Maechen and the black mage dressphere (possible spoilers)

[gothic_fantasy]

In chapter one you receive the black mage dressphere on Mt Gagazet. It contains a view of Zanarkand and a man talking about getting a ticket to Lenne's concert. He says, "what a thrill, to be able to shake her hand like that."
Later on in chapter one you listen to Maechen's LONG story at the Youth League HQ and he asks to shake Yuna's hand. Something about her handshake surprises him but he doesn't specify. I read that he was surprised because her handshake felt like Lenne's. I then wondered, could there be a connection between Maechen and the man in the black mage dressphere? Maechen DID say he didn't know how old he was. Not to say he IS the man in the sphere, but who knows? I just thought it was a strange coincedence that I hadn't noticed before.
Any thoughts on this?
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[Jaffamitsu]

I thought it was supposed to be Maechen in the sphere a thousand years ago who shook Lennes hand....it can't be anyone else can it? When he shakes Yuna's hand he feels the connection between her and Lenne...so it has to be Maechen in the sphere a thousand years ago...

[BG-57]

We're meant to infer that Maechen (SPOILER)has met the real Lenne, which of course means he's been to the real Zanarkand that was destroyed 1000 years previously. Which makes him a little over a thousand years old. But being unsent has its advantages, apparently.

On a related note, he could most likely cross between Spira and DZ, like Auron and the Fayth of Bahamut. I wonder if he ever did.

[gothic_fantasy]

I don't feel like wrapping spoilers over every detail so don't read if you haven't got to chapter 3.




Lenne wasn't from dream Zanarkand, she was a summoner from the real Zanarkand that was destroyed..Maechen must be an unsent then. Doesn't really make sense but that's really all it could be. However...didn't all the unsents vanish after FFX when Yu Yevon was defeated? If so then there must be some other way that Maechen knew Lenne and the connection Lenne has with Yuna and Tidus with Shuyin?

[BG-57]

EDIT: Well, since the title of the thread mentions possible spoilers, I'll leave them off from now on.

EDIT2: Except for Chapters 4 and 5.

No, unsent could persist so long as they weren't part of the collective dream of the Fayth on Mt. Gagazet. Once the Fayth woke up, they vanished from Spira, as did their dream (DZ) and all its inhabitants (including Tidus).

(SPOILER)In FFX-2, the Fayth of the Aeons get dragged onto the Farplane and enslaved by Shuyin. Once freed, they can reconstitute Tidus. The game sidesteps the issue of what happens to the rest of the population of DZ.

And I wasn't suggesting that Lenne was from DZ, although the view we see through the sphere looks a lot like the architecture of DZ. It shouldn't be surprising since the real Zanarkand influenced DZ. However, the image in the sphere doesn't match the Zanarkand Ruins we see in FFX and FFX-2.

[samboo1]

I just assumed all along that it was Maechen in the sphere, and that when he shook Yuna's hand it felt like Lenne's handshake.

[gothic_fantasy]

And I wasn't suggesting that Lenne was from DZ, although the view we see through the sphere looks a lot like the architecture of DZ. It shouldn't be surprising since the real Zanarkand influenced DZ. However, the image in the sphere doesn't match the Zanarkand Ruins we see in FFX and FFX-2.

Well...ruined cities don't generally look exactly like the way they were when they were still standing, especially if they were devastated on the scale that was implied in the game. I highly doubt it would be DZ because apparently (SPOILER)Shuyin is the 'real' version of Tidus and he and Lenne were from real Zanarkand.
But you have a point about the fayth dreams i didn't think of that. So there probably are still unsents wandering around...but Yuna wouldn't be able to still send? Obviously she's lost her summoning powers and the ability to send with it.

[Renmiri]

Well you will find all this out on Chapter 5, if you complete the Zanarkand episode.

(SPOILER)yes, Maechen is an unsent who has shaken Lenne's hand and 1,000 later shakes Yuna's hand and finds their "aura" similar

[Jaffer]

We clearly haven't seen all of Zanarkand in the accessable maps so we shouldn't pay that any heed. Is the the Meachem in the game FF X from Dream Z or Real Z?

[Tavrobel]

We clearly haven't seen all of Zanarkand in the accessable maps so we shouldn't pay that any heed. Is the the Meachem in the game FF X from Dream Z or Real Z?

Maechen is from Spira. He can't be from DZ because he would have disappeared by now.

[Little Blue]

But you have a point about the fayth dreams i didn't think of that. So there probably are still unsents wandering around...but Yuna wouldn't be able to still send? Obviously she's lost her summoning powers and the ability to send with it.

No she hasn't. She's just got nothing to summon anymore. That's different to losing the power to summon and the power to send. Though she might be out of practice, the inherent ability to manipulate pyreflies a summoner needs to perform a Sending likely remains.

We clearly haven't seen all of Zanarkand in the accessable maps so we shouldn't pay that any heed. Is the the Maechen in the game FF X from Dream Z or Real Z?

As has already been stated many times by now, Maechen cannot have been from DZ for two reasons: 1) There is physical evidence of Maechen existing in Real Zanarkand (the Black Mage sphere). 2) He knows far too much about Spira to be from the Dream. Remember the Dream is isolated from Spira, basing its original construction from the Real Zanarkand, but otherwise passed no information from Spira to the Dream, ie, No one in DZ ever knew about Bevelle, the Ronso or even about Aeons.

Though I would like to challenge that an unsent dream citizen would disappear with the rest of the city. I don't believe they would, and would exist like normal unsents, entities derived purely by pyreflies based on the soul that permeated them in life. Consider that Tidus' Mother is seen in the Farplane, implying that after death, the pyreflies themselves can persist an entity (as an unsent or as a farplane apparition) and no longer need the summoning to keep them together, and we do hear from (SPOILER)Jecht in the final battles of X-2, after the dream had ended, who was a dream citizen.

[Renmiri]

That is true, we hear (SPOILER)Auron and Braska too but the battle in question takes place on the Farplane where likely the rules are more lax about unsent ?

We do know that Maechen can teleport inside Leblanc's Chatteau and the Celsius so he is no regular unsent either.

[Little Blue]

That's not true. We just have no evidence other unsents can do so. Similarly, what proof is there that Maechen teleported, could he not simply have walked through walls? They are afterall capable of practically dispersing themselves (typically when they show the party that they are infact unsent), and since pyreflies can move freely through pretty much anything, I see no reason why any unsent couldn't walk through walls as a pyrefly cloud and recombining later.

The rules inside the farplane I would think still apply, in that there are no unsents in the farplane. Instead, I believe what we hear is a behavoural response manifested by the pyreflies that once constituted these individuals, much like how sent individuals can appear to manifest near the guado entrance.

But alas, this is only theory.

[Renmiri]

Auron never teleported himself, not even when Yuna was in danger and Tidus and Kimahri tried to put down a door on a temple. I think it is safe to assume he just couldn't go through walls/ teleport.

[Formalhaut]

listen to renmiri, she wonderful