Final Fantasy Villains - Most Powerful

[NeoCracker]

I'd like to point out she was, "absorbing existance," but hadn't done it yet. This is evident because the game managed to continue. If she absorbed all existance then guess what? The characters would go poof, gone, obviously they didn't. Now I don't want to hear, Plot Protection, because Final Fantasy gives so many reasons why they could win in most of their games.

(Examples)
IV: Power of the Crystal Weakens Zeromus
VI: Never pointed out, but you could assume it was through the power of the Crystals.
VII: This is one of the games where you just have to say it was just the character's strength, they could do in AC, they could do it in VII xp.
IX: They can't beat Kuja.

I understand the fact that everyone here has an opinion here. And arguing is indeed childish. BUT, what would a thread like this be without a good argument...:rolleyes2

Now then, I believe there's two people here that are obviously in denial. What do you guys mean give evidence? WE HAVE EVIDENCE!!! The scan said she transformed to her final form to absorb all of existence. SquareEnix knew what they were doing when they put that. And it doesn't matter whether she did it or not. What REALLY matter is the fact that she HAS THE POWER TO DO SO. Can Yu-Yevon absorb existence? Can Sephroth? Can Kefka? Can Kuja? Can Vaine? Can any other villain in the entire series besides Ultimecia herself absorb what has, is, and have ever exist and control it? I have no more to say...:rolleyes2

No, no other can. However look at the glaring weakness of her ability. It reminds me of Sephiroths meteor. That being, there is a period of time there where they can be defeated, and in that time period if they are defeated, their power is thus defeated. The only hope of proving Ultimecia is strongest is to prove that she cannot be defeated in the period of time it takes before her power takes full effect, otherwise this "Ultimately powerful Power" is rather worthless.

Ah, the voice of reasons speaks

VI wasn't the Crystals. It is very safe to assume that together, the 13 of them had gained enough power to defeat Kefka on their own Merits.

IX, they did in fact beat Kuja, however it was only due to the fact they were in the Vacinity of the Crystal. Until they beat him, he didn't want to use Ultima to avoid destroying the Crystal. However with his defeat, he decided to drag everyone down.

So they can beat Kuja, its just it requires them being in the particular location the defeated him at. I mean Kuja's plans were thwarted. They may not have been stronger, but they did in fact beat him.

[Bunny]

That Emperor Palamecia was pretty nifty guys.

[Forsaken Lover]

What happened after the fight with Trance Kuja is all a mystery. How he got to the Iifa Tree, what exactly happened to the party when he Ultima's them, what Necron was... it's all purely theoretical. In any case, Kuja was capable of defeating the party in one stroke when he finally wanted to. I'm of the mind he was fairly insane and totall clouded by his fears at this point and wasn't thinking straight hence why it took to the brink of defeat before he used Ultima.

In any case, I never got how some people thought he broke the Crystal with that attack. It was directed at the party. The crystal was behind IIRC.

[The Crystal]

You don't want to use "Plot Protection" to explain what happened? Fine. Lets say that SeeD were more powerful than her. That make them more powerful than a being that was "eating" the entire universe. That means they are damm powerful. Much more than Kuja, or Kefka, the other villains(with exception of Ex-Death) or heros of the other games.

Some people here, try to use the argument "she was defeated by SeeD" to prove she was weak. But this argument doesn't work. She was absorbing all existence and gaining power from it, proving that she was much more powerful than the heros(because they cannot do something so impressive like that). But if she was much more powerful than them, why she lost? Exist only two logical explanations. Or she did something wrong(didn't kill them when she could, for some reason), or SeeD gained a great power boost and beated her. In one way or another, she still was absorbing the entire universe. She still was doing something more impressive(and that required more power) than any other FF villain ever did.

And that scan don't contradict anything stated in the game.

All this discussion is ridiculous, really. I could ask to a child of 10 years old(maybe less) "Who is more powerful, a guy that can destroy a planet, or a guy that can destroy/absorb the universe?" and her/his answer would make more sense than yours.

[Vivisteiner]

Proof.

Prove that Ultimecia can absorb the Universe, because quite frankly, at the moment Im thinking that you're talking crap. Ill take that back if you prove it.

We have proof over what Kuja and Kefka can do, but show me the scan, or a quote or something like that. Stop repeating the same arguments over and over again. When does it state that Ultimecia has the ability to absorb the Universe?

[TyphoonThaReapa]

Proof.

Prove that Ultimecia can absorb the Universe, because quite frankly, at the moment Im thinking that you're talking crap. Ill take that back if you prove it.

We have proof over what Kuja and Kefka can do, but show me the scan, or a quote or something like that. Stop repeating the same arguments over and over again. When does it state that Ultimecia has the ability to absorb the Universe?

