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Thread: Did Squaresoft ever say anything about the R=U theory?

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    Translation: "Just ignore the official word of SE. I'm right and they are wrong.
    Seriously guys, please, ignore the Scan created by SE to explain Ultimecia's power. If we don't ignore it, that means she is more powerful than my loveable Kuja. And as a big fanboy, i cannot accept it."
    More like "please guys. Don't listen to the person using a quote that contradicts what ULTIMECIA HERSELF says."

    And I don't believe your scan. NO ONE is saying it except you. I challenge someone to confirm what you say. Go to the final boss with Ultimecia and scan her final form and see if it says that. I KNOW I scanned her and I don't remember that at all.


    In the end of the game, TC was happening, but it wasn't finished yet. This is why SeeD was capable of going through it, and leaving it in Ultimecia's future(like Odine explained). TC wasn't happening in Ultimecia's time, yet. But during the final battle, Ultimecia's time begun to suffer it's consequences, and then she begun to absorb time and space to inside herself(in her final form). She was practicaly compressing time inside herself.
    This is probably why she would be the only one to exist in a Time Compressed world. Because a Time Compressed world would be the result of TC, the end of it. All time would be compressed... Inside herself. She would be the only one to "exist"(actualy, she would be existence itself).
    Nope. Doesn't work. Time Compression mixes together the past, present and future. If Time Compression hadn't even reached her world yet, it definitely didn't reach the future.

    And specifically
    But during the final battle, Ultimecia's time begun to suffer it's consequences, and then she begun to absorb time and space
    Prove that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forsaken Lover View Post
    More like "please guys. Don't listen to the person using a quote that contradicts what ULTIMECIA HERSELF says.
    I don't remember of contradicting anything. Can you show me this "contradiction"?

    And I don't believe your scan. NO ONE is saying it except you. I challenge someone to confirm what you say.
    Quote Originally Posted by TyphoonThaReapa in the other thread
    Edit: Actually, she's absorbing existence during the last fight. When Squall and the other was traveling through time compression, She wasn't absorbing existence...And yes it did say that when you scanned her...
    Go to the final boss with Ultimecia and scan her final form and see if it says that. I KNOW I scanned her and I don't remember that at all.
    Maybe because you scanned the lower body? Like i said before, you have to scan the upper body.

    Nope. Doesn't work. Time Compression mixes together the past, present and future. If Time Compression hadn't even reached her world yet, it definitely didn't reach the future.
    Sorry, but i don't understand what you mean. "Her world" is the future. It's where/when she live. TC reached her future ONLY in the final battle.

    Prove that.
    In Ultimecia's time, SeeD were out of TC(like Odine explained). But in the final battle, things begun to go crazy. The place where you fight Greiver, is not Ulti's throne room, and the end battle is in space. That was TC happening(like when you fight against the sorceresses of diferent times, in many diferent places).
    And if you scan Ulti's upper body, you discover she is absorbing all existence.

    Some sites that prove she was absorbing existence:

    Go to the letter U:

    The FF8 Enemy Scan Guide v0.16 - By Justin Butler

    Go to the end of the page:

    chaos2 - FF - Quotes File - Final_Fantasy_8

    Go to the letter U:

    Guides: Final Fantasy VIII

    Exist many other sites like that, but i will not search for all of them.
    If you still don't believe the scan exist, then play the damn game and see for yourself.

    Ultimecia's reason is unknown, but her objective was absorb the universe and become existence itself(God). Something that she was doing in the end.

    Sorry, but Kuja is a joke compared to her.
    Last edited by The Crystal; 05-28-2007 at 04:20 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crizpy View Post
    I think it makes perfect sense.
    Theres a lot of things in the game that is hinting towards the theory beeing true.

    Besides, we're never given a reason to why it is that Ulti wanna compress time.
    Just for the hell of it? Seems pretty weak.
    one of the flaws in FFVIII.
    R=U was true i think the story would have been worse. ellone=ultimecia makes a million times more sense to me but whatever.
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    That's debatable

    The truth is... Jenova is Ultimecia.
    Yep, FFVII's 'background villain' is actually Ultimecia.
    There is IRREFUTABLE PROOF in both games.

    Jenova can survive travel through space. Thus, Jenova could get from one world to another. If the worlds of FFVII and FFVIII are in fact the same world, then this is fine too - Jenova can survive for millennia, buried in solid rock.

    "But Jenova was destroyed!" you all cry. Actually, Jenova's body has the ability to re-form when it's dismembered - even when it's apparently dead.

    Both Jenova and Ultimecia are female, and both want to attain God-like power and rule over an entire world.

    Jenova has the power to change her form. Ultimecia transforms, as well. Jenova can alter her appearance, gaining the appearance and voice of other people. Jenova and Ultimecia look nothing alike, which proves that they are one and the same, just using different forms.

