since I left.

I think that was a few too many tazers, but it's not like the guy wasn't being completely stupid about it.

I think that all policemen should be charged with felonies for abuses of power like this. If an MP did this, they'd be court martialed. Policemen are afforded power that no one else is allowed to have. If they abuse that they should spend the next ten years rotting in a prison cell.

In fact, I think all people with power should go to jail for abusing it. Politicians, police, the military, all of them should face severe prison sentances for even minor abuses of power.

Edit: I couldn't see the video for some reason, so I can only go off of what people have said.

Um, why was that guy acting so dramatic? I realize he was tazered, but he was acting agressively even before he was tazered . Still, that doesn't give them a reason to tazer him. It's not like he physically threatining them, or anything. Though I'm not surprised, because alot of cops tend to be horrible people. Besides, all they keep saying is "stand up" how annoying and disruptive to the students and just because the guy didn't have his ID. I love how all the liberal students are saying something though it's none of their buisiness anyway.

With things like this it's hard to draw conclusions without being directly involved. I hope there is an investigation, and the matter is dealt with by those qualified.

Man, I hope they get the people who did this. If they tried this trash at my school I'd give them a knuckle sandwich!

Nah, he was being a complete jerk.

How can you say that? The guy was minding his own business and then got tazed up the woohoo. Sure, if I met him in a dark alley I'd probably give him a knuckle sandwich too, but this was excessive. Maybe he overplayed it, but you can't just go around tazin' people willynilly. Just cuff him and toss his carcass out of there. That's how they do it in bars.

Someones gona sue.

For you people defending the officers in any way: http://dailybruin.ucla.edu/news/articles.asp?id=38958

What people who witnessed it said:

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"It was the most disgusting and vile act I had ever seen in my life," said David Remesnitsky, a 2006 UCLA alumnus who witnessed the incident.

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As the student and the officers were struggling, bystanders repeatedly asked the police officers to stop, and at one point officers told the gathered crowd to stand back and threatened to use a Taser on anyone who got too close.

Laila Gordy, a fourth-year economics student who was present in the library during the incident, said police officers threatened to shoot her with a Taser when she asked an officer for his name and his badge number.

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Arrest him if he won't leave. Don't keep tasering him because he won't get up. That's horrible.

Oh those silly Westerners. You won't see that kind of trash on the East Coast.

Yeah, on the east coast you just have the lacrosse team getting accused of rape. We're so uncivilized here.

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Yeah, on the east coast you just have the lacrosse team getting accused of rape. We're so uncivilized here.

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Well... the players were from the west coast! *has no idea*

I thought the title of the thread was "Student Retarded at UCLA."

I was going to agree, but it looks like the cops are dumber.

I think the three that were accused and charged were from N. Carolina.

Wow. I don't know what to say about this. Yeah, the student was being a jerk, but that in no way justifies what the officers did. That was out of line. :mad:

That's just bad on both sides.


And being tazered isn't that bad. :rolleyes2

Perhaps he was being too dramatic, but the police were out of line to begin with. He was leaving and they should've let him leave. A lot of people say, "He should've just done what the police told him." The police are there to enforce law, not to make it. You don't just do what the police say if you know that they aren't within their rights to do so.

If he'd not 'looked like a terrorist' this probably wouldn't have happened. They were still using the tazer after he was in cuffs and on the ground. You shouldn't need to use a tazer unless you are in danger. They made as much of a scene by tazering him over and over. As many cops as there were they could've easily just carried him out.

Also, a tazer causes your muscles to contract. Some extended tazering could potentially render him unable to physicalliy stand. Yet they would tazer him and tell him to immediately stand up. This is obviously wrong. Additionally, an officer cannot refuse to give his badge number or identification if it is asked for. Students were asking for it and the police are threating to tazer them as well.

This is gross abuse of power and I'm glad he made the scene that he did to point this out. I hope more and more people catch this type of abuse on camera phones and such so that police will stop feeling so omnipotent and acting beyond reasonable force.

Tazer's are legal in the UK just about for police officers to carry as a non-lethal method to protect themselves against guns or knives (most comonly knives). We had a massive stink about the use of tazers and whether the police should get them or not because the electronic current passing through the victim could infact stop his heart. They work on a HUGE amount of power not just the 90 or so volts it would take to hurt someone enough to make most think twice.

They also leave fully healthy, strong adult men completely unable to stand for several minutes. Seeing as the video was 6 minutes 53 seconds long this means that the Victim did not have time for his muscles to function properly. I heard/saw the tazer being used on him atleast 4 times in that video. 4 times in 6 minutes thats roughly once every 1.5 minutes if we go by an average.

There is the medical side of this to consider, they delivered the tazer shots quite quickly together and in the same spot and the embarassment side of it. Repeated shocks of that level would most likely leave the student unable to control basic muscle functions such as bladder or anal control.

