Something wrong with this game?

[Bolivar]

He wasn't insulting you, just arguing but doing it rather..ermm..rashly? 8D

no, he's insulting. passive-agressively, but the results are the same.

[Dynast-Kid]

Why is it that all of these "I hate FFXII" threads are popping up all over the place? I swear, if I enter another thread with posts like, "this game is not an FF 'cause it's different, and you had to train hard, and there are tough enemies!!!!!1!!111!!!1", I will go crazy!

I mean really, bottom line is:

IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE GAME, DON'T PLAY IT!

[Renmiri]

Why is it that all of these "I hate FFXII" threads are popping up all over the place? ...
I mean really, bottom line is:

IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE GAME, DON'T PLAY IT!

Nown, now... If you don't like the thread subject then don't read it!

People can have opinions, you know ?

Someone on another forum said it all: There is nothing that pisses of more a gamer than wasted potential. Most people are being vocal because they like FF and they liked the game. Otherwise they wouldn't bother. FFXII is very uneven: Good Graphics / Weak music. Great gameplay / weak pacing of story..... Which initially hit me and a lot of other people as "wasted potential".

With time I came to realize SE was very brave to risk new stuff instead of just copying the same old "recipes". Sure, they messed up on some of the innovations, but they hit "gold" on others

[Setzer Gabianni]

As much as I have to admit it.. I agree with Renmiri to some extent. But not about the plot <.<

[Renmiri]

As much as I have to admit it.. I agree with Renmiri to some extent. But not about the plot <.<

Txs! One of this days you and Wolf will get me to stop whining about it

[dennenappelke]

People can have opinions, you know ?
...
FFXII is very uneven: Good Graphics / Weak music. Great gameplay / weak pacing of story.....

...Sure, they messed up on some of the innovations, but they hit "gold" on others ...

You just said that people can have opinions, but then you just decide that FFXII is uneven, that they surely messed up on some of the innovations Kinda strange, since you just said that someone can have an opinion...

Because, in my opininion, the graphics are good, the music is good! It ain't Uematsu, but the music fits with the game. Gameplay is also good, but the best part for me is the story. I really like it so far, don't know what's to complain about it.

And they messed up on some of the innovations? I don't know what you're talking about, each innovation is good to me. I kinda get the feeling that everyone who says things like this never experienced a new Final Fantasy before. When FFVIII was released, there were complaints about the innovations. When FFIX was released, there were complaints about the innovations. Same for FFX and FFX-2. But in the end, the complaints were only based on the same thing: You are used to some kind of Final Fantasy, and if you play a new game, then you need to 'learn' the new game. And it's ALWAYS the fault of the developer if something doesn't work the way you was used to. But if you just play the game, and get used to the innovations, you will appreciate them. And I can say this : over 1 year, everyone likes Final Fantasy XII. Because everyone then is used to the innovations, and don't want to move back to the older games.

[firedrake]

im lvl 72 for vaan and lvl 50 for all but bathlier whos lvl 14 but ive done all of the lvl 1,2,3,4,5 rank marks and 3 lvl 6 but im stuck on the rank by the tower you know the one with 77 lvls and im 68 hours in and ive finished the story one just to see the ending i have all so done most of the rare games and have 13 of the stuff in the sky pirates den

[Zerv]

i didnt read this whole topic but what i read was u have played 70 hrs and u suck at this game ive spent 60 hrs and i havent died since belias and that was at like 7 or so hrs but yeh u just suck in my opinion but yeh w/e hunts are easy they dont need save spots and if they r really hard they do have a savespot sumwhat close like gilgamesh

[Setzer Gabianni]

Try not to have a go at other people mk? Try using a fullstop as well dear, I was confused by your post XD

[CloudySky]

Although it wasn’t my intention, I feel that you guys really need to be verbally owned, firstly for pissing me off, secondly for being horrible gamers with huge egos.

I started this thread only because I felt really down after playing some of this game. I waited for it 5 years. If that wouldn’t be FF12 I would say it’s a good game, but it shouldn’t be FF12 game for sure. That’s my opinion. I’m not good at expressing my feelings and probably it’s a hard for some of you to understand my first post. Anyway, if nobody of you had same problems, you people even not paying attention on what NPCs say and certainly don’t try all new things/hunts when these become available. That’s totally weird. What type of gamers are you if you don’t even try a new stuff when you get it?

Nevertheless you still be owned.

Pft, you don't need to train if you're good at RPGs

Total, uter nonsense, as well you can say you can play console games without using console or PC.
RPG games are about training, mostly these requires you to train and even grind.
Being good gamer is finding effective strategies and ways to train, and if possible have fun when doing it. Being good RPGer means being able to explore world, story, characters, get to know all lil secrets of the game and sidequests, stories, finding own ways and strategies and enjoying the process, clearing the game and training as well. That what means to be good RPGer.
If you don’t train, you are not playing any game, you are watching a movie. You should really check meaning of word training.