    This is utterly, completely, irrefutably, incontrovertibly, undoubtedly, undeniably, undisputably, indubitablly, unquestionably true.
    Coz I sez so.

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    I don't remember of contradicting anything. Can you show me this "contradiction"?
    Ultimecia is absorbing existence is what YOU are saying.

    Ultimecia is compressing time is what EVERYTHING, including Ultimecia, say.

    Maybe because you scanned the lower body? Like i said before, you have to scan the upper body.
    I am asking more trustworthy sources on this matter.

    Sorry, but i don't understand what you mean. "Her world" is the future. It's where/when she live. TC reached her future ONLY in the final battle.
    Not said anywhere.

    And she is only one future. Unless it says somewhere that the world ends with her, there is a future beyond her she would have to compress.

    In Ultimecia's time, SeeD were out of TC(like Odine explained). But in the final battle, things begun to go crazy. The place where you fight Greiver, is not Ulti's throne room, and the end battle is in space. That was TC happening(like when you fight against the sorceresses of diferent times, in many diferent places).
    The battle with the Sorceresses took you through time. You’re supposed to enter Time Compressiona dn each fight moves you forward to Ultimecia’s world.

    The fight with Ultimecia just appeared to be her transporting you around to various locations.

    And the final battle is NOT in space. Squall and the others can’t breathe or move there. It’s a big, black void to represent what Ultimecia is doing; ie. Compressing time till nothing remains except her.

    Ultimecia's reason is unknown, but her objective was absorb the universe and become existence itself(God). Something that she was doing in the end.
    Maybe you can’t read.

    We KNOW what she was doing because SHE SAID IT HERSELF.

    Ultimecia: TIME SHALL COMPRESS....

    You’re such a tool.

    Sorry, but Kuja is a joke compared to her.
    Tell me when Ultimecia survives a shot from Bahamut or destroys a planet. Or kills the entire party with one attack and then brings them back.

    As for now, all she did was get tooled by Squall and his mates.

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    LOL
    Forsaken Lover, you are amazing! You ignored all the links i presented, all evidences i showed, just to say that KUJA IS THE MOST POWERFUL EVERRR!!!!111ONEone.

    She wanted to compress time inside of her body! This is why she said "Time shall compress" and begun to absorb it! This is what the game show us, with what she said(time shall compress), with what the Scan said(absorbing all existence), and with what the characters said(only Ultimecia would exist in the TC world[after TC is finished]).

    If you want to ignore EVIDENCE PRESENTED IN THE GAME(SCAN) and continue with your retarded fanboyism, so be it.

    The Scan is there to anyone playing the game. It's official and it's a fact. Your opinion will not change that.

    Hell, i don't even know why i waste my time with a fanboy like you.

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    I don't know why I waste my time with a moron like you either.

    It is not said anywhere Ultimecia is compressing time in her body. NO WHERE.

    Stop putting your assumptions into things.

    If yAou want to contradict the PLOT, feel free. I don't care.

    I mean who in their right mind will side with you? You argue the final battle is in SPACE, for crying out loud. You're a joke.

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    this is some heavy stuff in here!

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    Well, thank you.

    SDid you get that off your game?

    But we never see her absorb anything. Nor does she say she is absorbing anything. So...I'm left to conclude she never even came close to absorbing existence. i mean "as we speak" during a battle is pretty vague. That fight varies in length depending on the gamer and we see no account of what she "absorbed" before or after the battle.

    It's pure contradictory, unsuppported hyperbole.

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    We dun see Squall pee or eat or poo poo, I guess he never does that too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christmas View Post
    We dun see Squall pee or eat or poo poo, I guess he never does that too.

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    We dun see Squall pee or eat or poo poo, I guess he never does that too.
    The primary difference being those are necessary biological functions for human beings. Squall has to do them because pure logic demands it.

    We never see Ultimecia absorbing anything. Some statements on matters such as these, when not shown, can be declared hyperbole. For instance, that quote says "all existence" - while another scan specifies "the world." So, we have contradiction. Actually witnessing her absorbing anything would help clarify clashing statements.

    The fact is, when you are determining what a fictional character can do, you need more than just quotes. You need to see them in action or else it can be contested. I contest Ultimecia can't absorb existence because she never did. She never managed to absorb the party and we never se eher absorbing any sort of thing whatsoever. So why assume she is? Nothing but that statement says she is. And when the quote specifies "as we speak" during a battle, it makes things even more iffy. I mean, I could leave my game on in that fight for HOURS and nothing visibly would change.

    The wholt hing is an absolute mess to try and reason.

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    Yes, able to survive bullet shots countless time with numbers popping out instead of blood is logic enough.

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