When did you hear in the story that Ultimecia cared about the fact that she would exist in nothingness? A'yo, if she absorbs ALL OF EXISTENCE, what do you think happens? SHE BECOMES EXISTENCE!!! Which means everything will be her and she would be everything. COMPLETE CONTROL OF EVERYTHING!!!! Do you get it now?:rolleyes2
Ultimecia was ABSORBING all existence. She was GAINING POWER of the universe itself. After absorbing everything she would be GOD.Originally Posted by Elpizo
And the logic is very simple on that:
All existence >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a single planet.
So...
Destroying/absorbing existence >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> destroying a planet
And what that tell us?
Ultimecia and Ex-Death's power >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kuja and Kefka's power.
Doesn't matter how much you love Kefka and Kuja, they are weaker than Ultimecia and Ex-Death.
Since no one ever says universe and in fact all dialogue and mentioning of what happens only refer to worldly effects, I'm not gonna ASSume it was universal. There's NOTHING to back that up. At all.
About as canon and real as Seph's "Super Nova."Plot Protection does apply to FF8. Frankly, I'm surprise Squall and he's team was ability to make it to her final form. In her Ultimecia + Gravier form (Third Form), Her best attack was moving THREE PLANETS AND A ASTEROID!!!!! If that's not the most powerful thing in the entire series yet, then I suggest you guys play the entire series again...
Kuja = destroyed a planet in short order.
Ultamecia = mixed together the past, present and future of a world (only scope ever mentioned specifically) and still failed even thanks to her Plot Device Elione helping.
As stated NUMEROUS times, she was mixing together the past, preset and future of the world. And she was still beaten by some kids. You say I'm ignoring things? You're rationalizing them beating her. They beat her. End of story.Ultimecia was ABSORBING all existence. She was GAINING POWER of the universe itself. After absorbing everything she would be GOD.
And your line CONTRADICTS every bit of dialogue.
Since they only ever mention the world, that's all it did.And the logic is very simple on that:
All existence >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a single planet.
Not really.Ultimecia and Ex-Death's power >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kuja and Kefka's power.
Ultamecia <<<<<<<< Kuja and Kefka for compressing time on a planet.
Since Ultimecia can't absorb people instantly as shown, Kuja blows her to Hell with an Ultima.Doesn't matter how much you love Kefka and Kuja, they are weaker than Ultimecia and Ex-Death.
Last edited by Forsaken Lover; 05-24-2007 at 10:30 PM.
I think you are jealous that Kuja is weaker than Ultimecia. Don't get me wrong though. I my be a big FF8 fan, but Ultimecia is NOT my favorite villain. BUT, her power is undeniable. Did I forget to mention the fact that Ultimecia absorbs a fainted party member in battle? YouTube - Final Fantasy VIII - Final Boss, Low Level, Part 2/2
Truth that.About as canon and real as Seph's "Super Nova."
Ultimecia = was absorbing all existence.Kuja = destroyed a planet in short order.
And again:
And the logic is very simple on that:
All existence >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a single planet.
So...
Destroying/absorbing existence >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> destroying a planet
And what that tell us?
Ultimecia and Ex-Death's power >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kuja and Kefka's power.
Squall: Time Compression. It's time magic. Past, present, and future get compressed. What's going to happen to the world? Why do something like that?
Rinoa: Ultimecia, a sorceress
from the future. She's trying to achieve time compression. She's the only one who would be able to exist in such a world.
Also look at what Odine says
“ Rinoa will come back to this world. Ultimecia also goes back to her own world.”
So world could also equal timeline.
Anyway, look at what Odine says
“Vat would be left is ze time compressed world.
Past, present future will all get mixed together. You will keep moving through ze time compression toward ze future. Once you're out of ze
time compression, zat will be Ultimecia's world. It's all up to you after zat.”
Since Ultimecia is not absorbing jack and is only cramming timelines on a planet together, they can easily move through time compression to the future. They aren’t absorbed. No one is.
From what I remember it just says something like "absorbed in time..." Correct?I think you are jealous that Kuja is weaker than Ultimecia. Don't get me wrong though. I my be a big FF8 fan, but Ultimecia is NOT my favorite villain. BUT, her power is undeniable. Did I forget to mention the fact that Ultimecia absorbs a fainted party member in battle? YouTube - Final Fantasy VIII - Final Boss, Low Level, Part 2/2
Frankly, Ultimecia's Power is amazing. Think about it. SquareEnix exaggerated big time with Time Compression. You see, every single micro second in time itself hold a different part existence including everything which exist. Which means, between the past, present, and future there is a infinite amount of everything. Combining all of that would be suicidal due to the infinite amount of mass all in one. When Ultimecia accomplished Time Compression, she and everything else should have been obliterated...or maybe I'm just thinking too out of the box...:rolleyes2
Edit: Actually, she's absorbing existence during the last fight. When Squall and the other was traveling through time compression, She wasn't absorbing existence...And yes it did say that when you scanned her...
