I couldn't even get past your first paragraph before I had to facepalm.Originally Posted by Yu-Yevon
Ok, first.
The hydrogen didn't cool down to become rock. Huge numbers of hydrogen particles attracted each other into clumps, until the internal pressure of those clumps became so great that the atoms of hydrogen fused to become helium. It's basic stellar physics. In main sequence stars, that helium and hydrogen further fuse at the end of it's life into carbon, and nitrogen, and other basic elements. When the star's life ends, a large proportion of that matter is thrown out, and the process continues elsewhere. In giant stars, the step goes further, taking the carbon and nitrogen and fusing it into iron, and various other heavier metals. This continues, until the larger molecules clumped together in a stellar accretion disk to form planetary bodies.Okay, now sit down now, boys and girls - it's story time! Shhhh.... Once upon a time, billions of years ago, there was nothing. Suddenly, magically, the nothing exploded into something. That something is called hydrogen. Can you say "hydrogen?" I knew you could. This hydrogen eventually cooled down enough to condense into solid rock. It was magic rock. Inert and lifeless, but still magical. And then, magically, water formed in the sky above the rock. The waters rained on the rock for, oh, let's say billions of years. Some of the rock broke down into minerals, and these minerals washed into a pool of water.
Some of these bodies were dense and massive enough to attract various gasses creating an atmosphere. After a time, the heat from the formation of said bodies dissipates, causing water molecules in their new atmospheres to condense creating oceans and the like.
Again, no. It's simple chemistry. Carbon molecules reacted with the hydrogen, oxygen and nitrogen to create simple proteins, which then combined to become amino acids. These steps have been recreated in a laboratory. The part we cannot create at the moment, is where those amino acids combine into RNA and DNA, although we have gotten to the point where they form into basic celluar "shells" or membranes. Not alive, but definitely close.Then one day some of these minerals magically formed into a kind of goo in the pool of water. Can you say "goo?" I knew you could. Well do you know what happened then? That's right! The goo magically became ALIVE. So anyway, this bit of magic goo magically found something to eat. Then, magically, it found another bit of magic goo to marry, and they had a whole bunch of magical little goos. Eventually - millions of years later - some of this goo grew up into all the plants and animals in the world around us. If it's alive, it came from that first bit of magic goo! Well, more time went on. Finally some of this goo magically evolved - can you say "evolved?" I knew you could - some of this goo magically evolved upwards and upwards, growing ever more advanced, bigger, stronger, smarter, until it became a kind of magical hairless ape with thumbs.
The cells that form went about their business, absorbing sunlight to create energy, and going through mitosis a few times. Eventually, their genetic material went through a few mutations, creating cells that consume other cells to create energy, as well as mutating in such a way as to create a viable multi-celled organism. These became the first insects and simple fish, when continued to develop and mutate. By this time, all the extra oxy the phytoplankton had been pumping out created a breathable atmosphere, and certain fish that had undergone another subtle mutation were able to use their gills or gill-analogues to breathe the atmo, some of which eventually crawled on land, which became the first amphibians.
These amphibians continued to develop, until splitting into two (I know there are more, but this is just for the sake of explanation) groups, one remaining amphibians, the other developing into reptiles. Those reptiles splitting into three other groups. One of which, again, remaining the same with minor changes, the other two undergoing drastic change. Some eventually became birds, while others that had developed fur, became mammals.
The first mammals were small, vole-like creatures, and so were quite capable of surviving the mass extinction following the Cretaceous Period. These mammals again split, some dwelling on the ground, some going into the trees, and this is where we get the predecessor to the apes, monkeys and humans. Some of them came out of the trees to become the proto-humans, Australopithecenes and others, some of the ones who left the trees also became the modern great apes, gorillas, chimps, orangutans, what have you.
As for the issue about eyes, I don't know enough about biology to get into that, but I have to say something about this
There is no fossil record, because the eye tissue is far too soft to fossilize. Also, I must ask, what evidence is there for ID? I have not seen Creationists offer one single bit of evidence for their side, quoting only from the bible, or using assumptions not based anywhere near the Scientific Method.The complexity of eyes still argue for the reality of instantaneous formation by an incredibly intelligent designer. There is neither a fossil record showing that the eye evolved nor any testable observations explain how it could possible happen. With these facts in mind, why do we allow textbook selection which leaves out both the problems with evolution and the evidence for intelligent design? This is indoctrination, not education.
Now, on to the questions:
Questions for Evolutionists
1.Where did the space for the universe come from?
What kind of question is this? It's not like there's some magical barrier just outside our universe. Space is emptiness. It's infinite.
2.Where did matter come from?
We're still trying to figure this out.
3.Where did the laws of the universe come from (gravity, inertia, etc.)?
The laws are intrinsic to matter. Gravity is an electromagnetic force exerted by matter. Inertia is as well, although it also includes friction.
4.How did matter get so perfectly organized?
It's not. Not even close. Don't you know what radiation is? It's essentially atoms falling apart at the seams. Which is why it's dangerous. The parts that are broken off, then smack into other atoms, causing similar reactions.
5.Where did the energy come from to do all the organizing?
Again, it's not organized.
6.When, where, why, and how did life come from non-living matter?
The closest explanation we have is the one I used above, about amino acids combining. We still don't know exactly.
7.When, where, why, and how did life learn to reproduce itself?