As for the other students being threatened with the tazers? Yeah you see and hear the girl who was quoted one Laila Gordy ask the univeristy campus police for their badge numbers, the police officers reply is muffled by the sounds of screams as the guy is tazered again in the back ground but immediately after as they walk through towards the main hall the same girl can quite clearly be heard to say that they threatened her with a tazer. Straight through in to the main hall at the bottom of the stool is a confrontation between a student and two officers. By this point I counted no less than 4 officers, more than enough to have man-handled the original victim out of the room. However what do they do? Threaten the spectators and the ones demanding their badge numbers with Tazers. I'm going to try my best to quote the cop here but when told that this was brutality he answered along the lines of "This is brutality? If you want brutality carry on" to which a second officer steps up and says something about stepping back or being Tazered too.

The video becomes hazy as more and more people are speaking and calling at the officers to stop their actions. However from the sudden screams I would say that the victim was tazered twice more bringing the count to 4 minimum. Right at the end when they drag him off (I have seen plenty of people dragged around btw, became a normal thing at the clubs I have drunk in) I believe he had actually been knocked out by the pain of the tazers. This guy was not exactly 150 kilos of muscle he was probably about 70 kilos if that thats a lot of pain to be put through, since these tazers are meant to if I have heard this right be able to shock a cow and cause it to stop. A cow weighs on average a ton.

Brutality? Yes, Lawsuit, HELL YES.

UCLA police will be very lucky to keep their jobs and freedom for this one. Also heres another interesting line in the video crackling through from a nearby officers radio "What's going on over there? We're recieving calls about this" I couldn't pick out the reply.

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Oh those silly Westerners. You won't see that kind of trash on the East Coast.

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If he would have flipped out in the library at NYU, he would have been shot.

Then there would really be a story.

Ya'know, when you get tased, especially in the lower back like they did, you loose can control of your legs and effectively get stunned..

I hate the other students who were watching. That is when you jump in and punch the cops. I love how the student blames the patriot act, when politicians from all over the board will eventually be pushing for federal ID. Imagine when you forget to bring that out of your house :rolleyes2 This is why I am strictly against all this IDing and affirmative action based on racism and idealism of individuals in power.

Wheither or not the guy was out of line, being tazered is completely out of order. They could've simply handcuffed him, and have two officers carry him out.

Besides everything else, tazers can immobilize muscle function, so how the hell could he stand up? 6 people with 6 tasers is absolutely ridiculous. Those bullies should be brought to court for simply abusing their power.

You have to imagine that the rest of the students are foolhardy and unwise. They have scholarships, their criminal records (or lack thereof), and other self-motivated goals like 'not getting arrested' to think about.

I agree that what was done to the person was wrong, but don't expect everybody to start rioting and punching cops. That's just dumb.

That's sick. I don't think I'd be able to just stand there and watch.

I don't understand how cops can taser someone and expect them to immediately get up...

Or even why they tasered him in the first place. There were two cops, there was little sign of an actual physical struggle brewing, he said he was leaving, albeit loudly. He didn't want to leave, that much was certain, but they could have easily of put him in handcuffs and taken him out via that method.

Instead, they choose to taser him so that he's jelly, unable to really cooperate if he wanted to.

GET UP!

Taser

GET UP!

Taser


That makes no sense at all.



But what makes me even more incensed is that all those students simply stood there - standing, nothing more. They all just stood there soaking up the sight to pass on to friends and relatives. They were watching a story of abuse, nothing more.

Why did none press the matter at hand? I heard questions of badge numbers and how it's so wrong, but nothing more really. Where was the action. Are we so damned afraid of those in authority that we are not allowed to question or act on our moral values and compassions?

WTF?

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I don't understand how cops can taser someone and expect them to immediately get up...

Or even why they tasered him in the first place. There were two cops, there was little sign of an actual physical struggle brewing, he said he was leaving, albeit loudly. He didn't want to leave, that much was certain, but they could have easily of put him in handcuffs and taken him out via that method.

Instead, they choose to taser him so that he's jelly, unable to really cooperate if he wanted to.

GET UP!

Taser

GET UP!

Taser


That makes no sense at all.



But what makes me even more incensed is that all those students simply stood there - standing, nothing more. They all just stood there soaking up the sight to pass on to friends and relatives. They were watching a story of abuse, nothing more.

Why did none press the matter at hand? I heard questions of badge numbers and how it's so wrong, but nothing more really. Where was the action. Are we so damned afraid of those in authority that we are not allowed to question or act on our moral values and compassions?

WTF?

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The cops threatened others with the Taser too but even so i would have done something im not one to fight but I would have done something like try to show the cops he can't get up and to stope acting like assholes!

watching that video brought chills up my spine it was sickening. for once in my life I didn't feel like eating anything.

