Question on the ending

[Wolf Kanno]

The FFT ending is quite possibly my favorite ending of any game/movie/book. I remember the first time I beat it I just sat there for a few minutes in stunned silence thinking ''wow, I can't believe they did that'. It is open enough for you to believe that they lived or died. I like endings that leave it open enough to wonder, but keep the choices to two or three outcomes so that each is well developed and plausable. (I feel the ending where they all die is the far superior one). Having everyone live happily ever after would just ruin the entire tone of the game up until that point.

Likewise we have another big question with the whole Delitia/Ovelia situation. Though many people see this as a confirmation that Delitia has become a 'bad guy' I see it in a far different manner. Delitia and Ramza are both heroes, and the game shows just what you get for being a hero.
Ramza saved Ivalice from Lucavi, and in turn was ostracized from society and ultimately ended up dying in a selfless struggle to save the world.
Delitia ultimately sold his soul to become king and be in a position to save Ivalice from itself, and in return lost himself and anyone he could ever call a loved one/friend. He saved Ivalice but ultimately lost everything himself.
Both are tragic heroes in my eyes, which is what makes the story so powerful.

This is my thoughts exactly. It brings up the idea that being a hero is to be nothing more than a sacrifice for the people. I like Tactics for having a realistic ending. In the end, the world is better in some ways and worse in others.

Honestly, Ramza is such a complex character though, he's realistically portrayed as someone who fights for his own personal justice and was even willing to kill his own brothers and loose all face within society for his ideals and beliefs. You rarely see this in most "good" main characters.

Ramza saved Ivalice from Lucavi, and in turn was ostracized from society and ultimately ended up dying in a selfless struggle to save the world.

He didnt die, unless you got a game over

It was a selfless struggle and he got no thanks for doing it all. But he did fake his death and go into exile with Alma. I imagine they (and whatever companions you still had) left that area of Ivalice and just lived a regular life

As far as Delita goes, from what I understand his reign was a good one... Despite his questionable rise to power (lets face it, most of it was down right dirty). He manipulated alot, but had he not been the one to stand up at the end and take control, someone worse (or nobody at all, total anarchy) would have. Sometimes the ends justifies the means, people forget all the messed up stuff that was happening whether or not Delita took advantage of the situation. Delita wasnt manipulating the war, just the people who were.

Ramza took care of the evil monsters and all that, but Delita took care of the area politically. They were both important in bringing about a happy ending, Ramza just got the short end of the stick on the fame. Had Delita not actually thought Ramza was dead, I bet he would have tried to clear his name (I wonder why Ramza didnt let Delita know)

History is filled with people who backstabbed there way to the top but are generally thought as good and just rulers. Delita really did just take advantage of a political plot that was beginning to unravel. If anything, Delita should be grateful that Ramza dealt with a few key figures that allowed him to obtain his goals.

[Bolivar]

It was a selfless struggle and he got no thanks for doing it all. But he did fake his death and go into exile with Alma. I imagine they (and whatever companions you still had) left that area of Ivalice and just lived a regular life

I guess that's what being a hero is all about.

I like to think my soldiers went on to become the first judges (except now we know FFT takes place after XII/TA (if it's a real world))

[Orichalcon]

i loved Ramza's character and I don't know if it goes with it but even if Delita required understanding I was ready to throw him into Poeskas Lake

[Sefie1999AD]

Hmm, it seems the general opinion has been that Ovelia's stabbing didn't really hurt Delita. I always thought he was fatally wounded after she stabbed him, and he probably died a few minutes after being stabbed. Didn't he seem severely injured when he was walking after being stabbed? I mean, didn't he even fall on his knees before the screen faded out?

Since Ramza and Alma made it back alive from hell, I always assumed the party members did the same as well. How did Ramza and Alma get back in the first place, though, since Rofel destroyed the entrance gate?

[Lynx]

Hmm, it seems the general opinion has been that Ovelia's stabbing didn't really hurt Delita. I always thought he was fatally wounded after she stabbed him, and he probably died a few minutes after being stabbed. Didn't he seem severely injured when he was walking after being stabbed? I mean, didn't he even fall on his knees before the screen faded out?

Since Ramza and Alma made it back alive from hell, I always assumed the party members did the same as well. How did Ramza and Alma get back in the first place, though, since Rofel destroyed the entrance gate?

delita might have looked wounded but no one would walk to well after having to kill someone they loved (assumeing he did love her). maybe he was walking weird from a wound or maybe he was walking weird from a broken heart. all though delita is always manipulating and useing people doesnt neccesarily mean he wasn't in love with ovelia.

also it was never revealed whether ramza, alma and the rest died or not. maybe that was just olans imagination. maybe ramza saw that he wasnt needed anymore and decided to pull a kenshin and become a wanderer.

delita being the only one alive makes it an interesting ending. because in the end he's all alone. takes its lonely at the top to a whole new level.

