Did Squaresoft ever say anything about the R=U theory?

[Xurts]

How am I not correct? As she was controlling Edea, she made it apparent that she was trying to destroy the SeeD, and if she had killed the SeeDs in the present, SeeD could not exist in the future.

Imagine that you were Squall and Co. who have just come back from the future. What are you going to do? You're going to tell the leading people who will actually believe you: Odine, Laguna, maybe even Edea. So they publish books on the subject (you just know that Odine would publish one). So everybody knows that in the future, SeeD's from 'now' will travel to the future, and destroy some sorceress called Ultimecia.

Hundreds of years later, a girl grows up with sorceress powers, and everybody hates her because of the book that was published. She gets angry with this, and decides to call herself Ultimecia. Once done, she decides that she want's to kill all the SeeD's and defy fate. So she does time compression so that they will be stuck in a void of time forever. But Squall and Co. use the compressed time, and well, you know what happens.

When was all of this information said in FF8? I never remembered anything that said Ultimecia being some person who was hated in the future because she was a sorceress.

It wasn't in the game, he's just thinking what if.

Here's an interesting analysis of the whole Ultimecia/time thing:
GameFAQs: Final Fantasy VIII (PS) Time/Ultimecia Plot FAQ by Sir Bahamut

[The Crystal]

Um, yeah she is. All the SeeDs were dead in her time and she already ruled the world in the future. If she had never gone back to the past, Squall and the gang would never have found out about her and she could have still ruled the future and not have been killed.

That's not true. She had to go to the past to get Ellone, so she could compress time and rule the world. If she doesn't do that, then she doesn't rule everything, just her own era. Rulling her own era wasn't enough for her. Defeating Squall was just another little errand she had to run while possessing Edea.

And that's all I'm going to say here.

Exactly. Her objective was to absorb existence itself and become God, not to kill the SeeDs. They were just in her way. If her objective was to kill them, she would never make TC in the first place, because she ISN'T stupid. If you remember the game Pupu, you will remember that she manipulated Delling, the nation of Galbadia, the Gardens, the Lunar Cry, etc. Even if you don't like her character, Pupu, you cannot say with a straight face that she was stupid.

[jammi567]

No, she wasn'y stupid, she was just arrogant and thought that she could defy fate.

[Goldenboko]

No, she wasn'y stupid, she was just arrogant and thought that she could defy fate.

Arrogance and Ignorance are signs of stupidity

[PhoenixAsh]

Veering on topic for a moment. R=U gets a lot more stick than it deserves in my opinion. I can't remember the arguments fully, but I defended an agnostic position regarding it back before Ultimania got brought to light. Now that Ultimania is around the whole thing does seem a lot less likely, but don't let people tell you it was just a crazy theory by stupid people. I have been in countless numbers of these debates. There was plenty of evidence to at least suggest the possibility of R=U, and many opponents of R=U often presented far less reasonable arguments and (thanks I guess to their side being more popular) did so far more arrogantly.

[jammi567]

No, she wasn'y stupid, she was just arrogant and thought that she could defy fate.

Arrogance and Ignorance are signs of stupidity

Really? So if i was arrogant, and really want to do something badly, that would make me stupid. And if i don't know a particular thing, that makes me overall stupid?

[Crizpy]

Veering on topic for a moment. R=U gets a lot more stick than it deserves in my opinion. I can't remember the arguments fully, but I defended an agnostic position regarding it back before Ultimania got brought to light. Now that Ultimania is around the whole thing does seem a lot less likely, but don't let people tell you it was just a crazy theory by stupid people. I have been in countless numbers of these debates. There was plenty of evidence to at least suggest the possibility of R=U, and many opponents of R=U often presented far less reasonable arguments and (thanks I guess to their side being more popular) did so far more arrogantly.

Yeah, Ive got the impression that people for somewhat reason HATES the theory and the people who think its true.
At least from what I've seen on other forums (not this one)
They just throw things like "OMG NOT THIS AGAIN, RETARD, ITS OBVIOUS THAT ITS WRONG LOL" at you, then 90% of the rest of the posters jumps on the bandwagon.

Never really realised where all the hate comes from.