So you never saw the scan? It said exactly what's being said. Ultimecia transform to absorb ALL OF EXISTENCE AS WE SPEAK. Thats cold hard evidence DIRECTLY from the game. Just having that ability makes her incredibly powerful.

Forsaker, your talking about direct battle experience from the game right? Well, if you think about it, every single FF villain is weak when you get your party on a certain level. Until you give me statistics directly from both games stating Ultimecia's stats is weaker than Kuja or any other villain you wish, this is an irrelevant argument due to the fact that their from different games.

Neocorncracker, I'm not implying Ultimecia can beat any FF villain in combat. I'm saying her power is far more impressive than any other FF villain.

[Forsaken Lover]

All this discussion is ridiculous, really. I could ask to a child of 10 years old(maybe less) "Who is more powerful, a guy that can destroy a planet, or a guy that can destroy/absorb the universe?" and her/his answer would make more sense than yours.

Misinforming children is what terrorists do, FYI.

More like "what is more impressive: a guy who actually destroyed a planet or a person who supposedly could absorb the universe?" And, again, define existence in FFVIII terms. We know already "world" can be defined as an entire timeline. How can you prove all existence doesn't just refer to all the timelines of the planet?

And arguing the final battle is in space makes no sense since uh......................Squall and the others can't breathe or move in space? If anything it's just a big black void to represent what Ultimecia is trying to do: everythign is gone except her.

As for absorbing stars, are you referring to the shiny little lights that vanish into the black? Those don't look anything like stars. They look like Tinkerbell.

Finally, what is it her final and according to you "universe absorbing" form is after?
"Time shall compress...."

AHA! She's STILL compressing time. Time Compression. Mixing together past, present and future. Not ABSORBING existence.

[Elpizo]

having that ability makes her incredibly powerful.

How so? What kind of superpowers does she have that enable her to absorb time that all other villains don't have? Simple: NONE. She just had the plan and the skill. What kind of superpowers does absorbing time and existence give her? As far as we see in the game, again, NONE. Hell's Judgement is pathetic and Apocalypse you can prepare against it.

So how does absorbing existence make Ultimecia the most 'powerful' villain ever? For as far as we see, Ultimecia is still VERY weak in her Final-All-Absoring-Form. If we cast 'plot-protection' on the Final Forms of the other villains so they can fight her without getting absorbed in her just like that without any fight (of course, not the heroes, plot protection huh?), they'll kick her behind. Hard.

All TC and absorbing time and existence seems to give her is immortality. Not power. And that's what this is topic is about. The most 'powerful' FF villain. Ultimecia is not the most powerful. Absorbing time and existence doesn't make her the most powerful, as it seems to give her no powers at all exept the immortality she desires. She wasn't superpowerful so she could absorb existence. Being the most powerful FF villain wasn't required to absorb all of existence. As Ultimecia proves. And absorbing all time and existence doesn't make one the most 'powerful' villain either, as Ultimecia again proves.

[The Crystal]

You saw Kuja's power. He destroyed a world by himself.

Ultimecia transformed to absorb all time and space. Absorbing all existence as we speak.

Like i said before, even a child would know who is more powerful. This entire discussion is pathetic.

The level of fanboyism in this thread is making me sick. I'm done here. Bye.

[Elpizo]

You saw Kuja's power. He destroyed a world by himself.

Ultimecia transformed to absorb all time and space. Absorbing all existence as we speak.

Like i said before, even a child would know who is more powerful. This entire discussion is pathetic.

The level of fanboyism in this thread is making me sick. I'm done here. Bye.

You just can't accept it that absorbing-time-and-existence =/= being the most powerful villain.

[Goldenboko]

I'd like to point out she was, "absorbing existance," but hadn't done it yet. This is evident because the game managed to continue. If she absorbed all existance then guess what? The characters would go poof, gone, obviously they didn't. Now I don't want to hear, Plot Protection, because Final Fantasy gives so many reasons why they could win in most of their games.

(Examples)
IV: Power of the Crystal Weakens Zeromus
VI: Never pointed out, but you could assume it was through the power of the Crystals.
VII: This is one of the games where you just have to say it was just the character's strength, they could do in AC, they could do it in VII xp.
IX: They can't beat Kuja.

I understand the fact that everyone here has an opinion here. And arguing is indeed childish. BUT, what would a thread like this be without a good argument...:rolleyes2

Now then, I believe there's two people here that are obviously in denial. What do you guys mean give evidence? WE HAVE EVIDENCE!!! The scan said she transformed to her final form to absorb all of existence. SquareEnix knew what they were doing when they put that. And it doesn't matter whether she did it or not. What REALLY matter is the fact that she HAS THE POWER TO DO SO. Can Yu-Yevon absorb existence? Can Sephroth? Can Kefka? Can Kuja? Can Vaine? Can any other villain in the entire series besides Ultimecia herself absorb what has, is, and have ever exist and control it? I have no more to say...:rolleyes2

No, no other can. However look at the glaring weakness of her ability. It reminds me of Sephiroths meteor. That being, there is a period of time there where they can be defeated, and in that time period if they are defeated, their power is thus defeated. The only hope of proving Ultimecia is strongest is to prove that she cannot be defeated in the period of time it takes before her power takes full effect, otherwise this "Ultimately powerful Power" is rather worthless.

