Cloud's Girl

[Aerisfanatic]

See, considering the "Aerith Ressurection" hoax of many years past, which was also purported by a "Square Employee" who turned out not to be, I can't take a letter like this on faith, especially since it DOES directly contradict what I know about the game's development. Specifically "it is not known as whether at some point in the production of the game Aeris was intended to be resurrected, but it seems that this is possible." contradicts what Nomura et al. have said about her NEVER being intended to be resurrected , and this part "others including the Gameshark Cheat, where Aeris DOES have lines" seems ungenuine as well. While perfectly common for Internet discussion, the usage of all capital letters to emphasize a word generally does not make its way into an official company sponsored document. Additional, the usage of the specific usage of "Gameshark cheat" also seems like it comes from someone posing as an employee, and not one themselves. Doubly so since "Gameshark" is not the iconic brand name in Japan as it is here.

Of course, even if the line about "in the original storyline the main character, Cloud, was intended to fall in love with Aeris yet this changed later." is Genuine, it must also be examined in context with Nomura and Nojima's comments about Tifa in early production, and how Aerith's original role was given to her instead.

Also, are you going to address any of the points I have previously raised?

k i dont know it can be possible nomura could have just said it was never intended so people wouldnt ask why did he change it or to change now and go with the original plan, and ask the website itself www.ff7citadel.com it has won many awards for it reliability and imformation if your looking for an anwer go there. and i only got these letters to show where i got the aeris and cloud thing from.

[Ryushikaze]

Even FF7 Citadel cannot confirm these letters. Or did you note that they themselves say "The following two letters presumably originate from Square in Japan (possibly an employee). Rusalka and Yuu Miyoshi received the letters and took the time to translate them. Now they've decided to share their information with the site. Thanks, we really appreciate it. "

So, given that we've got a cold trail several steps away from Square itself, these are not reliable sources of information.

As for "it can be possible nomura could have just said it was never intended so people wouldnt ask why did he change it or to change now and go with the original plan", yes it's possible. We have absolutely no evidence to suggest that this is the case, however, as Aerith dying and STAYING DEAD being a defined part of the game is one thing they've been consistent about for ten years now.

Dragon's Addendum: Please address my points or admit that they are being conceded via non address.

[arcanedude34]

I doubt that they would just openly admit that the completely remodeled the entire love element in the first place, which leads me to also believe those letters are fake.

And the words 'presumably' and 'possibly' mean about the same as 'I guessed' and 'it might be true....' so your "award-winning" website there, might not be so accurate after all.

AND even if they INTENDED Aeris/Cloud relationship-strengthening after the infamous death scene, they no longer have any.

They might have had a few more scenes, but they didn't, which leads me to hypothesis that Aeris was killed due to an overall lack of respect/love for her character in the first place.

Either way, Aeris = dead and Tifa = alive. That alone wins us this argument, so you might as well stop trying.

[Aerisfanatic]

your the one whos arguing i already said to drop it but you keep going, i like the cloud and aeris pairing thats my choice and anything that you say wont change my mind, so like i said just drop it okay if you dont really like the information i got.... than just disregard it, and they dont kill a character off cause people dont like that character and when they made the story.. they had her die before people even played so your lack of respect so they killed her off statement makes no sense what so ever. and they definitley like aeris thats for sure cause she has a large part in AC and has her own compilation story "maiden who travels the lifestream" and shes one of the first characters seen in KH so ovoisely the have respect for aeris so end of it gooday and goodnight

[Dragon Mage]

Let's face it: Aeris isn't coming back. She can't. She wasn't meant too, ever. If it did, it would completely screw up the entire plot of ff7 and ff7:AC. They may remake the game, but they won't remake the movie just to fit a remake of the game. In fact, it is vital for Aeris to die in the game. Her death triggered many things in the game, and if it didn't happen, then the planet would be a clump of dust.
Ok? Got it memorized? If she didn't die, the world goes bye. Besides, it seems death was a heck of a lot better than I remember it being. She's pretty lively for a dead person, lol. IMO she doesn't count as being dead. She's just temorarily unavailable.

2nd thing: Many people don't realize, or forget, that Aeris and Tifa are best friends. However, amongst the chaos of the fans' war, the fact is often neglected. But it is true. They were best friends. I thought I'd throw that out there and let you all mull over that for a while. Why not Tifa and Aeris lovers unite? Hmmm?

