Final Fantasy Villains - Most Powerful

[Lynx]

i keep seeing all this talk of time compression. ultimecias power to end everything right?

well whose to say that other FF villains couldnt do this.

kefka reached god form im sure he could wipe out exhistance if he wnated to but why do that he probably figured?

jenova wanted to be a god and if she reached that point whose to say she wouldnt have that power?

necron probably did have the power but didnt use it.

lets face it most ff villains are jsut as powerful as the rest.

[The Crystal]

I just thought it was important to post this:

The Scan created by SE, to give us precise information about all enemies in the game. Not the word/quote of a character in the game, but the official word of SE themselfes. It's not wrong and it's a fact.

But if you believe that, destroying a planet >>>>>>>>> absorbing all existence, you are a complete idiot, and i feel sad for you.

[Bolivar]

Who cares about Time Compression. Garland was chosen by the Four Fiends to be Chaos, the force of darkness itself. He already had control of time, sending the Four Fiends into the future to bring darkness to the world. The only thing that could stop him was the Light itself.

SeeD's just some damn kids.

[f f freak]

But if you believe that, destroying a planet >>>>>>>>> absorbing all existence, you are a complete idiot, and i feel sad for you.

Actually Ultimecia never absorbed all of existence. She was ABSORBING all of existence. She was too stupid to start absorbing at the start of battle. Then she would probably be too stupid to start asorbing all of existence at the start of battle with the other villians so they could kill her off quickly.

Also I would just like to state the numerous times throughout other games (Not just FF's) Love is supposedly the strongest force in the world. Most villians are all about the HATE!!!!!!!!! However there is one FF villian who isn't. Yes I am talking about Sephiroth. He loves Jenova very much and with all that LOVE he must be the strongest person in the world.

[The Crystal]

Actually Ultimecia never absorbed all of existence. She was ABSORBING all of existence. She was too stupid to start absorbing at the start of battle. Then she would probably be too stupid to start asorbing all of existence at the start of battle with the other villians so they could kill her off quickly.

Did you read what i said(or what the Scan said)? She was ABSORBING existence. I NEVER said she absorbed all of it. Learn to read.

And like Odine stated in the game, her future was OUTSIDE of TC in that moment. This is why she couldn't absorb time and space until the final battle.

Also I would just like to state the numerous times throughout other games (Not just FF's) Love is supposedly the strongest force in the world. Most villians are all about the HATE!!!!!!!!! However there is one FF villian who isn't. Yes I am talking about Sephiroth. He loves Jenova very much and with all that LOVE he must be the strongest person in the world.

Good joke dude.

[Forsaken Lover]

Did you read what i said(or what the Scan said)? She was ABSORBING existence. I NEVER said she absorbed all of it. Learn to read.

And like Odine stated in the game, her future was OUTSIDE of TC in that moment. This is why she couldn't absorb time and space until the final battle.

Prove it. Show me the quote saying Time Compression started in the final battle. All I saw, just like in FFVII, was the main boss transforming and then we are moved to new locations. I saw no evidence at all of Time Compression.

Finally, she can't absorb individuals as proven by the party. They must be KO'ed before she can absorb them. If you want to argue otherwise, show me an instance when she absorbed anyone instantly. Never? Then thanks. She has to KO them, AS PROVEN in the battle, before she can absorb them.

By then, Kuja will have obliterated her with an Ultima.Unless you can offer up any durability feats? Name some damage she took and survived.

[Elpizo]

"Ultimecia is the most powerful villain in FF ever, because she's absorbing all time and existence."

Yeah well, if we cast plot-protection on the villains and have em battle her one on one, she would still get beaten by numerous villains.

"Ultimecia is the most powerful villain in FF ever, because she's absorbing all time and existence."

But, being the most powerful would mean being able to defeat and kill all villains. Like I said, if we cast plot protection on other villains, Ultimecia wouldn't always win. She lacks the power to do so.

"Ultimecia is the most powerful villain in FF ever, because she's absorbing all time and existence."

But...

"Ultimecia is the most powerful villain in FF ever, because she's absorbing all time and existence."

There, I summed up the entire discussion with The Crystal in one post. There, Ultimecia is the most powerful ever, because she's absorbing all time and existence. If the villains would be immune to her absorbing, she would still be the most powerful villain because she absorbs time and existence and thus would kill all those other villains with ease without using her cheap 'let's absorb!'. Of course, this won't happen at all, but she's still the most powerful because she's absoring all time and existance.

[The Crystal]

Why you guys are talking about SeeD? SeeD =/= Ultimecia.

And Forsaken Lover, "she can't absorb individuals"? So, she can absorb existence itself, but cannot absorb some pathetic humans? This is ridiculous and don't make any sense.
And even if this is true, after absorbing one planet or one star, she would have power enough to obliterate all of them(SeeD and Kuja) with easy.

Anyone with a brain know that: The power to absorb time and space >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the power to destroy some towers/buildings in Terra(the "destroyed a planet" thing, was hyperbole). Ultimecia would use this power to kill Kuja.

[Forsaken Lover]

And Forsaken Lover, "she can't absorb individuals"?