[The Summoner of Leviathan]

I always assumed Delita was seriously injured by the wound as well, perhaps not life threatening but at least something that put him in bed for a while. Also, if Delita died then and there, there would be no one to succeed him, since there is no mention of an heir. It is interesting that Ovelia stabs him for being manipulated, since he did break his promise that he would not (he even swore by Teta). I had always thought that during the stabbing scene that Delita was about to kill Olivia (to completely avoid any obstacles in his way) and Ovelia had found out so she decided to kill him before he killed her. From what I read here, I am thinking I got the wrong impression.

Delita is an interesting character, in a way much similar to MacBeth. Both honourable men to begin with (though MacBeth was already nobility) but succumb to ambition and lose themselves in the process. Ultimately, both become what they loathe most.

FFT is one of the best example of the biasness of history and how it tends to be written by "winners". Delita goes down in history for he is the "hero" who saves Ivalice, Ramza becomes forgotten as he is labelled a heretic and subsequently disappears from the face of the earth (at first literally, then later goes underground).

I think the main theme to FFT would be appearance vs. reality since there are many examples where this clash. First, Ramza's own perception of his brothers and the later revelation of their true intentions; second, the whole treatment of Ramza and Delita in history; third, St. Ajora's own life. There are probably more as well. A consequence of this theme is the two-sides-of-the-story idea, where there is the historically accepted side and the hidden truth (e.g. Delita's fame-Ramza's obscurity; St. Ajora's saintliness-Ajora as a spy/rebel). There is a nice contrast that plays throughout the game.

For all these reasons and more it make FFT one of my favourite, if not my favourite, Final Fantasy game. The battle system just plain rocks as well.

((EDIT: I almost feel like I am so close to breaking out into an essay format with this...))

[Kefka_Almighty]

You know....people keep talking about this scene, and I never remember seeing it. When does it occur in the game, as I don't recall it even occuring after the credits roll.

[BG-57]

It's after the credits are over. It's easy to miss.

[Lynx]

It's after the credits are over. It's easy to miss.

true i beat the game like 5 years before i had ever even seen the scene. a friend of mine told me so i went and rebeat it. its a very interesting scene too, sums up delita's life.

[VeloZer0]

Personally I've gotten to the point I feel ripped of if there isn't something after waiting though the credits of a game.

[Basic123s]

Hmm, it seems the general opinion has been that Ovelia's stabbing didn't really hurt Delita. I always thought he was fatally wounded after she stabbed him, and he probably died a few minutes after being stabbed. Didn't he seem severely injured when he was walking after being stabbed? I mean, didn't he even fall on his knees before the screen faded out?

Since Ramza and Alma made it back alive from hell, I always assumed the party members did the same as well. How did Ramza and Alma get back in the first place, though, since Rofel destroyed the entrance gate?

My thoughts exactly. I still believe that Delita died minutes after Ovelia stabbed him.

And I want him to die. That's what he gets for manipulating so many people, INCLUDING poor Ovelia.

[Ramza Beoulve]

Hmm, it seems the general opinion has been that Ovelia's stabbing didn't really hurt Delita. I always thought he was fatally wounded after she stabbed him, and he probably died a few minutes after being stabbed. Didn't he seem severely injured when he was walking after being stabbed? I mean, didn't he even fall on his knees before the screen faded out?

Since Ramza and Alma made it back alive from hell, I always assumed the party members did the same as well. How did Ramza and Alma get back in the first place, though, since Rofel destroyed the entrance gate?

My thoughts exactly. I still believe that Delita died minutes after Ovelia stabbed him.

And I want him to die. That's what he gets for manipulating so many people, INCLUDING poor Ovelia.

Actually, I think that living and living alone is the worst nightmare that Delita deserves, and also the only consecuences of his doings. Death is too good for him, and he knows it.

[BG-57]

That's the one advantage of an ambiguous ending; you can draw your own conclusions.

[Ramza Beoulve]

That's the one advantage of an ambiguous ending; you can draw your own conclusions.

True

[Bolivar]

Death is too good for him, and he knows it.

wow, that's a ed up (and deep) conclusion, g. but then again tactics is one deep game that has so much to offer with its storyline, including this awesome ending.