Ah, the voice of reasons speaks

VI wasn't the Crystals. It is very safe to assume that together, the 13 of them had gained enough power to defeat Kefka on their own Merits.

IX, they did in fact beat Kuja, however it was only due to the fact they were in the Vacinity of the Crystal. Until they beat him, he didn't want to use Ultima to avoid destroying the Crystal. However with his defeat, he decided to drag everyone down.

So they can beat Kuja, its just it requires them being in the particular location the defeated him at. I mean Kuja's plans were thwarted. They may not have been stronger, but they did in fact beat him.

Close enough, I was just proving there is a reason why the parties can, or can't beat the bosses.

[Forsaken Lover]

The level of fanboyism in this thread is making me sick. I'm done here. Bye.

We'll miss you and your bulshi*t quote that makes all of Final Fantasy VIII irrelevant.

[DarkLadyNyara]

The level of fanboyism in this thread is making me sick. I'm done here. Bye.

*blinks* Pot. Kettle. Black.

[NeoCracker]

You saw Kuja's power. He destroyed a world by himself.

Ultimecia transformed to absorb all time and space. Absorbing all existence as we speak.

Like i said before, even a child would know who is more powerful. This entire discussion is pathetic.

The level of fanboyism in this thread is making me sick. I'm done here. Bye.

You will never understand how hard the Irony of this statement made me laugh.

[TyphoonThaReapa]

How so? What kind of superpowers does she have that enable her to absorb time that all other villains don't have? Simple: NONE. She just had the plan and the skill. What kind of superpowers does absorbing time and existence give her? As far as we see in the game, again, NONE. Hell's Judgement is pathetic and Apocalypse you can prepare against it.

You seem to be forgetting the fact that Ultimecia is a Sorceress. And Sorceress has very powerful mental abilities. Ultimecia is so powerful with her abilities, she wiped SeeD from the face of the planet with her power in her time. And that was in her first form. It's obvious that she's at least three times as powerful in her final form. So, if you want to know what superpower she has to do what SquareEnix, the creators of the game, claim. It would be the fact that she is the most powerful Sorceress that has ever existed.

So how does absorbing existence make Ultimecia the most 'powerful' villain ever? For as far as we see, Ultimecia is still VERY weak in her Final-All-Absoring-Form. If we cast 'plot-protection' on the Final Forms of the other villains so they can fight her without getting absorbed in her just like that without any fight (of course, not the heroes, plot protection huh?), they'll kick her behind. Hard.

Ok, your right, I take that back. Plot Protection is not relevant. But, we both seem to have forgotten why Squall and his team was able to fight her in her time in the first place. Remember the plan Laguna came up with that enable Squall and his party to exist in Ultimecia's time? That's why they are able to fight her. Exactly like the party was able to fight and hurt Kuja. Certain conditions must be ment to even confront Ultimecia due to the fact she exist in a far away time period. This is also why Squall and his party was able to fight Ultimecia (Final Form) in space. Yes, they were in space. Just like most FF bosses are. The bond the Squall and his party created among each other due to Laguna's plan gave them a power that rivals that of Ultimecia. That is why when one of the party members fainted, they were absorbed by her/in time because that bond that allowed they to exist in the time compressed world broken. I say absorb by her because Ultimecia was, in fact, absorbing all of existence during the fight. By all of existence, I mean all of Time, all of Space, and all of Life. In conclusion, The only way to fight or even exist where Ultimecia resides would be to create a power simular to that of the power of the bond Squall and his party created due to Laguna's plan.

All TC and absorbing time and existence seems to give her is immortality. Not power. And that's what this is topic is about. The most 'powerful' FF villain. Ultimecia is not the most powerful. Absorbing time and existence doesn't make her the most powerful, as it seems to give her no powers at all exept the immortality she desires. She wasn't superpowerful so she could absorb existence. Being the most powerful FF villain wasn't required to absorb all of existence. As Ultimecia proves. And absorbing all time and existence doesn't make one the most 'powerful' villain either, as Ultimecia again proves.

First of all, like I said before, if Ultimecia's opponent can not create and power similar to that of the bond Squall and his party created among themselves, existing in Time Compression is impossible. Secondly, no one said Absorbing Existence makes her immortal. But, it does make her God. By that I mean, once she had absorbed all of existence, every single thing that has ever existed would be at her control. Everything would be like strings on a puppet and she would be the puppet master. In conclusion, if the condition stated can not be meant by any opponent opposing Ultimecia, Time Compression will deny their existence.