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You have to imagine that the rest of the students are foolhardy and unwise. They have scholarships, their criminal records (or lack thereof), and other self-motivated goals like 'not getting arrested' to think about.

I agree that what was done to the person was wrong, but don't expect everybody to start rioting and punching cops. That's just dumb.

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I pit humanity above these. And yes, I have done this before while my sister was having a seizure and a cop was kicking her and telling her to get up. He said she was on drugs, the hospital said different. No lawsuit nothing. I never even got touched for it. It is easily defendable, and I would rather do what I can to defend someone I know is innocent.

If we as a people are not allowed to intervene when those in power are obviously abusing their position, then there is something terribly wrong.

Here is a link with more information:
http://dailybruin.ucla.edu/news/articles.asp?id=38958

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At around 11:30 p.m., CSOs asked a male student using a computer in the back of the room to leave when he was unable to produce a BruinCard during a random check. The student did not exit the building immediately.

The CSOs left, returning minutes later, and police officers arrived to escort the student out. By this time the student had begun to walk toward the door with his backpack when an officer approached him and grabbed his arm, at which point the student told the officer to let him go. A second officer then approached the student as well.

The student began to yell "get off me," repeating himself several times.

It was at this point that the officers shot the student with a Taser for the first time, causing him to fall to the floor and cry out in pain. The student also told the officers he had a medical condition.

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So he was ALREADY LEAVING the building before they began questioning him, which subsequently led to this... scene...

Blatant tazer abuse.

I've seen other videos similar to this one involving police officers and tazers. :/

How many god damn times did they say "stand up?"

I think the reason the people just stood there was because they were scared, or didn't want to get involved. Also the police were threatening to tazer anyone who got too close, so, if I were there, I wouldn't get too close.

Oh what people do when they're power hungry.

Something needs to be done about this. Even if the guy was out of order this shouldn't have been done. I can see tasering him once if he was very rowdy, but they did it to him how many times because he would refuse to stand up? This is bull****.

*goes to spread this video all over the place*

I'm not surprised, it's America.

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I think the three that were accused and charged were from N. Carolina.

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No they're all from the North East. Maryland for one and NY for the other two, I believe.

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Why did none press the matter at hand? I heard questions of badge numbers and how it's so wrong, but nothing more really. Where was the action. Are we so damned afraid of those in authority that we are not allowed to question or act on our moral values and compassions?

WTF?

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Cause they don't wanna get tased either.

As for the link to the UCLA's Daily Bruin, (and I hope I ain't stepping on toes here) but they're known for lacking objectivity concerning student events. I'm not saying they're presenting the events in an untruthful way, but there's clearly a lack of equity and reciprocity in the article. Part of this is because the article went to print so soon after the event. The student in question probably hadn't even been processed by the time this was written.

However, I'm pretty much in agreement with everyone else here. This was an example of excessive force, in my opinion. Attempts at physical restraint should always be made before you use a taser on someone, and likely they would have been able to easily physically restrain him. And the threat of use of force on the crowd is absolutely uncalled for.

Nobody cares, you're all bleeding hearts. I only hope he [img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img] his pants when they zapped him.

Cruise Control, YOU don't care. Obviously other people do care as this thread clearly shows. And I'd rather have a bleeding heart than no heart at all.

Anyway, the UCLA campus security is actually directly linked to LAPD. And y'all have no idea how completely screwed up the LAPD can be. Police brutality, racism, corruption, I really really have a severe disdain for the LAPD.

Also, complete WTF at the dude screaming about the Patriot Act. I mean, what the hell is up with that? And is that really the first thing you think of while be zapped? Still, that video was pretty disgusting to watch. Although I don't blame any of the students there for not stepping in. Those officers were obviously absusive, I wouldn't expect many people to step into that mess and risk their own safety.

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What the hell is that supposed to mean?

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Nobody cares, you're all bleeding hearts. I only hope he [img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img] his pants when they zapped him.

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Lol.

What?! That entire scene was a load of crap, and those officers should be thrown into jail and spend the next decade of their life rotting in a cell. Telling him to get up after getting tasered is an incredibly stupid thing to do. That's the equivalent of telling somebody to sing to you after you rip out their vocal chords. That was completely unnecessary, and a blatant abuse of power. They should be fired immediately. That entire situation is totally and utterly sickening and repulsive.

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Also, complete WTF at the dude screaming about the Patriot Act. I mean, what the hell is up with that? And is that really the first thing you think of while be zapped?

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That made me O_o too. Seriously, who would think of that?

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Also, complete WTF at the dude screaming about the Patriot Act. I mean, what the hell is up with that? And is that really the first thing you think of while be zapped?

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That made me O_o too. Seriously, who would think of that?

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They tapped his phones before they shocked him? I dunno.

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Anyway, the UCLA campus security is actually directly linked to LAPD. And y'all have no idea how completely screwed up the LAPD can be. Police brutality, racism, corruption, I really really have a severe disdain for the LAPD.