Nope. As seen in the fight with her.

So, she can absorb existence itself, but cannot absorb some pathetic humans?

That’s the way the game makers made it, yes. Your logic <<< what is shown in the game.

This is ridiculous and don't make any sense.

It’s a videogame about time gunswords, evil hags from the future and big rocks that make monsters on the moon fall down.

...it’s supposed to make sense?

And even if this is true, after absorbing one planet or one star

I never saw any planets or stars being absorbed and no one said she did. That’s because she’s absorbing it all as we speak...but we don’t see any of it. You think you’d see planets flying into her. Not to mention I could speak to her for an infinite length, keeping my game on for potentially days upon months and she wouldn’t have absorbed anything as far as we can tell.

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she would have power enough to obliterate all of them(SeeD and Kuja) with easy.

That would be why SeeD kicked he rass and so would Kuja because he easily destroys planets and the party (something Ultimecia can’t do).

Anyone with a brain know that: The power to absorb time and space >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the power to destroy some towers/buildings in Terra(the "destroyed a planet" thing, was hyperbole). Ultimecia would use this power to kill Kuja.

Actually, it's fact. Unlike you and your idiotic quote, Kuja's destroying Terra is said multiple times and not contradicted by Square itself. The scan you use is flatly proven wrong by the other scan I posted.

[jammi567]

As i posted on the other thread about this pathetic issue, i really don't want to get involved. However, before this gets locked, i just want to post what the definition of 'world' means, according to Dictonary.com:

world /wɜrld/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[wurld] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation –noun

1.	the earth or globe, considered as a planet.

2.	(often initial capital letter) a particular division of the earth: the Western world.

3.	the earth or a part of it, with its inhabitants, affairs, etc., during a particular period: the ancient world.

4.	humankind; the human race; humanity: The world must eliminate war and poverty.

5.	the public generally: The whole world knows it.

6.	the class of persons devoted to the affairs, interests, or pursuits of this life: The world worships success.

7.	a particular class of people, with common interests, aims, etc.: the fashionable world.

8.	any sphere, realm, or domain, with all pertaining to it: a child's world; the world of dreams; the insect world.

9.	everything that exists; the universe; the macrocosm.

10.	any complex whole conceived as resembling the universe: the world of the microcosm.

11.	one of the three general groupings of physical nature: animal world; mineral world; vegetable world.

12.	any period, state, or sphere of existence: this world; the world to come.

13.	Often, worlds. a great deal: That vacation was worlds of fun.

14.	any indefinitely great expanse.

15.	any heavenly body: the starry worlds.

—Idioms

16.	bring into the world, a. to give birth to; bear: My grandmother brought nine children into the world. b. to deliver (a baby): the doctor brought many children into the world.

17.	come into the world, to be born: Her first child came into the world in June.

18.	for all the world, a. for any consideration, however great: She wouldn't come to visit us for all the world. b. in every respect; precisely: You look for all the world like my Aunt Mary.

19.	in the world, a. at all; ever: I never in the world would have believed such an obvious lie. b. from among all possibilities: Where in the world did you find that hat?

20.	on top of the world. top^1 (def. 46).

21.	out of this or the world, exceptional; fine: The chef prepared a roast duck that was out of this world.

22.	set the world on fire, to achieve great fame and success: He didn't seem to be the type to set the world on fire.

23.	think the world of, to like or admire greatly: His coworkers think the world of him.

24.	world without end, for all eternity; for always.

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[Origin: bef. 900; ME; OE world, weorold; c. D wereld, G Welt, ON verǫld, all < Gmc *wer-ald- lit., age of man]

—Synonyms 1. See earth.

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world (wûrld) Pronunciation Key n. The earth. The universe. The earth with its inhabitants. The inhabitants of the earth; the human race. Humankind considered as social beings; human society: turned her back on the world. People as a whole; the public: The event amazed the world. A sphere of human activity or interest: the world of sports. A class or group of people with common characteristics or pursuits: the scientific world. Human existence; life: brought a child into the world. A state of existence: the next world. often World A specified part of the earth: the Western World. A part of the earth and its inhabitants as known at a given period in history: the ancient world. A realm or domain: the animal world; the world of imagination. A sphere of human activity or interest: the world of sports. A class or group of people with common characteristics or pursuits: the scientific world. Human existence; life: brought a child into the world. A state of existence: the next world. A particular way of life: the world of the homeless. All that relates to or affects the life of a person: He saw his world collapse about him. Secular life and its concerns: a man of the world. Human existence; life: brought a child into the world. A state of existence: the next world. A large amount; much. Often used in the plural: did her a world of good; candidates that are worlds apart on foreign policy. A celestial body such as a planet: the possibility of life on other worlds. adj. Of or relating to the world: a world champion. Involving or extending throughout the entire world: a world crisis. [Middle English, from Old English <TT>weorold</TT>; see <TT>wī-ro-</TT> in Indo-European roots.]

