Did Squaresoft ever say anything about the R=U theory?

[Takara]

>>And what will happen to the world when Ulti died?
I mean, the sorceress must pass her power to someone. And after Ulti will be Edea. And so does that mean the rest of the ulti period will be no sorceress receiving the power?

Not necessarily. Unless Ultimecia and/or SeeD killed all the other sorceresses of her time, her death doesn't mean there won't be any more sorceresses after her death.

Besides, it was never stated in game that only one sorceress can exist during the same time period. I'm pretty sure it's even said at some point, by Edea no less, that there are other sorceresses in the world that conceal their power out of fear.

[Jessweeee♪]

FFVIII is my second favorite Final Fantasy, but I always avoid the forums because the TC discussions makes me think of time loops, which give me a headache.

[Mirage]

Time loops are the best. They're almost like drugs.

[ragnosica]

That's like saying that when Marty traveled to the past in Back to the Future he should have instantly separated into sperm and egg since he hadn't been conceived yet.

exactly ,and it's initially sperm, not egg, egg is after

[cloud21zidane16]

That's like saying that when Marty traveled to the past in Back to the Future he should have instantly separated into sperm and egg since he hadn't been conceived yet.

also its like saying on part 2 he goes into the future(2015 i think:rolleyes2 ) if he checked old news reports it would say he was missing since 1985

[CimminyCricket]

That's like saying that when Marty traveled to the past in Back to the Future he should have instantly separated into sperm and egg since he hadn't been conceived yet.

xD That would have made a wonderful movie!

[The Crystal]

What do you mean that we aren't given a reason? Have you been paying attention at all?
In the game, it was said that she wanted to kill all SeeD, because SeeD was opposed to her. But in her time, all the SeeD have been killed, and she already had control of the world.

So she really didn't have much of a reason to try to compress time. She wanted to make it so that SeeD never existed apparently, which eventually led to her downfall, because the SeeD in the present discovered what she was planning, and Ellone sent Squall and co. to the future, and Ultimecia was defeated.

But you're right, she's such a horrible villain.

Completely wrong. Ultimecia is not that stupid, play the game again.

Ultimecia's reason:

Ultimecia, transformed to absorb all time and space. Absorbing all existence as we speak.

She wanted to absorb existence and become... God.

Is like i allways say. The majority of people that don't like her as a villain, are people that didn't understand the story.


And the UOG already proved that Rinoa isn't Ultimecia.

[Crizpy]

Whats a UOG?

[The Crystal]

Whats a UOG?

UOG = Ultimania Omega Guide. A book created by SE that explain some things about the story, that weren't explained in the game. Each FF have a UOG.

[Crizpy]

Anyone got a link to that?
Could only find the FFVII translated version of the guide.

[PuPu]

play the game again.

I'd rather not live through this nightmare again.

How am I not correct? As she was controlling Edea, she made it apparent that she was trying to destroy the SeeD, and if she had killed the SeeDs in the present, SeeD could not exist in the future.

Ultimecia is not that stupid

Um, yeah she is. All the SeeDs were dead in her time and she already ruled the world in the future. If she had never gone back to the past, Squall and the gang would never have found out about her and she could have still ruled the future and not have been killed.

The majority of people that don't like her as a villain, are people that didn't understand the story.

First of all, I have this to say. Lol, some story. The whole story of FF8 was really focused on Squall and Rinoa and very little of anyone else. And the Orphanage revelation, Lol. But the story isn't what I'm trying to debate about.

Alright, as for Ulti, you never even found out that she was trying to compress time until near the end of Disc 3. I don't even understand how destroying SeeD and compressing time were even related. Also, what was the point of her plan of starting a sorceress war?

And lets see, you know almost nothing about her backstory or why she turned out the way she did unlike other villains. Also, she says almost nothing really good or special. When she was in Edea's body, she said how she hated and wanted to destroy SeeD. And when you meet her in the future, she said said something along the lines of "Stupid SeeDs, I hate you. Now I will compress time and destroy you." Later in the battle in her final form, she says more of "I will compress time and rule the universe," and some more crap as she's dying to throw off Squall and the gang. Killing SeeD and compressing time are all she really talked about; Yawn.