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Even though i'm not from LA, i can get a pretty good picture of what they're like from the way 2Pac used to rave on about them and that fits the discription.

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Cruise Control, YOU don't care. Obviously other people do care as this thread clearly shows. And I'd rather have a bleeding heart than no heart at all.

Anyway, the UCLA campus security is actually directly linked to LAPD. And y'all have no idea how completely screwed up the LAPD can be. Police brutality, racism, corruption, I really really have a severe disdain for the LAPD.

Also, complete WTF at the dude screaming about the Patriot Act. I mean, what the hell is up with that? And is that really the first thing you think of while be zapped? Still, that video was pretty disgusting to watch. Although I don't blame any of the students there for not stepping in. Those officers were obviously absusive, I wouldn't expect many people to step into that mess and risk their own safety.

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I've detested LAPD ever since the Rodney King incident.

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For you people defending the officers in any way: http://dailybruin.ucla.edu/news/articles.asp?id=38958

What people who witnessed it said:

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"It was the most disgusting and vile act I had ever seen in my life," said David Remesnitsky, a 2006 UCLA alumnus who witnessed the incident.

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As the student and the officers were struggling, bystanders repeatedly asked the police officers to stop, and at one point officers told the gathered crowd to stand back and threatened to use a Taser on anyone who got too close.

Laila Gordy, a fourth-year economics student who was present in the library during the incident, said police officers threatened to shoot her with a Taser when she asked an officer for his name and his badge number.

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Arrest him if he won't leave. Don't keep tasering him because he won't get up. That's horrible.

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Do you really believe that this story present both sides to this problem? And what the hell was the guy doing screaming at the top of his lungs? This whole thing is ridiculous; the cops were strict with their authority. They asked repeatedly for the guy to stand up, and the guy refused. The guy was hysterical.

It's nice to not notice how this whole thing could have been avoided; if the guy had his ID, everything would have been fine. Had he cooperated in the first place, things wouldn't have been so drastic.

Perhaps both sides were at fault, but this is in no way solely the cops' fault.

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Cruise Control, YOU don't care. Obviously other people do care as this thread clearly shows. And I'd rather have a bleeding heart than no heart at all.

Anyway, the UCLA campus security is actually directly linked to LAPD. And y'all have no idea how completely screwed up the LAPD can be. Police brutality, racism, corruption, I really really have a severe disdain for the LAPD.

Also, complete WTF at the dude screaming about the Patriot Act. I mean, what the hell is up with that? And is that really the first thing you think of while be zapped? Still, that video was pretty disgusting to watch. Although I don't blame any of the students there for not stepping in. Those officers were obviously absusive, I wouldn't expect many people to step into that mess and risk their own safety.

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I've detested LAPD ever since the Rodney King incident.

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Guilt by association.

Edit by Psychotic: Don't double post, Hawkeye.

Think about it:
Your a cop, and you have a family. They love you (for some god-forsaken reason). It's your job to protect civilians, but you also are responsible for your family. It's your job to make it home alive, every night.

Now, if I asked some kid for his ID, and he starts yelling and screaming like he's on PCP, I'd worry. I'd be like dude, wtf. Your responsibility is to survive, so I'd remove the threat. I would have done it in a lethal fashion, so congrats to the LAPD for being Humane.

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Even though i'm not from LA, i can get a pretty good picture of what they're like from the way 2Pac used to rave on about them and that fits the discription.

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Because we all know, 2PAC was a wellspring of reliable, unbiased information

EDIT: I changed it from is a wellspring, to was a wellspring. Since he's dead, not in Miami. One pothead down, an incredibly large amount to go.

That video was hilarious. That man is screaming like a mothersmurfer even before he got the [img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img] tazered out of him. I would have shocked him too, what a loud mouth. I swear.

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Now, if I asked some kid for his ID, and he starts yelling and screaming like he's on PCP, I'd worry. I'd be like dude, wtf. Your responsibility is to survive, so I'd remove the threat. I would have done it in a lethal fashion, so congrats to the LAPD for being Humane.

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... wow.

Perhaps you aren't aware of what university life is like. It's pretty easy to forget your ID card when going somewhere. I've been caught in a similar situation where I went to work on something long before a curfew and then it get's late while I'm working and they start checking IDs and I don't have it on me and they send me packing.

So because I forget my ID I should be tazered? I'm sorry, but if I was leaving under my own will and a cop felt the need to grab my arm I would think "WTF" Cops are NOT the law. If they do something that is out of line you DO NOT have to put up with it. Maybe your life would be easier if you just bent over and dropped your pants like they want you to, but that doesn't make it right.


