Final Fantasy Villains - Most Powerful

[Forsaken Lover]

My Top 3.

1. Kuja-
1. Withstood a blast from Bahamut with nothing more than a small cut.
2. Survived a shot from the Invincible.
3. Knew a spell to make people sleep.
4. Could lift objects with magic.
5. Has the ability to make Black Mages and Mistodons from Mist.
6. When going into Trance, easily destroyed the entire party with one attack.
7. Destroyed Terra.
8. Managed to cross back from Terra to Gaia where he made the iifa Tree rip up its roots.
9. Either a) created Memoria as a passageway to the Crystal or b) managed to cross dimensions again from Gaia to the Crystal.
10. "Killed" the party?
11. "Revived" the party?

Kuja's final Ultima hits the party and next thing we know they're before the "final dimension" with their bodies strewn everywhere. Kuja then "helps" by transporting them all away from the exploding Necron.

3. God Kefka

3. Neo Ex-death

Sorry. I haven't played the games really. I just got the general idea from dialogue I've read and scenes I've heard about.

[jammi567]

Definatly Kefka, because he actually completed one of his plans to be evil. I also think that Ultimecia should be up there, as she so nearly managed to complete her goal of paradoxial time compression, and would have done it too if it wasn't for those pesky SeeD's.

[PuPu]

God Kefka had the power of the statues, which is all the magic in the universe of FF6 (with the exception of the Espers). Hell, even regular Kefka could kill 8 Espers at once.

Kuja managed to take a hit from Bahamut with barely a scratch. When he got the power of Trance, he was able to cause a lot of damage to Terra (he probably didn't destroy it completely; maybe it was similar to Lavos in Chrono Trigger). And he was able to kill the party by putting nearly all of his energy into one final Ultima.

Neo X-Death had to power of the Void, the greatest power in FF5 (except for maybe the crystals). He was able to easily destroy towns and villages with the Void, and in the final battle, he said he could destroy all existence and during his Grand Cross attack, it showed a message saying something like "the universe is in peril."

[Bolivar]

Garland would knock all of them down!

[The Crystal]

Ultimecia was absorbing the entire universe, in her final form. With exception of Neo Ex-Death, no villain come close to her power.

And to everyone saying "Kuja", or "Kefka", or etc. Please, remember this is not a popularity contest. You have to prove that Kefka or Kuja have more power than Neo Ex-Death or Final Ultimecia. Good luck trying to do that.

[NeoCracker]

Ultimecia was absorbing the entire universe, in her final form. With exception of Neo Ex-Death, no villain come close to her power.

And to everyone saying "Kuja", or "Kefka", or etc. Please, remember this is not a popularity contest. You have to prove that Kefka or Kuja have more power than Neo Ex-Death or Final Ultimecia. Good luck trying to do that.

In terms of who has the most amazing power, Ultimetica and neo-exdeath win. Though when I think powerful, I think who would win in a fight.

In Ultimecia's case, I don't think you get enough story relevance to determine that. Neo-exdeath, however, does.

Exdeath seems pretty scary, though not on par with Kuja or Kefka in a fight.

Ultimecia is only most powerful if you take into the consideration of the Magnitude of her ability, which no other FF villian can compete with.

I just so happen to define most powerful in these debates as fighting power, which really absorbing the universe has nothing to do with.

[Forsaken Lover]

I can prove Kuja > Neo Exdeath easily.

Kuja destroyed a planet.

Exdeath and the Void never did that.

Nothing says they could either.

So, Kuja > him in power.

As for Ultimecia...that scan makes no sense. She is mixing past, present and future together through Time Compression. No one ever says she is absorbing anything. And also thery never say universe or existence in any of the dialogue. They just say "world" ie. the planet. No one brings up the universe or all of existence at all. Just their world.

And if we're talking fights...Ultimecia dies hard.

[The Crystal]

I can prove Kuja > Neo Exdeath easily.

Kuja destroyed a planet.

Exdeath and the Void never did that.

Nothing says they could either.

So, Kuja > him in power.

In the final battle they say.

As for Ultimecia...that scan makes no sense. She is mixing past, present and future together through Time Compression. No one ever says she is absorbing anything. And also thery never say universe or existence in any of the dialogue. They just say "world" ie. the planet. No one brings up the universe or all of existence at all. Just their world.

If you want to ignore evidence presented in the game, fine. I can do the same thing. Kuja never destroyed a planet.

And if we're talking fights...Ultimecia dies hard.

Ultimecia absorb Kuja, Kefka, Sephiroth, etc. with all the rest of the universe.

[Bolivar]

I can prove Kuja > Neo Exdeath easily.

Kuja destroyed a planet.

Exdeath and the Void never did that.

Nothing says they could either.

So, Kuja > him in power.