P.s. Is it really FF game?

Ya I’ve seen that and I’m shocked too

agreed... all my mates at college who have this said all they done is train and train and there like 65 hours into the game and are more leveled up then me but ive still done more of the story then they have with ease. im only into 40hours and on my way to feywood (think its called) and im still doin bits and bobs e.g. doing hunts (just got on mark 6 hunts) and still finding it easy.. not died once... yet lol

You call yourself a gamer?
If you are 40 hours in game you:
1. You haven’t talked with all NPCs in game even once, nor you explored the world.
2. You haven’t tried single mark when it became available if you find them easy. And you call yourself a gamer???
3. Your party can be max lvl 40-50, depends on how you level them.
4. You aren’t doing hunts, cos from 15th hunt you don’t get an exact locations of hunts only a general Map name. Meaning you have to take your time to find them and hunt them. If you find lvl 6 hunts easy your party is lvl 40+, meaning you never lost time on finding any hunt or conditions or strategy, meaning you use guides or already know what strategy to use, before even attempting a hunt. You call yourself a gamer?
5. You haven’t done single sidequest, cos you never talked with NPCs and explored the world, unless you use guides.
6. If you did combat all that time, you are overtrained for most of the hunts anyway already.
7. This game isn’t a race mind to notice and you are last person I would care to know opinion about a game. Did I make myself clear?

Not the softest way to say this, but I agree .
The only "grinding" I did from time to time was to accumulate loot to buy some better equipment. I did get slightly stuck at a few spots like the Sochen Cave Palace, but other than that I was able to take care of most of the bosses by using tactics. Sorry, but if you need to level up by 5-6 levels between each mission, you haven't learned to play this game properly. OTOH if you don't want to grind, you _cannot_ play this game like other FFs, i.e. mostly by banging away at the "fight" command and then healing when you need to.

You do understand what nonsense you are saying. Doesn’t matter why you grind and even how long, if you got levels in the process you were training, knowing how much stuff costs in this game, you trained a lot like we all.
I have no problem with any boss in this game, i.e. I don’t mean marks here and I never said I have problems with bosses in this game. I said I have problems with very early in game assigned lvl 5 marks.
At the moment I started this thread I wasn’t still sure is it minigame or is part of the main game, i.e. I mean hunts. Montblanc was stressing on doing hunts fast, when they are available. I had to play much longer to understand that this isn’t “real” warning, that I won’t loose hunts if I will skip them.

Some hints based on my experience: have dedicated magic users with mystic armours and staves/rods. Use them to cast slow, blind, gravity, silence (when appropriate), and other offensive spells as well as curing spells. The fact that offensive magic is effective in this game allows space for significantly more varied strategies than in previous FF games (where offensive magic usually sucked relative to regular attacks from the better fighters, at least when its MP cost was factored in). Moreover, bosses are sometimes vulnerable to certain status afflictions such as slow and blind. Take advantage of this. Also make liberal use of stat-reducing technicks like addle, expose, wither, etc. Have your entire party under protect at all times (after a certain point the game). Try not to fight monsters in big groups whenever possible, and know when to run away. If a certain class of monster keeps wiping the ground with you, just avoid them when possible. If all monsters in an area are wiping the ground with you despite your best efforts, then try to get new equipment or activate additional licenses, and only if this fails should you level grind.

I think I stated clearly I don’t want any spoilers, still you post abilities/spells I yet will get in game. I understand you might not think it’s spoiler, I do think it is. And show me where I asked for advices, I was able to beat every game I encountered on my own, I will beat this game without your hep I can assure you.

After 70 hours I had around 20 marks if my memory serves me right, and I finished the game in 90 hours with around 27 or 28 marks finished, and my highest level was 48. I've also been gaming for around 15 years, and I didn't have the problems you did. Yes, this game has less character interaction than the other post FF5 FFs, and the story seems to happen more "behind the scenes". These are the game's weakest points, though I don't feel the story is "bland". It had the potential to be much better though.

If you finished this game in 90 hours, I don’t care what you think about this game honestly, in my books you haven’t played this game, you or ran through it, I respect that everyone can play the game how he/she wants. It’s just if you wait for a game 5 years, and then run through it, why would I care about what you have to say. 2.) You used guides, then I care about what you have to say almost the same as I care what grass thinks.

So the hunt was really, super tricky. Not everything is always fair after all. Sometimes you have to work for stuff. Are you saying you don't want a challenge and just want to breeze through a game?