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<CITE>Online Etymology Dictionary</CITE> - Cite This Source
world

O.E. woruld, worold "human existence, the affairs of life," also "the human race, mankind," a word peculiar to Gmc. languages (cf. O.S. werold, O.Fris. warld, Du. wereld, O.N. verold, O.H.G. weralt, Ger. Welt), with a literal sense of "age of man," from P.Gmc. *wer "man" (O.E. wer, still in werewolf; see virile) + *ald "age" (see old). Originally "life on earth, this world (as opposed to the afterlife)," sense extended to "the known world" (e.g. "Greatest Show on Earth"), then to "the physical world in the broadest sense, the universe" (c.1200). In O.E. gospels, the commonest word for "the physical world," was Middangeard (O.N. Midgard), lit. "the middle enclosure" (cf. yard), which is rooted in Gmc. cosmology. Gk. kosmos in its ecclesiastical sense of "world of people" sometimes was rendered in Goth. as manaseþs, lit. "seed of man." The usual O.N. word was heimr, lit. "abode" (see home). Words for "world" in some other I.E. languages derive from the root for "bottom, foundation" (cf. Ir. domun, O.C.S. duno, related to Eng. deep); the Lith. word is pasaulis, from pa- "under" + saule "sun." Original sense in world without end, translating L. sæcula sæculorum, and in worldly. L. sæculum can mean both "age" and "world," as can Gk. aion. Worldwide is from 1632. World power in the geopolitical sense first recorded 1900. World-class is attested from 1950, originally of Olympic athletes.

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<CITE>WordNet</CITE> - Cite This Source

world
adjective
1.	involving the entire earth; not limited or provincial in scope; "global war"; "global monetary policy"; "neither national nor continental but planetary"; "a world crisis"; "of worldwide significance" [syn: global]
noun
1.	everything that exists anywhere; "they study the evolution of the universe"; "the biggest tree in existence" [syn: universe]
2.	people in general; especially a distinctive group of people with some shared interest; "the Western world"
3.	all of your experiences that determine how things appear to you; "his world was shattered"; "we live in different worlds"; "for them demons were as much a part of reality as trees were"
4.	the 3rd planet from the sun; the planet we live on; "the Earth moves around the sun"; "he sailed around the world" [syn: Earth]
5.	people in general considered as a whole; "he is a hero in the eyes of the public" [syn: populace]
6.	a part of the earth that can be considered separately; "the outdoor world"; "the world of insects"
7.	the concerns of this life as distinguished from heaven and the afterlife; "they consider the church to be independent of the world" [syn: worldly concern]
8.	all of the living human inhabitants of the earth; "all the world loves a lover"; "she always used 'humankind' because 'mankind' seemed to slight the women"

[The Crystal]

Nope. As seen in the fight with her.

That’s the way the game makers made it, yes. Your logic <<< what is shown in the game.

It’s a videogame about time gunswords, evil hags from the future and big rocks that make monsters on the moon fall down.

...it’s supposed to make sense?

Okay, it doesn't make any sense, but this is the way the creators made the game.

I never saw any planets or stars being absorbed and no one said she did. That’s because she’s absorbing it all as we speak...but we don’t see any of it. You think you’d see planets flying into her.

You don't need to see anything. If the creators say she can do it, is because she can. This is why she would be the only one to exist, because she would absorb everything. Like you can see, that Scan exist to explain to us, why she would be the only one to exist in TC. Everything is explained in the game without contradictions. You just have to understand the story.

Not to mention I could speak to her for an infinite length, keeping my game on for potentially days upon months and she wouldn’t have absorbed anything as far as we can tell.

And i could keep my FFVII game on for days or months, and Meteor would never hit the planet.

That would be why SeeD kicked her ass

We aren't talking about SeeD here, they aren't important. And Cloud kicked the ass of Sephiroth, that means Cloud can transform the entire planet in a "space ship" to travel the universe? The Returners killed Kefka, that means they can destroy the surface of the planet and destroy cities with the Light of Judgement?
We have many cases in RPGs where the heroes defeat enemies MUCH more powerful than them. The fact that SeeD defeated her, don't prove anything about her power level.

and so would Kuja because he easily destroys planets and the party (something Ultimecia can’t do).

No he don't. He destroyed some towers, that's all.

Actually, it's fact. Unlike you and your idiotic quote, Kuja's destroying Terra is said multiple times and not contradicted by Square itself. The scan you use is flatly proven wrong by the other scan I posted.

The world is part of existence. In the moment that she absorb existence, the world would change forever. See? No contradiction. And even if it contradicted something, it would still be a fact. Everything SE says about FF is a fact, and they said "Ultimecia, transformed to absorb all time and space. Absorbing all existence as we speak.". They didn't say "Ultimecia, transformed to absorb all time and space. Absorbing all the world as we speak.". You are wrong. Deal with it.

And Kuja never showed the power to destroy a planet. The only thing we have to "prove" that, are quotes from one or two characters that DIDN'T KNOW what happened in Terra, because they were runing away. They didn't saw Kuja "destroying" it. They ASSUMED he did that.
We don't have any prove he could do it. It's hyperbole.

[Zeromus_X]

There are times when the phrase "it's just a game" needs to be said. This would be one of those times.