In the final battle they say.

As for Ultimecia...that scan makes no sense. She is mixing past, present and future together through Time Compression. No one ever says she is absorbing anything. And also thery never say universe or existence in any of the dialogue. They just say "world" ie. the planet. No one brings up the universe or all of existence at all. Just their world.

If you want to ignore evidence presented in the game, fine. I can do the same thing. Kuja never destroyed a planet.

And if we're talking fights...Ultimecia dies hard.

Ultimecia absorb Kuja, Kefka, Sephiroth, etc. with all the rest of the universe.

And then Garland knocks that b**** down!

[Elpizo]

Ultimecia absorb Kuja, Kefka, Sephiroth, etc. with all the rest of the universe.

Like she absorbed Squall, Rinoa, Irvine, Zell, Quistis and Selphie, right?

[The Crystal]

Like she absorbed Squall, Rinoa, Irvine, Zell, Quistis and Selphie, right?

Don't use this argument please, it will not work.
Plot-protection(heros allways win in the end) >> Ultimecia. This is why she(and the other villains) lost.
You can try to find why she lost: She underestimated SeeD, and didn't fought seriouslly? She subconsciously wanted to lose? Exist many theories about it. Or you could believe that SeeD was more powerful than her, meaning that they are more powerful than a being absorbing all existence. That make them gods, and the most powerful heros in FF series.

But it doesn't matter. Ultimecia was absorbing the universe. This is what we call "a fact". Because of that, she IS more powerful than Kuja and Kefka, and if they don't have plot-protection(making her underestimate them, or wanting to lose in her sbconscious, or whatever...), they would be absorbed by her.

To people like Neo Ex-Death and Final Ultimecia, destroying a planet is a joke.

[Elpizo]

If heroes that can't scratch a planet or can't absorb time itself can fight against a time-absorbing being, so can crazy clowns, mother loving grey-haired dudes, planet-hurting maniacs and void-itself-beings.

Ultimecia absorbed time itself in the end. Incredible. Kuja killed the good guys with his final Ultima. Also incredible. Kefka actually WON, at least for one year. That's incredible as well.

Absorbing time was nice for making her the only existing being, immortal forever in a void. Wonder what's so great about that. Wodner what she owuld do with her 'absorbed time'. Nothing, for there's nothing left. Be it as it may, I found her 'time absorbing' not really dangerous. I mean, if everything is gone except for her, what's wrong with it? She's useless then, anyway. Ultimecia's time absorbing left her with literally nothing. Except immortality, in a mad-making nothingness.

[f f freak]

I'm not too sure on the most powerful villian but...

@The Crystal, Your whole plot protection thing doesn't work when it comes to Kuja. Kuja defeated the party using Ultima and then the team went to Hill of Despair where they got revived or whatever.
Also about Ultimecia absorbing time and just absorbing the other villians Neo X-Death could just send her to the Void. (X-Death is the one with the power over the Void right?) So Ultimecia would not be able to absorb time.

It all really depends on who gets the first hit in.

[TyphoonThaReapa]

I didn't want to get in this, but they are some people here. First of all, destroying a planet, killing a few people and creating a giant meteor is child's play compare to time compression. You guys seem to be underestimating that power. Think about it for a sec before you open your mouth.

Ultimecia has the power to not only combine time and space (Past, Present, and Future), she also has the ability to absorb not only the UNIVERSE but also ALL OF EXISTENCE.

Plot Protection does apply to FF8. Frankly, I'm surprise Squall and he's team was ability to make it to her final form. In her Ultimecia + Gravier form (Third Form), Her best attack was moving THREE PLANETS AND A ASTEROID!!!!! If that's not the most powerful thing in the entire series yet, then I suggest you guys play the entire series again....

[Elpizo]

Necron's Grand Cross moved not three but FOUR planets and included a FIFTH one... Neo Exdeath's Grand Cross sent the universe into peril...

Time Compression may be a nice thing to pull of, but in the end it's effects are not harming. Everything is gone, so none can suffer from it's effects. Bit different like, when Kefka terorizes the planet for a year, or Kuja setting the whole surface of Terra on fire. Or even Sephiroth's meteor could have been devasting if it had landed.

Time compression? Seemed to go painlessly for everybody to me. And again, what did Ultimecia gain with it? Prisoned with immortality as the sole living being in a nothingness. At least Neo Exdeath wanted to die together with the world... I guess I shouldn't ask for the results of destroy-all-attitude. Especially when it it's obtained for once, even if only for one, weak form that's only able to do 2 attacks... Of which one can never be deadly. Nothingness doesn't make sense when it's not executed by a pop-out-of-nowhere boss. Unless Ultimecia was insane, of course.

EDIT: Now that I think of it, not many FF Final-Bosses make good sense. =/