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    Quote Originally Posted by IBCrayZ View Post
    Yeah. Um. No. I believe that it is just a matter of personal taste. I don't like mustard. Personal taste. I like chicken. I like steak. I don't like shrimp. I don't like pushy religious people(usually). I like women. I like men. I don't like barbeque sauce. It is all a matter of personal preferance or taste.

    Or are you telling me that the fact that I no longer like mustard is genetic? Is the fact that up until just a few years ago girls were my only interest, but now I am looking for guys too, is that genetic like my mustard dilemna?

    Hm. I wonder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Unne View Post
    It's something you acquire.

    FROM SATAN.
    Dr. Unne made a joke?..

    Satan is among us indeed.

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    It can be something you're born with that is evident from a young age, something you're born with that's latent, or a way your brain develops as a defense mechanism, usually as a result of abuse.

    According to everything I've ever studied ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShlupQuack View Post
    It can be something you're born with that is evident from a young age, something you're born with that's latent, or a way your brain develops as a defense mechanism, usually as a result of abuse.

    According to everything I've ever studied ever.
    also slight mental inbalances passed on through genes can cause a persons brain to develop a certain way...for example homosexua...I also think deppresion...and "emo'ism" can be connected to this


    I know less about how hormones play a part in it but it must because sexual attractions can be brought on by chemical signals...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShlupQuack View Post
    It can be something you're born with that is evident from a young age, something you're born with that's latent, or a way your brain develops as a defense mechanism, usually as a result of abuse.

    According to everything I've ever studied ever.
    also slight mental inbalances passed on through genes can cause a persons brain to develop a certain way...for example homosexua...I also think deppresion...and "emo'ism" can be connected to this


    I know less about how hormones play a part in it but it must because sexual attractions can be brought on by chemical signals...
    Everything you said would fall under the categories I've described. Though I think your opinion, as it's presented, is pretty base. Which isn't meant to be an insult though it probably sounds like one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShlupQuack View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShlupQuack View Post
    It can be something you're born with that is evident from a young age, something you're born with that's latent, or a way your brain develops as a defense mechanism, usually as a result of abuse.

    According to everything I've ever studied ever.
    also slight mental inbalances passed on through genes can cause a persons brain to develop a certain way...for example homosexua...I also think deppresion...and "emo'ism" can be connected to this


    I know less about how hormones play a part in it but it must because sexual attractions can be brought on by chemical signals...
    Everything you said would fall under the categories I've described. Though I think your opinion, as it's presented, is pretty base. Which isn't meant to be an insult though it probably sounds like one.
    yeh, you talked about how its affected by both nature and nurture...birth/abuse
    and I went a tiny bit more in on bieng born with it but Yeah...it was pretty base? i dont exactly know what you mean by base but I get the feeling thats right...

    and the reason it sounds insulting is the word base...sounds like a very rude word the way I read it...sounds like ...kinda like the word jack...just makes me angry

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShlupQuack View Post
    It can be something you're born with that is evident from a young age, something you're born with that's latent, or a way your brain develops as a defense mechanism, usually as a result of abuse.

    According to everything I've ever studied ever.
    How do you define "homosexuality" in the context of what you studied? Is it someone who has sex with people of the same gender? Or someone who has a predisposi<b></b>tion to have sex with people of the same gender? Or is it more than sex acts, and also includes some level of romantic emotional attachment to people of the same gender? Or is it anyone who identifies himself/herself as a homosexual? Or something else?

    It seems surprising that the only ways to be homosexual are to be born predisposed to it, or to take it up as self-defense. Or were you only giving the most common examples?

    It seems like there must be some number of people (even if it's a minority) who decide to try out some gay sex for some reason, say imitation of peer behavior to try to become part of some peer group, or trying it randomly out of curiosity. And then decide they like it for some reason, or grow to like it. Even if they're predisposed to be heterosexual. Would these people be called homosexuals, or "heterosexuals who happen to engage in homosexual behavior"?

    What about homosexuality in prisons as another example? That seems like learned behavior but for very different reasons than self-defense. It's more an act of aggression or dominance, right? (It might be self-defense for you if a big guy says to you "Either I own you now, or I kill you now", but I think that's a different kind of self-defense than what you meant.)

    Do I sound like I know what I'm talking about? Because I sure don't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Unne View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ShlupQuack View Post
    It can be something you're born with that is evident from a young age, something you're born with that's latent, or a way your brain develops as a defense mechanism, usually as a result of abuse.