3rd thing: Just what is the point of this thread? LT was never meant to be concluded. Ever. The tricksy tards at SE did this on purpose. They made sure to provided equal amounts of evidence, of equal signifigance, through out everything relating to FF7, that supports each side of this argument. And then there's tons in between that could be used for either side. The question here isn't "who does Cloud like" it's really "who do you prefer/think?". There is no answer. You could argue this for the rest of your life, and never find the answer. Just stop for a moment and condsider the opposing views arguments. Much is quite valid, some can be dismissed, as it can go either way. Now consider your own arguments/evidence. Same story. Though for each, personal opinion does play a lage factor in how you view it. That's a variable that can't be helped. Now do note that each side, that has it's own evidence, can not outweigh the evidence to the other side. This was done on purpose, mind you. This argument, while done well, is druther pointless, as neither side was meant to ever come out on top. They are equal. It's important you realize that.

(and for those that were wondering, I'm a CXT myself, XD)

[Aerisfanatic]

i never said she was coming back ive accepted it i was just defending her and i also completeley agree with you i like tifa and i wasnt even on topic anymore so i apoligize

[NeoCracker]

I say the greatest of all Pairings for cloud is that group of men at the honey bee.

[Ryushikaze]

your the one whos arguing i already said to drop it but you keep going, i like the cloud and aeris pairing thats my choice and anything that you say wont change my mind,

Liking it is all well and good, but that does not change the fact that it is a-canon.

so like i said just drop it okay if you dont really like the information i got.... than just disregard it, and they dont kill a character off cause people dont like that character and when they made the story.. they had her die before people even played so your lack of respect so they killed her off statement makes no sense what so ever.

He was speaking of the creators not having respect for her, not the fans.

and they definitley like aeris thats for sure cause she has a large part in AC and has her own compilation story "maiden who travels the lifestream" and shes one of the first characters seen in KH so ovoisely the have respect for aeris so end of it gooday and goodnight

Aerith is not one of the first characters seen in KH. Out of the FF charas, she's actually around 7th seen, and total, she's more like 16-20th, depending.

Let's face it: Aeris isn't coming back. She can't. She wasn't meant too, ever. If it did, it would completely screw up the entire plot of ff7 and ff7:AC. They may remake the game, but they won't remake the movie just to fit a remake of the game. In fact, it is vital for Aeris to die in the game. Her death triggered many things in the game, and if it didn't happen, then the planet would be a clump of dust.

Not necessarily. Granted, had she lived, and the sequences continued as they were, yes, it would be much less livable. But had she lived, and the sequence continued changed, there's a chance the world could have yet been saved. But that's a "what if" and requires asking questions there aren't actually answers for.

Ok? Got it memorized? If she didn't die, the world goes bye. Besides, it seems death was a heck of a lot better than I remember it being. She's pretty lively for a dead person, lol. IMO she doesn't count as being dead. She's just temorarily unavailable.

No, she's dead. But there's a guaranteed afterlife in FF7. Still doesn't mean you get to interact with the living except under very special circumstances.

2nd thing: Many people don't realize, or forget, that Aeris and Tifa are best friends. However, amongst the chaos of the fans' war, the fact is often neglected. But it is true. They were best friends. I thought I'd throw that out there and let you all mull over that for a while. Why not Tifa and Aeris lovers unite? Hmmm?

Ah yes, TifAer, or the OT3 of Clotirith.

3rd thing: Just what is the point of this thread? LT was never meant to be concluded. Ever. The tricksy tards at SE did this on purpose. They made sure to provided equal amounts of evidence, of equal signifigance, through out everything relating to FF7, that supports each side of this argument. And then there's tons in between that could be used for either side. The question here isn't "who does Cloud like" it's really "who do you prefer/think?". There is no answer. You could argue this for the rest of your life, and never find the answer. Just stop for a moment and condsider the opposing views arguments. Much is quite valid, some can be dismissed, as it can go either way. Now consider your own arguments/evidence. Same story. Though for each, personal opinion does play a lage factor in how you view it. That's a variable that can't be helped. Now do note that each side, that has it's own evidence, can not outweigh the evidence to the other side. This was done on purpose, mind you. This argument, while done well, is druther pointless, as neither side was meant to ever come out on top. They are equal. It's important you realize that.