Here's an example. If you are driving late at night and you get pulled over, you have the right to drive to a well lit area before actually pulling over. So if some lady gets pulled over and cracks the window and the cop asks her to step out and she doesn't feel safe... shouldn't she say she'll drive to a well lit area first? If the cop says no and insists are you saying she should just do what he says?

Hell no. It's her right to drive to a well lit area and there is no reason a cop shouldn't let her. You shouldn't just give in because a cop says so. They are no omnipotent. They work within the framework of the law too and if they are violating your rights you can challenge that.


BTW... could the immature, pre-pubescent boys stop responding to this threads with the whole "I woulda shot his ass if he pulled that" type attitude. This is a serious issue.

Now the thing is... I find it hard to believe they would do this over ID. I just have trouble beleiving it. I have no idea why an officer of the law would abuse his position this much, unless he was evil or completely insane. And I don't know how either types could become a police officer.

Somehow I think there must be more to this story. Or it could be that I'm Canadian. This would never happen in Canada over an ID. I don't even know if we have or need University security.

If this truly was over ID, and I am willing to accept the possibility, I cannot accept the injustice of it.

And as for bipper's comment... would you truly run to the defense of a complete stranger against two armed guards, bipper, as they threatened you? I doubt it. That the bystanders moved against them at all was enough.

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I agree that what was done to the person was wrong, but don't expect everybody to start rioting and punching cops. That's just dumb.

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I completely disagree. When the law proves that it cannot handle itself rioting is perfectly justified from a moral standpoint. Although, nobody should be blamed for not rioting.

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Do you really believe that this story present both sides to this problem? And what the hell was the guy doing screaming at the top of his lungs? This whole thing is ridiculous; the cops were strict with their authority. They asked repeatedly for the guy to stand up, and the guy refused. The guy was hysterical.

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Of course not. I'm sure the guy was at fault, but the cops abused their power. From what I hear, this is obvious. Tasering someone more than twice is asanine. I don't care if he had a gun and had attempted to kill the officers. You don't taser someone more than twice, ever, regardless of the circumstances.

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It's nice to not notice how this whole thing could have been avoided; if the guy had his ID, everything would have been fine. Had he cooperated in the first place, things wouldn't have been so drastic.

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That's not the issue here. People are going to be idiots, and cops have to deal with it correctly, even at their own expense.

Even minor abuses of power should not be tolerated. These cops should rot in prison for ten to fifteen years for this. Their lives need to be thrown away and we need to make an example out of them.

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Now the thing is... I find it hard to believe they would do this over ID. I just have trouble beleiving it. I have no idea why an officer of the law would abuse his position this much, unless he was evil or completely insane. And I don't know how either types could become a police officer.

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After having met many people my age who aspire to be cops it doesn't surprise me. The job naturally attracts terrible, vile people.

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Now the thing is... I find it hard to believe they would do this over ID. I just have trouble beleiving it. I have no idea why an officer of the law would abuse his position this much, unless he was evil or completely insane. And I don't know how either types could become a police officer.

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After having met many people my age who aspire to be cops it doesn't surprise me. The job naturally attracts terrible, vile people.

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It's not that way in Canada, as far as I can see. I think you're generalizing. To me, a person who would want to be a policeman is honourable and self-sacrificing; at least, one who wants to be a policeman for the right reasons.

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Do you really believe that this story present both sides to this problem?

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Of course not. The video, however, does.

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Originally Posted by Hawkeye

And what the hell was the guy doing screaming at the top of his lungs?

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He was being a jerk, so that justifies torture? I'm assuming you're refering to before they started pumping electricity into him. After that point, it was likely due to pain.

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This whole thing is ridiculous; the cops were strict with their authority. They asked repeatedly for the guy to stand up, and the guy refused. The guy was hysterical.

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At risk of pointing out the obvious, the guy had just been tasered! Tasering can render a person incapable of standing for up to 15 minutes. I'd be pretty damn hysterical in that situation myself.

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It's nice to not notice how this whole thing could have been avoided; if the guy had his ID, everything would have been fine. Had he cooperated in the first place, things wouldn't have been so drastic.

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He was leaving when this [img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img] started. As in-not staying. As in-doing what they told him to do. He also screamed "I'll leave" repeatedly as they were shocking him.

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Now the thing is... I find it hard to believe they would do this over ID. I just have trouble beleiving it. I have no idea why an officer of the law would abuse his position this much, unless he was evil or completely insane. And I don't know how either types could become a police officer.

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While it may be different in Canada, police abusing their power is pretty much SOP in America. Most cops are decent, but there are plenty of sadists and assholes in the feild. Positions of power tend to attract people like that.

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It's not that way in Canada, as far as I can see. I think you're generalizing. To me, a person who would want to be a policeman is honourable and self-sacrificing; at least, one who wants to be a policeman for the right reasons.

