View Poll Results: Who's the evil villian in the game?

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  • Sephiroth

    33 42.86%
  • Hojo (yeah right, in his dreams)

    8 10.39%
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    17 22.08%
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    false. To say that Sephiroth turned out the way he did because of the Jenova in him but to say that he, the human part of him, was in total control of his own thoughts and actions is insane.
    Clarify. He is part-Jenova. He shares it's DNA. But he is part human. To say that the two are seperate within him is insane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragon Mage View Post
    false. To say that Sephiroth turned out the way he did because of the Jenova in him but to say that he, the human part of him, was in total control of his own thoughts and actions is insane.
    Clarify. He is part-Jenova. He shares it's DNA. But he is part human. To say that the two are seperate within him is insane.
    Then you're saying the same thing as what Squall of SeeD wrote, just tacking on a "but it was really Sephiroth" on the end.

    The arguement is now rendered useless as both sides of the argument have established that Sephiroth's will is an independent successor to Jenova's will.

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    Then you're saying the same thing as what Squall of SeeD wrote, just tacking on a "but it was really Sephiroth" on the end.
    Just what the fug are you talking about? The whole point of that thing was to sort out how Sephiroth managed to do all the crap that he did. I never said it was Jenova in control. I never said that it was Jenova that made him go insane. Just what the hell are you complaining about?

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    Dragon Mage, the UOG don't explain how Jenova spread the virus, and Geostigma never existed before AC. It was created only after Jenova's defeat in the NC.
    Last edited by The Crystal; 02-14-2007 at 09:27 PM.

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    Haven't we been over this? I said that it worked like Geostigma, I never said that it WAS Geostigma. and your guide can stuff it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silentenigma View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by [img
    http://img46.exs.cx/img46/9754/lolz6om.jpg[/img]]-The Roles of JENOVA and Sephiroth: The Puppet Master Theorem-
    So I guess we're all wrong. Heh. Squall of SeeD, ladies and gentlemen.
    I'm going to have to agree with that. Bravo.

    To answer the question in the poll, the evil villain in the game would be Sephiroth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragon Mage View Post
    Haven't we been over this?
    No.

    I said that it worked like Geostigma, I never said that it WAS Geostigma.
    You said that it spreaded in the Lifestream. If the UOG don't mention this, how you know? And if it spreaded in the Lifestram, why Sephiroth didn't use it in FFVII?

    and your guide can stuff it.
    "My" guide is the official word of SE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silentenigma View Post
    What, do they not like him up there?
    apparently, they just purely want stuf from the game, not some 'random' theories that one bloke made.
    Please feel free to read my take on the official novalisation of Dissidia Final Fantasy at this link:

    http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5580755/..._You_Fight_For

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Crystal View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dragon Mage View Post
    Haven't we been over this?
    No.

    I said that it worked like Geostigma, I never said that it WAS Geostigma.
    You said that it spreaded in the Lifestream. If the UOG don't mention this, how you know? And if it spreaded in the Lifestram, why Sephiroth didn't use it in FFVII?

    and your guide can stuff it.
    "My" guide is the official word of SE.
    Well, we did. I explained it and now your annoying me.

    And does all your knowledge come from your guide? Just because the guide doesn't say this does it make it automatically wrong? Does it say that it is wrong? No? Well then what's the problem?

    My" guide is the official word of SE
    And, in the words of this thread, PROVE IT!!!

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    Let me fix this. In case nobody has noticed, I have not been trying to argue ever since I stumbled apon Squall of SeeD's FAQ, which consequently says that although Sephiroth is in control, his will is influenced by Jenova's instincts as well as his own.


    Did we all establish that JENOVA has a will which is integrated into its cells/DNA?

    Did we all establish that so long as there are active JENOVA cells/DNA, then JENOVA (will and all) is technically alive (Sephiroth being the entity which keeps the head active and controls it)?

    Did we all establish that Sephiroth was part human, part JENOVA (contained both human and JENOVA cells/DNA)?

    Did we all establish that Squall of Seed's theses are extremely accurate?

    If anyone hasn't read SoS's Puppet Master thesis, please take a minute and do so.

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    Although i believe that he says makes the most ense, other people won't because it's not official
    Please feel free to read my take on the official novalisation of Dissidia Final Fantasy at this link:

    http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5580755/..._You_Fight_For

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    all I'm trying to say is that Sephiroth had complete control of Jenova's will and made it leave ShinRa building. Just like, IF Jenova was in control, then why did it change into Sephiroth when it would know by the original Sephiroth that he was thought dead by Cloud? It would be pointless to change into someone who is thought dead. Plus, Cloud himself says that only one PERSON had that srong of a WILL, and that it was Sephiroth!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragon Mage View Post
    Well, we did. I explained it and now your annoying me.
    I don't remember, sorry. And because i said that you was wrong in one thing in a post, you are already annoyed?! You become annoyed very easily.

    And does all your knowledge come from your guide? Just because the guide doesn't say this does it make it automatically wrong? Does it say that it is wrong? No? Well then what's the problem?
    I have the same question. What is the problem? Why are you so annoyed with me? And about my knowledge, no, it don't come from only the UOG but from many places.
    And i'm questioning you in what you said, because if Jenova spreaded her cells in the Lifestream during the "war" against the Cetra, why Sephiroth didn't use the Jenova cells in it to create Geostigma during FFVII? Why he did that only in AC? What are you saying don't make any sense, and if you want us to belive in you, PROVE IT!!!

    And, in the words of this thread, PROVE IT!!!
    I have to prove that the UOG exist?! Okay, here is your prove:

    http://faqs.ign.com/articles/698/698416p1.html
    Last edited by The Crystal; 02-15-2007 at 04:57 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squall of SeeD
    Does this mean that Sephiroth really is the Puppet Master of Final Fantasy
    VII? Yes. JENOVA's instincts play out through Sephiroth, however, it was not
    consciously manipulating or controlling him into doing anything, nor was he
    technically controlling it.
    I thought this was a good comprimise.
    Last edited by silentenigma; 10-30-2021 at 09:46 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OneWingedAngelSephiroth91 View Post
    all I'm trying to say is that Sephiroth had complete control of Jenova's will and made it leave ShinRa building. Just like, IF Jenova was in control, then why did it change into Sephiroth when it would know by the original Sephiroth that he was thought dead by Cloud? It would be pointless to change into someone who is thought dead. Plus, Cloud himself says that only one PERSON had that srong of a WILL, and that it was Sephiroth!
    yes, guessed that you believed that much, but other people won't, because it's still technically 'speculation'
    Please feel free to read my take on the official novalisation of Dissidia Final Fantasy at this link:

    http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5580755/..._You_Fight_For

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