Also, she really didn't have any significance at all except for being some sorceress from the future. Kefka was the right hand man of Gestahl, who is the leader of the Imperial army. The Imperial army had also been doing experiments with Magic/Magitek (which is what one of the main focuses of VI was), which was very related to Terra, who was arguably the main character. Kefka was also fused with Magic/Magitek as well. Sephiroth and Cloud were part of Shinra and had met before in the past, and we find out the backstory between them both. Kuja was created by Garland, like Zidane, and they were "brothers". These villains all had more purpose and meaning to them and more than just being a villain of a game.

And Crystal, if it will make you happy, I'll change my statement to "I don't like Ultimecia" rather than "Ultimecia is a bad villain."

[jammi567]

How am I not correct? As she was controlling Edea, she made it apparent that she was trying to destroy the SeeD, and if she had killed the SeeDs in the present, SeeD could not exist in the future.

Imagine that you were Squall and Co. who have just come back from the future. What are you going to do? You're going to tell the leading people who will actually believe you: Odine, Laguna, maybe even Edea. So they publish books on the subject (you just know that Odine would publish one). So everybody knows that in the future, SeeD's from 'now' will travel to the future, and destroy some sorceress called Ultimecia.

Hundreds of years later, a girl grows up with sorceress powers, and everybody hates her because of the book that was published. She gets angry with this, and decides to call herself Ultimecia. Once done, she decides that she want's to kill all the SeeD's and defy fate. So she does time compression so that they will be stuck in a void of time forever. But Squall and Co. use the compressed time, and well, you know what happens.

[PuPu]

How am I not correct? As she was controlling Edea, she made it apparent that she was trying to destroy the SeeD, and if she had killed the SeeDs in the present, SeeD could not exist in the future.

Imagine that you were Squall and Co. who have just come back from the future. What are you going to do? You're going to tell the leading people who will actually believe you: Odine, Laguna, maybe even Edea. So they publish books on the subject (you just know that Odine would publish one). So everybody knows that in the future, SeeD's from 'now' will travel to the future, and destroy some sorceress called Ultimecia.

Hundreds of years later, a girl grows up with sorceress powers, and everybody hates her because of the book that was published. She gets angry with this, and decides to call herself Ultimecia. Once done, she decides that she want's to kill all the SeeD's and defy fate. So she does time compression so that they will be stuck in a void of time forever. But Squall and Co. use the compressed time, and well, you know what happens.

When was all of this information said in FF8? I never remembered anything that said Ultimecia being some person who was hated in the future because she was a sorceress.

[Goldenboko]

How am I not correct? As she was controlling Edea, she made it apparent that she was trying to destroy the SeeD, and if she had killed the SeeDs in the present, SeeD could not exist in the future.

Imagine that you were Squall and Co. who have just come back from the future. What are you going to do? You're going to tell the leading people who will actually believe you: Odine, Laguna, maybe even Edea. So they publish books on the subject (you just know that Odine would publish one). So everybody knows that in the future, SeeD's from 'now' will travel to the future, and destroy some sorceress called Ultimecia.

Hundreds of years later, a girl grows up with sorceress powers, and everybody hates her because of the book that was published. She gets angry with this, and decides to call herself Ultimecia. Once done, she decides that she want's to kill all the SeeD's and defy fate. So she does time compression so that they will be stuck in a void of time forever. But Squall and Co. use the compressed time, and well, you know what happens.

When was all of this information said in FF8? I never remembered anything that said Ultimecia being some person who was hated in the future because she was a sorceress.

Perhaps you don't remember this from the game because you know... it wasn't in the game.

[Jessweeee♪]

Um, yeah she is. All the SeeDs were dead in her time and she already ruled the world in the future. If she had never gone back to the past, Squall and the gang would never have found out about her and she could have still ruled the future and not have been killed.

That's not true. She had to go to the past to get Ellone, so she could compress time and rule the world. If she doesn't do that, then she doesn't rule everything, just her own era. Rulling her own era wasn't enough for her. Defeating Squall was just another little errand she had to run while possessing Edea.

And that's all I'm going to say here.