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It is that way in the united states though. From what I can tell, this particular job is particularily prone to attracting two particular types of people. There is the noble guy who really, truly wants to help others and to 'protect and serve' and then there is the unintelligent (usually massive and hulking), mean, insecure, powerhungry douchebag with a bad case of 'mangolomania'.

Unfortunately, there are for more men with mangolomania than there are people with actual morals. It's unfortunate, but because there are less decent people there will inevitably be less decent cops than there are bad cops.

That's not to say there aren't decent cops. I got pulled over a few months ago by a cop who turned out to be one of the kindest men I have ever had the opportunity of seeing just 'randomly'.

I got stopped the other day (granted, it was my fault) by a fat, hulking dumb douche bag who couldnt stop screaming at me and could not keep a level head.

So yes, there are both, but there are more [img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img]ty cops than good cops.

Sick wrong and reaveiling at the truth of the world, don't trust police currupt and ingnorant.

That thing has me hooked on watching videos of people getting tazed. Not that I thought it was amusing or anything. >_>

I still think its hilarious.

That's because you're sick.

Classy people see that as a entertainig seen probably cause he/she is rich. i.e: Genji, my cousins/borthers and so on

Actually, I'm not rich. Make sure you know the details about me before you speak about me, kthxbai.

I mean no offense in example moma always told me to be an example is to be respected...or something along those lines. plus I have been hit by tazers it either tightens the muscles or loosens(by no use or movent) depending if he and or she blacks out our or passes out. It is also much worse when somone has a medical condition.

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It's not that way in Canada, as far as I can see. I think you're generalizing. To me, a person who would want to be a policeman is honourable and self-sacrificing; at least, one who wants to be a policeman for the right reasons.

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And that is why Canada is better than America :bigsmile:

Read this thread, it's pretty interesting to have input from a possible eyewitness: http://messageboard.tuckermax.com/sh...ad.php?t=12336

I love the argument "he was being a jerk, therefore the tazing was justified."

If he was being that much of a jackass and refusing to leave, arrest him. If he physically resists arrest, then taze his ass. But they tazed him for... being obnoxious?

Well, according to the link provided by Endless, the tazes he got while on the ground were less than usual. I'm not sure how much less. I've been hit with a stun gun before and let me tell you it hurts like hell even on a low setting. The guy did have a point that if the kid can whine about the Patriot Act then he can probably get up under his own power.

I think he was milkin' it.

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Read this thread, it's pretty interesting to have input from a possible eyewitness: http://messageboard.tuckermax.com/sh...ad.php?t=12336

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Um. That account of things seems to go against all the other eyewitness accounts I've read, including this one:

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The first thing I noticed was the student shout “don’t touch me” the very first time when he was still as his desk (a little earlier than when the camera began to roll I believe. I was about 30 feet away from him.) I hadn’t noticed the policemen come in. I looked over and I saw the student standing up, his hands were in the air in a very “get your hands off me” manner. One of the police officers did in fact have his hands on him and was grabbing one of his right arms, or maybe more but I didn’t pay too much attention to it right away (I was doing work on the computer). I returned to typing as it seemed that he was just going to escorted out. I thought the incident was over then and went back to my paper. A very short time later (maybe I’d estimate 30 secondsish) I heard him again, but this time farther down by the exit of the computer lab, shouting “don’t touch me” and soon after the shock.

I was stunned and I think most other people were stunned as well. One girl started trotting over from where I was and said “you can’t do that”. I got up soon after and walked over. I didn’t see what happened before the first shock, but I soon approached and saw him held on the ground by the officers and in the midst of being cuffed. I don’t know if he had been struggling up to this point, but when I got there he was pretty much subdued and the officers were doing the struggling (turning him over to finish cuffing him, manhandling him pretty much). He yelled a few things during this time and you can hear it all on the video. Then the officers were dragging him up from his arms and demanding that he stand up. He looked really messed up at this point, as if he had just ran a race or something. His face was kind of pinkish (probably from the shock and all the shouting) and his body was slumped. I started saying to him “get up dude, just get up”, and I think some other people may have been encouraging him. He wasn’t making a move and just about then they shocked him again.

At this point a couple of other students and I started shouting back at the cops. I hadn’t seen what led to the first shock, but I did see the time in between and the second shock was completely unjustifiable. He was definitely not being violent, he wasn’t moving, at all. A few of us were shouting as they led him down the stairway and shocked him right there going down and he fell pretty hard on the tiles of the steps (I think you can see him flying up on the video). They dragged him down to the entrance foyer and there I, and a couple other students became more vocal. The CSOs were trying to block us off at this point, but they were porous and few. Several students had been demanding badge numbers, but the 2 officers had obviously not responded up to that point, and never did. (The student was shocked AT LEAST two more times before he was finally dragged out of the building.)

