Prove it!!!

[OneWingedAngelSephiroth91]

I think that if there's a villain, that's Jenova. ShinRa at the end partly fought with Cloud's team, and Sepiroth's just gone crazy because of finding out about his origins. He was more of a person, to destroy the whole planet... while Jenova appeared long time ago and attemped herself to become a God. Sephiroth was probably helping her, because it meant destruction of the whole lot of people. Besides, he was injected with her cells, so we can't know if he was controlling her, or she was controlling him. I think it's that Jenova controlled Sephiroth.

Yeah, but it's because of Jenova that all this crap happened in the first place. JENOVA IS THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL!!!

And check your facts, some of what you're saying isn't right.

Jenova was actually only part... heck I bet Sephiroth would still be born... as Malcom from Jurrasic Park said, "Life will find a way." And Sephiroth would probably still go insane...he was still an experiment from Hojo and would probably go insane just the same..but not a powerful.

[Griff]

http://www.eyesonff.com/members/wiki...edJenovaThesis

I say Jenova.

As soon as the ultimecia guide was brought up I just knew this wouldn't be far behind. Good job.

[Woodinator]

ok...ive played through the game a couple times and i don't ever remember a reference to Sephiroth controlling Jenova....and honestly, how is a strategy guide proof, unless Square published it then no it doesn't count as proof

In my opinion Jenova is the antagonist because she is the one that almost wiped everyone out, she is the reason sephiroth went insane, the fact that he was injected with jenova cells caused him to believe that she was his mother and he was doing this stuff mainly for her, to fufull what she failed to do...and if you wish to tie in advent children into this (although i wouldnt cause i didnt really like that movie >.>) they constantly talk of "fufilling Mother's mematic (or w/e that word is) legacy" so id say Jenova is in overall control...not sephiroth

[jammi567]

Funny that you should mention that Suare made that stratagy guide...

and just because you don't like the movie doesn't mean that it should be counted.

[Griff]

Funny that you should mention that Suare made that stratagy guide...

and just because you don't like the movie doesn't mean that it should be counted.

Technically, Square didn't make the guide. A third party made it and had Square publish it because otherwise they couldn't use the name Final Fantasy...

[oddler]

Sigh... Jenova was the main villain. Sephiroth, however, is the antagonist. :rolleyes2
As far as the poll goes, they are all correct.

[Mirage]

If shinra wasn't evil, then what were they?

[silentenigma]

Jenova because she basically wanted to steal the planet from the Ancients. Also she brainwashed Sephiroth and took total control over him. Sephiroth is a puppet just like Cloud.

[Griff]

If shinra wasn't evil, then what were they?

Big Business. The next closest thing to true evil.

[OneWingedAngelSephiroth91]

Come one people! Sephiroth is the villian..SEPHIROTH!!! Jenova was helping Sephiroth with his powers..they were his source... just like Superman and the Sun..the Sun was the source of Supermans power but was NOT the hero other wise he and the other Kryptonians couldn't do their thing. So, Jenova was was just like Sephiroth's Sun so that analogy is good right?

[Tg.cid]

In a way sephiroth but jenova and Hoja cause one him a and lucriea created sephiroth and jenova cause pretty much this game is about her crazy self

[Mirage]

If shinra wasn't evil, then what were they?

Big Business. The next closest thing to true evil.

If the owner uses his business to perform evil deeds, I would say the business is evil.

[silentenigma]

SEPHIROTH WAS IN CONTROL... A LOT OF FACT PROVE IT...EVEN THE GAME ITSELF SAYS AND PROVES IT

Enlighten Me. Give me this "evidence" from the game. THE GAME. Not any spinnoffs or guides written years later by those who barely had anything to do with the writing of the original story.

I'll be open-minded when you give me this evidence, but your excuses saying that the "the [fanboy-pleasing] ultima-omega guide said so" is not enough.

Technically, Square didn't make the guide. A third party made it and had Square publish it because otherwise they couldn't use the name Final Fantasy...

This means that a THIRD PARTY paid SQUARE-ENIX big bucks to get the "official" final fantasy name on their product. SQUARE-ENIX wouldn't care what they wrote in their strategy guide so long as it would be successful.

How "official" is the guide now?

I remember reading every story-related FAQ about FFVII before Advent Children was even in production and they all pointed to JENOVA as the driving force behind Sephiroth's evilness. These were written by very intelligent people who backed their statements by events in the GAME.

Sorry, but I don't care what you say, Sephiroth was in complete control. Heck IF Jenova had control him, then it (I say it because it is able to transform) would be saying it was Jenova in the first place. It's like a wake up call," Hello Cloud, I am Jenova in control not this weak minded pawn."

Ah, but she did. Many times. Too bad Cloud didn't smell the coffee.

And Sephiroth WAS weak-minded. Ever notice how people without Jenova in them don't go crazy? Sephiroth had Jenova in him from before birth, so he was even more suseptible to becoming Jenova's puppet.

I think the reason why Jenova was probably put in is to explainthe Sephiroth copies and why Sephiroth has those powers. so other than that, Jenova would be Insignificance.

You obviously haven't seen the videotapes of Prof. Gast talking to Ifalna at Icicle Inn. in the game. Although they are obscure, they reveal why Jenova is so damn important.

[oddler]

If shinra wasn't evil, then what were they?

I retract my statement about ShinRa.
My post is edited now, Mirage.

the Sun was the source of Supermans power but was NOT the hero other wise he and the other Kryptonians couldn't do their thing. So, Jenova was was just like Sephiroth's Sun so that analogy is good right?

Close but not exactly. The sun wasn't forcing Superman's actions. He wasn't driven by the sun's will. He could choose to do what he wanted. Sephiroth was forced to do as Jenova willed him.

[The Crystal]

This remember me of a time that i was arguing with Ryushikaze about who was right, him or Kitase(of SE). And i will say to everyone that think that Jenova was controlling Seph, the same thing that i said to him.
You don't know more than SE.