I hope you do understand circumstances of this hunt. I got it being lvl 25 almost in the beginning of the game. Montblanc and petitioner, both insisted on me doing this hunt as fast as possible. I tried, I thought that might be important for story-other hunts-rewards, etc. I never complained about him being too hard, I complained about being no logic in assigning this hunt so early in game, making me train my party from lvl 25-37, trying to take him down without any good abilities/spells in possession and forcing me to grind about 12 hours.
I was coming back to him every 2 levels, you can count how many times I died to him. I’m very much aware that he is immune to almost everything I possessed and faster than my party.
The worst part of this I overtrained trying to kill him, he ruined my game even more if it’s possible. When I stopped trying to kill him and went back to story, I met no real challenge, cos so early in game my party is lvl 37… that’s bad. After advancing in story, not only I finally got to buy some very useful skills/magics (like curaga and bubble and many many more), I got marks so much lower than him, that’s not even funny, my party wins those fights without me even interfaring, solely on gambits and in no time. Why SE did this I can’t undestand and I mean it. I find it hilarious how chocobos ruined FFX for me and it seems FF12 too.

No.78, You will get my special treatment cos you are to blame this thread turning into flame fest. I can assure you, you won’t enjoy this.

What the hell has that gotta do with anything? Does Ashe have to marry Vaan cos they're the heroes?

If you have IQ bellow vegetable, you shouldn’t be posting on public boards in the first place. I was making a joke which is so easy to understand that even vegetable would.
If you think that a thief and girl who passed by travelling with royal person, her guard and hired pirates is normal thing for the story without any explanations, you really have “issues”

Dude, what the hell.

Look up, take an IQ test.

Don't blame the game, blame yourself. 70 hours and 10 marks isn't cos the game sucks, its cos you suck.

That I will leave without comments. It’s selfexplanatory who is who

Wow, you found a challenging enemy? That's just shocking, SHOCKING!

I explained it many times, won’t bother one more time. Learn to read.

Okay.

...So, what?

< Vegetable?

There is strategy too, it's not all about your stats. Besides, if you don't like it don't play it, simple. Yes, it is an FF game, get over it.

Strategy on beating lvl 5 mark, immune to everything at the beginning of the game, being lvl 25, not having any good equipment, abilities, spells?
By name it is FF game, by spirit it is not, get over it.

I thought you hated this game? Now you're just contradicting yourself >.>

< vegetable please?
I’m not contradicting myself, show me where I say at least once I hate this game. When you’ll learn to read, come back and post.

Why is it that all of these "I hate FFXII" threads are popping up all over the place? I swear, if I enter another thread with posts like, "this game is not an FF 'cause it's different, and you had to train hard, and there are tough enemies!!!!!1!!111!!!1", I will go crazy!

I mean really, bottom line is:

IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE GAME, DON'T PLAY IT!

There is a thing called reading, I don’t hate this game and never said I do.
You take your advice and go away,
if you don’t like reading, don’t post!

m lvl 72 for vaan and lvl 50 for all but bathlier whos lvl 14 but ive done all of the lvl 1,2,3,4,5 rank marks and 3 lvl 6 but im stuck on the rank by the tower you know the one with 77 lvls and im 68 hours in and ive finished the story one just to see the ending i have all so done most of the rare games and have 13 of the stuff in the sky pirates den

Another vegetable?
Where do you see me asking about what you did in this game, I don’t care, when I will care I will post thread “how’s your FF12 progress”
I coudn’t care less what you think, because you haven’t played this game if you finished it in 68 hours.
If you honestly believe that someone will buy that you did all that in 68 hours by yourself, you probably think that only idiots post here.
I know more or less how long things take in this game, all others know too, they play this game, remember?

i didnt read this whole topic but what i read was u have played 70 hrs and u suck at this game ive spent 60 hrs and i havent died since belias and that was at like 7 or so hrs but yeh u just suck in my opinion but yeh w/e hunts are easy they dont need save spots and if they r really hard they do have a savespot sumwhat close like gilgamesh

More vegetables, wow! We soon will be able to make salad
I may be suck at this game, but you suck at gaming. I never died to any “story boss” at the beginning in any game ever, although I played hundreds of games.
If you haven’t died once to marks, you wasn’t bothering with hunts at the beginning of the game, meaning you even never checked on them out of curiosity. Once again you suck at gaming badly.
And yet again it’s not a race, it’s RPG and I don’t care what you achieved in this game a single bit.
Oh almost forgot, since you live in US, so your native language is english at least try to make some sense and use it properly.


Now, thanks Renmiri for posting here and I’ll be back to my game. Mods can close this topic, I’m not interested to know what this community thinks/feels about this game anymore.

[Urgent Picnic]

Although it wasn’t my intention, I feel that you guys really need to be verbally owned, firstly for pissing me off, secondly for being horrible gamers with huge egos.

I started this thread only because I felt really down after playing some of this game. I waited for it 5 years. If that wouldn’t be FF12 I would say it’s a good game, but it shouldn’t be FF12 game for sure. That’s my opinion.