In the foyer, there were a few other officers. One of them came to approach us. One other student and I started speaking with this officer, saying mostly 1) this student is being assaulted by these officers and you have to stop this and 2) we want the names and badge numbers of all the officers there. He told us that we would get them and that we needed to calm down. The student was pretty much motionless at this point except for the few times he was being tased. We continued complaining as the student was being dragged out, but he was badly obscured at this point by several officers and security guards. Then another officer approached me directly and told me to back up, to which I replied with some witty remark about the limits of his authority in the situation. He told me again to back up, and I said something like “I just want your badge numbers” and he told me again to back up right now and that if I didn’t move back I would be tased too. I didn’t move and looked at him directly, at which point he raised his taser gun and pointed it at me (I saw the red light glow right in the center of it) and said “try me”. I turned around and lifted my hands.

I walked around and approached the other officer I had talked to earlier. I again asked for badge numbers. One of the officers (can’t clearly remember which one or what number it was) responded with a single three digit number (which I am assuming was his own) and I saw the officer who had threatened me earlier walking out. I was held up for a couple seconds when the badge numbers of the two assaulting officers were given then walked out to follow the officer who had left. He was down below the stairs where there were about 5 police cars parked all facing the library. I trotted down and he immediately started approaching me. I said “I want your badge number”. He continued approaching me and pointed his taser gun at me again and told me to go back inside.

I walked back inside and started talking to people. I kept asking if anyone got all their badge numbers. One student assured me that he had gotten them. The whole place was buzzing at this point. People were talking, discussing, encouraging each other about doing things about it (which including calling news sources, writing to the chancellor, the regents, and the police department, etc.) It was here as I was talking to people that I first discovered that the initial violation had been that he didn’t show identification. I persistently asked everyone I talked to if the officers had ever stated that they were arresting the student or if rights had been read. I even spoke to the student who was sitting near him when the officers first approached. Everyone of the students I spoke to said that they had heard no mentions of arrest or Miranda rights. We pieced the story together, bits and pieces, there among us all.

I went back and packed all my stuff and went for a coffee at the vending machines and made a call out to someone I knew from the daily bruin. When I returned another student was being kicked out of the library for an unrelated event by the two officers I had spoken to. I recognized the student and greeted him. They were very rude to both of us and continued to be as they got his information and eventually left. I went back in and finished what work I had to do and eventually went home.

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I really think the student was being kind of an ass. And I also think it was completely bizarre that he started screaming about the patriot act, but I don't think anyone can justify what the officers did. Especially to a student who wasn't even under arrest.

I just checked this out: relating to my first comment, when I said "I'm not sure if we even have or need University security in Canada," I looked it up and it turns out we don't have any university security in Canada. If there is a problem local police show up on the scene, but there are no in-school police, and if there were, I doubt that ID would be a problem.

Recently, however, there was a shooting in Montreal, and now people are saying we might get University security. Still, I doubt something like this would happen as a result.

Another thing occured to me. This is a long shot, but what if this was all staged as shock treatment so that more people start carrying around their ID? I can't see how this could be good publicity for security, but maybe they weren't counting on this blowing up so much, and they just wanted to make more people make sure to have their ID.

A pretty wierd idea, I know. It's probably completely unlikely, but I thought it might add another dynamic to the topic.

I have to say, my college's security is very good and friendly, so campus security is not in and of itself a bad thing. But of course, I go to a very small college, compared to UCLA. I've never heard of problems about the local police, either.

But yeah, I agree with Miriel.

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I just checked this out: relating to my first comment, when I said "I'm not sure if we even have or need University security in Canada," I looked it up and it turns out we don't have any university security in Canada. If there is a problem local police show up on the scene, but there are no in-school police, and if there were, I doubt that ID would be a problem.

Recently, however, there was a shooting in Montreal, and now people are saying we might get University security. Still, I doubt something like this would happen as a result.

Another thing occured to me. This is a long shot, but what if this was all staged as shock treatment so that more people start carrying around their ID? I can't see how this could be good publicity for security, but maybe they weren't counting on this blowing up so much, and they just wanted to make more people make sure to have their ID.

A pretty wierd idea, I know. It's probably completely unlikely, but I thought it might add another dynamic to the topic.

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And the fact that the camera-man magically has a camera at this wonderful moment. How convenient.

If it'd happened at my school yesterday, I'd have had a camera with me. There are cameras everywhere, and many of them are capable of recording video.

So everyone at college walks around with a video camera?

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So everyone at college walks around with a video camera?

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... at 11:30 in a library, no less?

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And the fact that the camera-man magically has a camera at this wonderful moment. How convenient.

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Camera phone, if I recall correctly. Those are endemic. I'd be more suprised if no one had one.

I don't have one. Come to think of it, no one in my family or extended family does either.

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I don't have one. Come to think of it, no one in my family or extended family does either.

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Neither do I, but in a library in a large college, someone will. At least in California.

Because we all know California is the most technologically advanced area on the planet.