They are talking about Time Compression. I'm talking about Ultimecia in her final form.
And time and space are everywhere, not just the planet. Hell, in her final form, you fight in space(not the planet) and you can see the stars being absorbed by her.
Originally Bespoken by Using Scan in the upper body of her final form:All existence. Not the planet, not the world, but the entire existence, the entire universe.
Ultimecia, transformed to absorb all time and space. Absorbing all existence as we speak.
All Ultimecia is trying to do is achieve Time Compression. She, nor anyone else mentions anything about absorbing anything. Explain that scan and how it contradicts THE ENTIRE PLOT.
And you're not actually fighting in space. It's like the fight with Sephiroth. You're being being transported around to various locations but all we can tell is that they are simply nifty backdrops for the battles. Unless you can prove they're actually there? I didn't know Squall could breathe in space.............................
And Kuja blows Ultimecia to pieces with one Ultima because she can't absorb anything unless it's KO'ed. Plus she has no accounts of her durability. So one Ultima should do it.
The simple fact is that Ultimecia never becomes a God-like figure. In the end, she never succeeded at all, apart from Time Compression - which wasnt as devastating as destroying a planet.
Dont talk about what would have happened. Talk about what did happen. In those terms, Kefka and Kuja were more destructive.
I think. But Im no expert.
During the entire plot, they were talking about Time Compression. That Scan was talking about Ultimecia's power. TC and Ultimecia aren't the same thing.
They weren't being transported around to various locations, what the hell are you talking about? We can see the stars, and Ultimecia absorbing them. They are in space. many FF final bosses are in space, this is nothing new.And you're not actually fighting in space. It's like the fight with Sephiroth. You're being being transported around to various locations but all we can tell is that they are simply nifty backdrops for the battles. Unless you can prove they're actually there? I didn't know Squall could breathe in space.............................
Your word against the word of Square-Enix.And Kuja blows Ultimecia to pieces with one Ultima because she can't absorb anything unless it's KO'ed. Plus she has no accounts of her durability. So one Ultima should do it.
I think they mean when you're travelling to her time period, when you have to fight all those witches.They weren't being transported around to various locations, what the hell are you talking about? We can see the stars, and Ultimecia absorbing them. They are in space. many FF final bosses are in space, this is nothing new.And you're not actually fighting in space. It's like the fight with Sephiroth. You're being being transported around to various locations but all we can tell is that they are simply nifty backdrops for the battles. Unless you can prove they're actually there? I didn't know Squall could breathe in space.............................
Please feel free to read my take on the official novalisation of Dissidia Final Fantasy at this link:
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5580755/..._You_Fight_For
Whatever the case, that has nothing to do with Ultimecia's power (Absorbing Existence.) Tell me what better. Destroying a world or two, or controlling everything in existence. It matters not what they accomplished. What Their capable of is what this thread is about.
Uh, yeah they were.They weren't being transported around to various locations, what the hell are you talking about? We can see the stars, and Ultimecia absorbing them. They are in space. many FF final bosses are in space, this is nothing new.
Fight starts off with her in her castle. Does the fight with Griever and then her final form look like the same place?
They were moved around.
That’s a funny thing too. She just summons Griever, he pops up and the backdrop changes.
But she’s NOT absorbing existence. That is NEVER mentioned. Not by her. Not by ANYONE.During the entire plot, they were talking about Time Compression. That Scan was talking about Ultimecia's power. TC and Ultimecia aren't the same thing.
She wants time Compression. Not to absorb existence. It contradicts EVERYTHING in the game including what Ultimecia HERSELF says.
Not really.Your word against the word of Square-Enix.
*looks at the fight*
OH LOOK!!!
They only get absorbed WHEN THEY’RE KO’ED!
Not anything else is absorbed.
So, Kuja blows her to Hell.
This is such a ridiculous argument. You're using a quote thats in the face of everything in the game.
To make it clear Kuja is more powerful than Seph, it's necessary to show just how pathetic Sephirothw ould be even if he had completed his goals.
If he had, he would have been the "god" of the Planet. He would control it.
Ya know what Kuja can do? Destroy planets!
So, goodbye "god" Sephiroth.
So, even if he did manage to achieve his ends, he'd STIL die to Kuja.
Last edited by Forsaken Lover; 05-25-2007 at 12:40 AM.
Why is no one mentioning Vayne,Seymour, or Zeromus?
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