[PhoenixAsh]

Yeah, pretty much. There are people who intelligently argue against it. Sir Bahamut's analysis linked to above is very well thought out, even though I remember disagreeing with him over it. It tends, I think, to be people who act most hostile towards the theory that have the weakest arguments against it.

I never really understood the hostility. It isn't like R=U threads aren't clearly marked. They're pretty damn easy to avoid if you don't like them.

[The Crystal]

No, she wasn'y stupid, she was just arrogant and thought that she could defy fate.

Arrogance and Ignorance are signs of stupidity

All FF villains are stupid then.



Seriously, stating that she was stupid just because you(anyone that think like that) don't like her as a character is... Well, stupid. It's the same thing if i say, "Kefka was so weak in the FFVI universe that even an ant could kill him LOL", just because i don't like him. You have the right to dislike Ultimecia, but at least, give credit to her for what she did. In FFVIII she manipulated... Everyone. Of the FF villains i know, she is one of the smartest.

[ragnosica]

i'll give u one small argument for why is Ultimecia the smartest: she manipulated Seifer into following her. Now, when Seifer wanted to give Rinoa to Adel she tried to persuade him to cahnge his mind, but she DID NOT succed...that blew me away. If Ultimecia outpassed Rinoa at persuading than not only that she isn't stupid, she's a friggin genius .
As for the R=U theory u all missed the point. It's not given as a debate subject, or as a certainty, or as an impossibility for that matter. It's just a plain POSSIBILITY; like the possibility that Shadow is Relm's father in FFVI. Given that it's not pointed out in the game but merely suggested, none of you will ever be able to give a conclusion. End of story.
As for time compression, the reason why she compressed time although she didn't have to is simple and I tip the hat to SE for this idea. No matter how sweet the future sounds/is, nobody likes an inconvenient present.

[Goldenboko]

Last time I try to make a joke... ever.

[Forsaken Lover]

Just ignore that quote from Crystal. It contradicts the entire plot of the game. Here is what Ultimecia is really after.

Time compression. Time compression? It's time magic. Past, present, and future get compressed. What's going to happen to the world? Why do something like that?

Rinoa: (to Squall) ...I should tell you this before I go. I was possessed out in space. There was a sorceress inside me. Ultimecia, a sorceress from the future. She's trying to achieve time compression. She's the only one who would be able to exist in such a world.

Ultimecia: The world was on the brink of that ever-elusive 'time compression'.

Ultimecia (in her final form): Time shall compress... All existence erased.

Ultimecia is the only being, for wheatever reason, that can exist in a Time Compression world. Everything else is denied and dead.

And for all we know, Adel could have been stronger than Ultimecia.

If we want to actually give Ultimecia some "depth" we can say she is a victim of her own fear. She is the supreme being of her time but the thought of someone rising up eventually and defeating her haunts her. She seeks to remove this by making herself the only being alive. Of course, by doing so, she ensures her destruction.

It's a common plot element for characters.

[Heero Yuy NWZC]

Oh my goodness this theory will never end. D: I've been gone for months and it's still here.

[The Crystal]

Just ignore that quote from Crystal. It contradicts the entire plot of the game. Here is what Ultimecia is really after.

Translation: "Just ignore the official word of SE. I'm right and they are wrong.
Seriously guys, please, ignore the Scan created by SE to explain Ultimecia's power. If we don't ignore it, that means she is more powerful than my loveable Kuja. And as a big fanboy, i cannot accept it."

In the end of the game, TC was happening, but it wasn't finished yet. This is why SeeD was capable of going through it, and leaving it in Ultimecia's future(like Odine explained). TC wasn't happening in Ultimecia's time, yet. But during the final battle, Ultimecia's time begun to suffer it's consequences, and then she begun to absorb time and space to inside herself(in her final form). She was practicaly compressing time inside herself.
This is probably why she would be the only one to exist in a Time Compressed world. Because a Time Compressed world would be the result of TC, the end of it. All time would be compressed... Inside herself. She would be the only one to "exist"(actualy, she would be existence itself).

We don't know why she wanted to absorb the universe. Maybe she has a good reason we don't know. Or maybe she was just power hungry.
But the fact is that she was absorbing all existence. This is a fact presented in the game. Accept it or shut up.

[Xurts]

It must get really lonely just sitting there on your throne in your castle in a time compressed world. =(