I've never seen this argument as valid. Because the two arguments aren't actually equal. Not only is the C/A pairing far more outrageous, and thus far harder to support than a C/T pairing, but it definitely is lagging behind in the evidence race. All the C/T side has to do is point to Cloud's Memories in the lifestream, where Tifa, not Aerith, is the subject of his dearest memories. Or either Highwind sequence, when it is revealed that Cloud and Tifa's hearts called out to- and heard- each other when they were both adrift in the lifestream.
In fact, the more the compilation continues, the more concrete the case for C/T becomes. Maiden and Case of Tifa are both actually quite damning evidence as far as the good old fashioned LTD goes.
I've also never seen it as valid because the FF gang has never said they were never going to solve it.

(and for those that were wondering, I'm a CXT myself, XD)

Good on ya.

[arcanedude34]

I'd like to point out that, as stated before, this argument has already been won and I will not stop trying until I hear that out of you, aerisfantatic.

[Aerisfanatic]

I'd like to point out that, as stated before, this argument has already been won and I will not stop trying until I hear that out of you, aerisfantatic.

bite me!

[Ryushikaze]

Aerisfanatic: Concession ACCEPTED.

Addendum: As for your sig, No. She doesn't.

[Da5nake]

omfg so many damn quote o.O

well Cloud and Tifa are a good match
in KH2 Tifa was in search for Cloud
Tifa is a brunette and Aerith is a blonde.........
(Dº.º)D VS C(ª.ªC)

Tifa's a fighter and will kick Cloud's ass senseless but i never understood why Barret and Tifa where together?...... i know i'm wrong when i'm saying that but i'm not sure about........

[Aerisfanatic]

omfg so many damn quote o.O

well Cloud and Tifa are a good match
in KH2 Tifa was in search for Cloud
Tifa is a brunette and Aerith is a blonde.........
(Dº.º)D VS C(ª.ªC)

Tifa's a fighter and will kick Cloud's ass senseless but i never understood why Barret and Tifa where together?...... i know i'm wrong when i'm saying that but i'm not sure about........

when i say this i say this strongly wtf

1)Aeris is a brunnete in any game she apperes in and tifa has dark black hair and why are baising this colour

2) in kingdom hearts cloud and aeris were the alternate couple we know this because the talk they had before cloud left where she didnt want him to leave but she understood but she worries for him and she was also waiting for him to return at the heartless battle feild and tifa and cloud was only shown once together and in the credits of the first one aeris is delighted to see him

3)tifa and barret were never together they were simply partners in avalanche nothing more

[Da5nake]

omfg so many damn quote o.O

well Cloud and Tifa are a good match
in KH2 Tifa was in search for Cloud
Tifa is a brunette and Aerith is a blonde.........
(Dº.º)D VS C(ª.ªC)

Tifa's a fighter and will kick Cloud's ass senseless but i never understood why Barret and Tifa where together?...... i know i'm wrong when i'm saying that but i'm not sure about........

when i say this i say this strongly wtf

1)Aeris is a brunnete in any game she apperes in and tifa has dark black hair and why are baising this colour

2) in kingdom hearts cloud and aeris were the alternate couple we know this because the talk they had before cloud left where she didnt want him to leave but she understood but she worries for him and she was also waiting for him to return at the heartless battle feild and tifa and cloud was only shown once together and in the credits of the first one aeris is delighted to see him

3)tifa and barret were never together they were simply partners in avalanche nothing more

i see but what does that little girl whom i assume is Barret's daughter doing with Tifa at their bar?.........

i never mentioned Kingdom Hearts, it was the sequel i mentioned KH2


well i have nothing against Blondes and Brunettes....... but Tifa is still considered a brunette.
Only three categories of colors(Brunette, Blonde, Red Head.)

[f f freak]

Tifa and Barret were never together. Marlene was there because Barret was off on missions and Tifa's bar was Avalanche's hideout. Hence why she would be there. Aeris is not a blonde. Both Tifa and Aeris are brunettes. Tifa's hair is a darker shade though. Kingdom Hearts has nothing to do with this so there is really no need to bring it up.