Again, mutation. The original cells mutated, which allowed them to split into two separate organisms.
8.With what did the first cell capable of sexual reproduction reproduce?
Cells don't reproduce sexually.
9.Why would any plant or animal want to reproduce more of its kind since this would only make more mouths to feed and decrease the chances of survival? (Does the individual have a drive to survive, or the species? How do you explain this?)
I myself only have a basic understanding of biology, and evolutionary theory. *is a physicist* So I can't answer this one.
10.How can mutations (recombining of the genetic code) create any new, improved varieties? (Recombining English letters will never produce Chinese books.)
Because mutations that help the creature survive are passed onto its offspring, and then they carry the mutation as well. Mutations that do not, kill the creature, and their genes are not passed on.
11.Is it possible that similarities in design between different animals prove a common Creator instead of a common ancestor?
Anything is possible, however the evidence points elsewhere at the moment.
12.Natural selection only works with the genetic information available and tends only to keep a species stable. How would you explain the increasing complexity in the genetic code that must have occurred if evolution were true?
Mutation is the only answer I can offer. Creatures with small lifespans and large reproduction rates, like cells, have a much, much higher chance of mutation, thus they mutate more often, creating more complex genetic code. That repeated over billions of years, leads to some complex code.
13.When, where, why, and how did:
-Single-celled plants become multi-celled? (Where are the two and three-celled intermediates?)
Apparently the intermediates died off, as they weren't as successful as the multi and the single celled versions. Again, I'm no biologist.
-Single-celled animals evolve?
The first living things were single-cell plants. Those mutated to consume other cells to create energy. Those were the first animals.
-Fish change to amphibians?
Look above.
-Amphibians change to reptiles?
Again, see above.
-Reptiles change to birds? (The lungs, bones, eyes, reproductive organs, heart, method of locomotion, body covering, etc., are all very different!)
Not entirely, there are some species of bird that are rather close to reptilian, and some reptiles that are rather bird like, although most of them are extinct.
-How did the intermediate forms live?
*shrug* I'm no paleontologist.
14.When, where, why, how, and from what did:
-Whales evolve?
Land mammals that went back into the sea. They began living more and more of their lives in the sea, until they just left the land entirely. Feet mutating webs, and those mutating into fins, etc.
-Sea horses evolve?
-Bats evolve?
-Eyes evolve?
-Ears evolve?
-Hair, skin, feathers, scales, nails, claws, etc., evolve?
The rest of these, I can only attribute to mutation. I don't know enough of biology to answer.
15.Which evolved first (how, and how long; did it work without the others)?
The digestive system, the food to be digested, the appetite, the ability to find and eat the food, the digestive juices, or the body’s resistance to its own digestive juice (stomach, intestines, etc.)?
The drive to reproduce or the ability to reproduce?
The lungs, the mucus lining to protect them, the throat, or the perfect mixture of gases to be breathed into the lungs?
DNA or RNA to carry the DNA message to cell parts?
The termite or the flagella in its intestines that actually digest the cellulose?
The plants or the insects that live on and pollinate the plants?
The bones, ligaments, tendons, blood supply, or muscles to move the bones?
The nervous system, repair system, or hormone system?
The immune system or the need for it?
Again, I do not know.
16.There are many thousands of examples of symbiosis that defy an evolutionary explanation. Why must we teach students that evolution is the only explanation for these relationships?
Because it's the only example we have that has proof, and that can be tested. This is what makes it a theory. ID CANNOT be tested, and thus is not a legitimate theory, and remains in the realm of religion, where it belongs.
17.How would evolution explain mimicry? Did the plants and animals develop mimicry by chance, by their intelligent choice, or by design?
Behavior has to do with the brain, that's all I know.
18.When, where, why, and how did man evolve feelings? Love, mercy, guilt, etc. would never evolve in the theory of evolution.
Again. I know basically nothing about the brain.
19.*How did photosynthesis evolve?
It's the simplest form of powering the body. Absorbing light energy which is changed to whatever the body needs.
20.*How did thought evolve?
*shrug*
21.*How did flowering plants evolve, and from what?
Dunno, but they evolved from non-flowering plants.
22.*What kind of evolutionist are you? Why are you not one of the other eight or ten kinds?
I was unaware there were kinds. I though you either subscribed to the theory, or you didn't.
23.What would you have said fifty years ago if I told you I had a living coelacanth in my aquarium?
I'd have said you were rather rich, because the coelacanth was rediscovered in like the 1910s.
24.*Is there one clear prediction of macroevolution that has proved true?
No, because we've only known about macroevolution for a few hundred years. It takes MILLIONS at the very least.
25.*What is so scientific about the idea of hydrogen as becoming human?
Hydrogen didn't just become human. You're skipping most of the processes, which are all scientific, have been documented and proven, for the most part.
26.Do you honestly believe that everything came from nothing?
Personally, I believe it's all cyclical. All the matter in this universe has always been here, or was dumped here by some anomaly from another universe, or whatever. However what I feel doesn't matter when weighed against actual evidence. Evidence is all that matters.
Long post. :o Anyway, again, I'm a Computer Scientist/Physicist using a basic knowledge of biology and evolution. Just because I don't know, doesn't mean other people don't, and just because nobody knows at this time, doesn't mean it's unknowable, or that it was a creator. We just don't know. But that's why science exists. To explore, and to explain. It can't be done all at once, and immediately.
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