    According to everything I've ever studied ever.
    How do you define "homosexuality" in the context of what you studied? Is it someone who has sex with people of the same gender? Or someone who has a predisposi<b></b>tion to have sex with people of the same gender? Or is it more than sex acts, and also includes some level of romantic emotional attachment to people of the same gender? Or is it anyone who identifies himself/herself as a homosexual? Or something else?

    It seems surprising that the only ways to be homosexual are to be born predisposed to it, or to take it up as self-defense. Or were you only giving the most common examples?

    It seems like there must be some number of people (even if it's a minority) who decide to try out some gay sex for some reason, say imitation of peer behavior to try to become part of some peer group, or trying it randomly out of curiosity. And then decide they like it for some reason, or grow to like it. Even if they're predisposed to be heterosexual. Would these people be called homosexuals, or "heterosexuals who happen to engage in homosexual behavior"?

    What about homosexuality in prisons as another example? That seems like learned behavior but for very different reasons than self-defense. It's more an act of aggression or dominance, right? (It might be self-defense for you if a big guy says to you "Either I own you now, or I kill you now", but I think that's a different kind of self-defense than what you meant.)

    Do I sound like I know what I'm talking about? Because I sure don't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Unne View Post
    How do you define "homosexuality" in the context of what you studied?
    You.

    Yeah, totally went there.

    [Doing too much homework to participate in meaningful discussion.]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pyromaniac View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by IBCrayZ View Post
    Yeah. Um. No. I believe that it is just a matter of personal taste. I don't like mustard. Personal taste. I like chicken. I like steak. I don't like shrimp. I don't like pushy religious people(usually). I like women. I like men. I don't like barbeque sauce. It is all a matter of personal preferance or taste.

    Or are you telling me that the fact that I no longer like mustard is genetic? Is the fact that up until just a few years ago girls were my only interest, but now I am looking for guys too, is that genetic like my mustard dilemna?

    Hm. I wonder.

    No.
    no what
    Thanks you guys, you all proved me wrong since the debate I was picked to argue was that people WERE born homosexual =.=
    No that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IBCrayZ View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by IBCrayZ View Post
    Yeah. Um. No. I believe that it is just a matter of personal taste. I don't like mustard. Personal taste. I like chicken. I like steak. I don't like shrimp. I don't like pushy religious people(usually). I like women. I like men. I don't like barbeque sauce. It is all a matter of personal preferance or taste.

    Or are you telling me that the fact that I no longer like mustard is genetic? Is the fact that up until just a few years ago girls were my only interest, but now I am looking for guys too, is that genetic like my mustard dilemna?

    Hm. I wonder.

    No.
    no what
    Thanks you guys, you all proved me wrong since the debate I was picked to argue was that people WERE born homosexual =.=
    No that.
    Yeah I'm bored with this topic now...it is in my opinion obviously a mix of both and if anything the question should be which people would argue has more of an effect...

    In that case I would say nurture...Ill leave my opinion at that

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    Nature with a small percentage of nurture. Homosexual couples that adopt/have children are <b>not</b> more likey to have homosexual children. People in different communities are no less likely to be homosexual. Whether or not they choose to show it is their prerogative. Homosexuality occurs in nature with several species of animals. Off the top of my head, I can think of penguins and giraffes.
    Similar to prison rape, homosexuality can be sometimes be "forced" upon animals in captivity by not allowing them a mate of the opposite sex (and not neutering them).
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    I think you're just born placed on the Kinsey Scale (or whatever made-up measurement of your choice) already. I was knitting little pink hats as a fetus. It's all part of my gay magicks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by abrojtm View Post
    Nature with a small percentage of nurture. Homosexual couples that adopt/have children are <b>not</b> more likey to have homosexual children. People in different communities are no less likely to be homosexual. Whether or not they choose to show it is their prerogative. Homosexuality occurs in nature with several species of animals. Off the top of my head, I can think of penguins and giraffes.
    Similar to prison rape, homosexuality can be sometimes be "forced" upon animals in captivity by not allowing them a mate of the opposite sex (and not neutering them).
    And therein is the point. I can't say for 100% accuracy that I was born gay, but I'm about 95% sure of that fact. There was no real point in time that I had any desire to be with a girl, so it stands to reason. The nurture comes in more, IMHO, as to whether you embrace that part of yourself, or work for the rest of your life to sublimate your desires.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShlupQuack View Post
    It can be something you're born with that is evident from a young age, something you're born with that's latent, or a way your brain develops as a defense mechanism, usually as a result of abuse.

    According to everything I've ever studied ever.
    Gee thanks psychology queen. Completely forgot that almost all actions and tendencies can be acquired after birth, including sexual orientation.

    Anyway, thanks to this being in GC I can now say that I am very pleased with Dr Unne's mocking post xD

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