Did I say that? No, I did not. It was a comment on the general culture of the state. I qualified it because I can't speak for the rest of the world. Besides, I thought you didn't care about this. :rolleyes2

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I don't have one. Come to think of it, no one in my family or extended family does either.

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Neither do I, but in a library in a large college, someone will. At least in California.

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Come on. It's LA. Everyone has a camera phone.

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I don't have one. Come to think of it, no one in my family or extended family does either.

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Neither do I, but in a library in a large college, someone will. At least in California.

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Come on. It's LA. Everyone has a camera phone.

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THANK YOU!!! You are talking the world capitol of consumerism. :D

I have a camera phone. It's almost standard with phones around here, now (I've never even used mine). In my senior year in high school, I'd say about half the class had a camera phone (mostly girls). Tons of college students have them. It's not unrealistic at all.

My phone doesn't have a camera 'cause I already have this other thing called a camera.

I felt sick watching that. Police brutality in any form is absolutely horrible, I hope they all lose their jobs, and as said before, it's pretty hard to stand up after being tasered.

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Do you really believe that this story present both sides to this problem?

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Of course not. The video, however, does.

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And what the hell was the guy doing screaming at the top of his lungs?

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He was being a jerk, so that justifies torture? I'm assuming you're refering to before they started pumping electricity into him. After that point, it was likely due to pain.

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Originally Posted by Hawkeye

This whole thing is ridiculous; the cops were strict with their authority. They asked repeatedly for the guy to stand up, and the guy refused. The guy was hysterical.

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At risk of pointing out the obvious, the guy had just been tasered! Tasering can render a person incapable of standing for up to 15 minutes. I'd be pretty damn hysterical in that situation myself.

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Originally Posted by Hawkeye

It's nice to not notice how this whole thing could have been avoided; if the guy had his ID, everything would have been fine. Had he cooperated in the first place, things wouldn't have been so drastic.

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He was leaving when this [img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img] started. As in-not staying. As in-doing what they told him to do. He also screamed "I'll leave" repeatedly as they were shocking him.

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I am not saying that the cops had absolutley no fault into them. Their tactics went over the line. Wht I'm saying is that the cops however get to share the blame with this guy. The guy was crazy, and it's that simple. I wouldn't tasered him two or three times, but they did.

Camera phones and now ones that film video with sound are so common. There are several signs that this was a camera phone in the video, one the video on you tube was shot at varying heights but when in the foyer of the library the camera was at hip height, just like the one held by a girl who stepped in front of the camera blocking the shot.

Infact for me to upgrade my camera phone I would have to get a video camera phone, and my phone is technically speaking outdated after 2 years.

Hawkeye, reading the student eye witnesses account of what happened and my own count of shocks recieved they shocked him about 5 times (give or take 1 either side.) THAT is undoubtedly brutality.

Oh man all these points of view are making my head hurt. Let's just say that the kid needs psycho help and the cops need to be fired.

And all of them need a knuckle sandwich.

I tell you what, Jiggy. You can go and punch psycho-cops and get your arse tazered off you, and I'll watch. :bigsmile:

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Did I say that? No, I did not. It was a comment on the general culture of the state. I qualified it because I can't speak for the rest of the world. Besides, I thought you didn't care about this.

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I don't care, but since you people do, I might as well have fun at your expense. And I just supported the cops to be an asshole. I could care less either way. Even though it was hilarious.

Next time you feel the need "to be an asshole," don't. This is an official-type warning. ~Shlup

TROLLING! OH MY GOD TROLLING!

Next time you feel the need to modwhore/spam, don't. This is an official-type warning. ~Shlup

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I just checked this out: relating to my first comment, when I said "I'm not sure if we even have or need University security in Canada," I looked it up and it turns out we don't have any university security in Canada. If there is a problem local police show up on the scene, but there are no in-school police, and if there were, I doubt that ID would be a problem.

Recently, however, there was a shooting in Montreal, and now people are saying we might get University security. Still, I doubt something like this would happen as a result.

Another thing occured to me. This is a long shot, but what if this was all staged as shock treatment so that more people start carrying around their ID? I can't see how this could be good publicity for security, but maybe they weren't counting on this blowing up so much, and they just wanted to make more people make sure to have their ID.

A pretty wierd idea, I know. It's probably completely unlikely, but I thought it might add another dynamic to the topic.

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And the fact that the camera-man magically has a camera at this wonderful moment. How convenient.

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Even mobile phones that cost $50 has the ability to record videos these days. The more expensive phones have cameras that rival my 5 year old digital camera.

And meh, I dunno. The guy was acting like an idiot, but tazing isn't meant to be for punishing people, it is to get them under control. Two policemen versus a student doesn't seem like the biggest of problems, and definitely not if said student is lying on the floor. The danger of a riot would have been far smaller if they hadn't used the tazer repeatedly too.