If that's your opinion, you're more than entitled to it. But get over it. It is FFXII. It is what it is, there's no changing it. You're disappointed. That's fine, but you're in no position to bitch about other people's 'huge egos' regarding this series while uttering phrases such as: "It shouldn't be FF12 game for sure." You're just as self-righteous about your opinion as those that disagreed in here. Don't pretend that you're right, and everybody else is a horrible gamer with a huge ego.

Oh almost forgot, since you live in US, so your native language is english at least try to make some sense and use it properly.

Says the guy who started the post with lines like "If that wouldn't be FF12 would say it's a good game, but it shouldn't be FF12 game for sure." Next time you're trying to "own" people, leave proper English & grammar out of it. You're horrible at it.

[DK]

I don't know why you keep saying that RPG's require training, by which I'm assuming you mean levels and stat building. If that is not the case, then correct me, but that's what I've seen so far. They do not. Especially this one. Look on youtube for 122333 and you will see the guy who completed the game and ALL hunts with a base level team. No levelling at all. None. Completed the game with the levels he started with. You don't NEED levels. Just strategy and skill.

[Angel_from_hell]

There is so much to write in this answer that I barley know where to start really. I have read so many childish and egoistic things in this Thread that I have to write my own opinion eventhough I prefer not to.

First I want to say this right to you "Cloudy Sky", you are behaving kind of childish...STOP! before you start to think that I am the big evil poster that is trying to say evil things to you and insult you because that isn´t what I really want instead I want to say my opinion about what I see when I read what you have written.
So why do I say that you are childish? I can answer that and I will since I haven´t called you that if I hadn´t had a good argue behind it. To get you to understand this I will have to get through some points In what have happened earlier in this thread. We start from the begining.
You play the game and decides that this game wasn´t something you liked, actually you where disapointed since you have played some of the other Final Fantasy games and decied that every Final Fantasy must be the same to actually be a Final Fantasy. Your disapointment leads you to start the thread, you write a thread with many loose arguments to why you dislike the game. Someone that actually likes the game reads the thread and decideds to give an answer to it, "No.78" that probably likes the game answers on your loose arguments with your own kind of medecine and you blame him/her for insulting you. That I call childish, because you becomes angry because someone dosen´t think the same way that you do someone tells you the truth and you can´t stand it so you call it insulting.

Now over to the next part of what i want to say, the part where I read trough your thread and answers your loose arguments, because you wrote the way you did you have to be open to critic because even if you don´t want to realise this has become an open dissusing thread. So please accept that people will critizise you when you critizes a game like final fantasy 12.

I will take your post in bits:

Well I play PAL game, I'm 70 hours in the game, most of that time I trained!!! Is it really FF?

What is a Final Fantasy game? Can you give me a full and right answer to that question and maybe I will accept some of the things you have written. Maybe you want a game where you don´t have to train, then choose another game and don´t make such a fuzz over this game.

If Ashe likes Vaan then she hides it real good I must say.

I must say the same thing as No.78, does Vaan and Ashe has to marry or something just because they have big parts in the game? Just because the characthers interact with each other it dosen´t mean that they have to have a romantic relationship with each other. And you can´t judge the game through your own wishes.

Another thing which doesn't make sense at all as not being to able to save before fighting hunt marks.

Save somewhere near the mark, there are almost always a save point in a nearby town, village, forest or something where you can save.

And totally was let down by this game yesterday, when after 1 hour fight against super speedy and tricky chocobo I finally got him down to critical hp and then he literally KOed out my entire party.

Don´t complain just because it becomes to hard for you, If you die to easily it means you are underleveled or, that you use the wrong way. Don´t blame the game for that, it is your own fault that you died because you lacked of level or the right tecknick.

Is it really FF game? I usually love to train near the end in any FF game, I somewhat hate training in this game and I have to train all the time if I want to beat marks-bosses.

As I said before, can you promise me that you know what a real Final Fantasy game is? The marks in opinal, you don´t have to defeat them if you don´t want to, so don´t complain. The marks are there to make a challeng to the player so ofcourse they are harder than the bosses. So you will have to train and use good strategys.

To sum this up, before you critizise somthing, think through that people will critiziese you back. It is childish to think otherwise. And what you said to No.78.

I'm deadly serious. I'm fed up with the guys, who thinks that public boards and online games are for insulting people because no punishment will follow.

And I am fed up with the guys that thinks that their opinion about something is the only right opinion. So they becomes angry when other people speaks their opinion.

I thought I could end my post here but since I read what have happened in the posts over me I have to say some more things. You aren´t just childish you are mean to, I don´t think I have seen such a mean and selfish person in a very long time, go back and read through how you have been behaving towards other persons on this forum and be asheamed because you are behaving in a really nasty way