New theories

[Future Esthar]

1-I start to believe there is dimensional travel on FF8.I refused to believe it during many time despite Gilgamesh´s lines.
But I can see a better picture of FF8 now.Time is not set in stone.
I always believed that our characters were supposed to fuse to
be turned into sorceress Adel.It is supposed to happen at the prision but they managed to escape.So how can Adel exist on the future?
That is because Esthar is a future on a different dimension than the other eras.It is a "lost" future.Let´s call that dimension the A dimension (A from Adel).This is also Ulti´s dimension.You can access it on the beach on Edea´s house.Now that I think about it,wasn´t there a small light on the floor?
Or maybe Ulti´s timeline is a third dimension?
Let´s call it U dimension.And the standard dimension will be the S dimension.
2-I wonder whether Rinoa is a clone of Ellone or the other way around?I believe the first thing.
She was meant to save our characters at the prision by sending Zell´s consciousness to the past.That way,dimension S came to exist.
Which means I don´t believe on the cyborg thing anymore.

[ReloadPsi]

What evidence is there to support any of that?

[jammi567]

There is evidence, but it's been twisted so much that it's unrecognisable.

[Future Esthar]

I will answer that when I have enough votes for my poll.

3-I allways thought Ulti has been possessed.

She was freed when our characters defeat her.However she doesn´t have the time to explain herself because they keep hitting her thinking she is still mad.After all they don´t remember her like they remembered Matron.

[Tallulah]

Not to be rude, but... what the hell are you talking about?!

[Future Esthar]

In the end of the game we see Ulti´s last form.Ulti is seen upside down with her body hanging from Griever.Familiar?
Yeah,this is like Schala and the Time Devourer.Since both games are so similar in many points we can safely assume that it was intended for Ulti to be possessed.
However part of her would still be good.

[Serapy]

Squall may be a descendant, husband, mind, true knight of Ultimecia. Why and how? -
Squall has expressed his sadness, anger, loneliness and non-ambitious acts through out the entire story. Ultimecia has the kind of the same behaviours as Squall execpt being more ambitious and anger, she's still lonely.
Ultimecia has created mind (Griever) at the end, Squall doesn't seem so surprised because he knew it was going to happen.
The past/present/future timelines seem to be affected at some point, for example: Squall knew something from the future timeline was going to happen but he was so totally unsure and therefore, lacked his insecurities, that's why he became surprised when that "something" (Griever) being appeared. This theory has a benefit of doubt: why did Ultimecia creat Griever from Squall's mind as the only one thing to appear in those characters' views but not something else? Why only from Squall? Why not someone else too? Anyway, Rinoa looked a lot surprised when she was asking Squall in the middle of the game about his Griever Ring, at that moment, the tune has changed to a beautiful song to represent something, I don't know what exactly. So at the end, Griever showed up, I can't tell if any of this was Squall's intention but why? It could be either Squall, Rinoa or Ultimecia (both Squall and Rinoa).

The Ultimecia Castle is located to Eden house, know why? It's because Squall has grew up living from Eden's house with Matron and spent most of times in that house thinking about things, could be bad things, so that's how the castle appeared next to it, I don't think Matron (or Edea) is involved.

Here's another theory but kind of relevant to the first theory (above). Squall has insecurities and Rinoa is more... of beauty? Therefore, Squall and Rinoa are combined into one form aka Ultimecia as they loved each other and shared love with each other and became corrupted, since sorceresses and humans aren't exactly the same so when they shared love, they exactly became corrupted. Ultimecia's mind is Squall because of her behaviours similar to Squall, and Ultimecia's body is probably Rinoa because of beauty. When they combined, Ultimecia became worser, expressing more anger and full of changes, wanting to rule the whole world, etc.

Some say that Rinoa may be a descendant of Ultimecia, but if Squall is indeed another descendant as well, so then basically both of em are incests which made them combined into Ultimecia because it became corrupted! Ultimecia could be parted of Rinoa and Squall together

Ultimecia's goal was to rule everything, that's exactly how Squall and his team successed in fighting wars and battles, leading to Ultimecia's timeline... but for some reason Ultimecia became corrupted and tried backfired Squall and Rinoa

Oh I wanna share few more theories.

The Zell's Face Scar or rather Tattoo



Comparing to Ultimecia's face scar or rather Tattoo



Weird, eh? Both of thier face scars or tattoos look quite similar (not exactly same but very similar), I'm guessing this is because that Zell's face scars or tattoo is located in the present timeline which means the tattoo is new and well, the tattoo or face scar of Ultimecia from the future looks a bit changed and bigger, as timeline is contiuning, these tattoo or face scars grow to change a bit different.

However, Zell doesn't have same tattoo/face scar on his right side of face, I'm guessing this is because Ultimecia is as twice as powerful than Zell, therefore, she have both sides of tattoo or face scars (both right and left sides of face).

As far as I tried to recall that there's indeed none of other characters that have the same/similar tattoo/face scars as Ultimecia or Zell.

If Zell's tattoo is actual tattoo, then maybe he's interested in some part about Ultimecia? He would have thought once that if he wore same tattoo on his left/right sides of face, things would be very suspicious (for example: don't want Squall or someone else to notice the familiarity between Ultimecia and Zell) which means.... there could be many reasons why he took kind of same tattoo as Ultimecia.

If Ultimecia and Zell have those face scars, not actual tattoo then maybe that have to do with thier genes which means that Zell may be a descendant of Ultimecia since nobody else have those smiliar face scars.
Or maybe those face scars give some special power, Zell is good at fighting, Ultimecia is good at fighting either.
Too bad Zell doesn't know about this in the game, but of course the whole game is presented, in future he probably will find out.

If they were just some art creator's imagination that have nothing to do with the story, etc, then no comment about that one...

[Tallulah]

I think it is more likely that Rinoa is a descendant of Ultimecia, rather than Squall, though that would also explain how Ulti came to be in possession of the Griever GF, hidden in Squall's ring. However, I feel that it would be more symbolic if Rinoa was responsible, her becoming a sorceress and all. And Squall gave her the ring.

As for the Zell/Ultimecia similarity thing... I think that's just pure coincidence. But interesting thought...

Uh.. FE... are we playing the same game?

[Bolivar]

When Gilgamesh talked about the dimensional interval, I think that was there because he was sealed in the N-Zone, and presumably zantetsuken was so sharp it cut it open. I didn't see anything else about dimensions in FFVIII.

[Tallulah]

Perhaps Ultimecia's Realm (which our intrepid characters have to go to in Disc Four) is another dimension, or at least an alternate reality. As a former enemy in previous Final Fantasies, perhaps Gilgamesh comes from this dimension because he is evil, or against Squall and co. Transiting from that dimension to the present, or Squall's reality, gives him a new perspective, thus he chooses to side with Squall and pwnz Seifer... Kinda choosing the winning team.

Just a thought.

[Serapy]

I think it is more likely that Rinoa is a descendant of Ultimecia, rather than Squall, though that would also explain how Ulti came to be in possession of the Griever GF, hidden in Squall's ring. However, I feel that it would be more symbolic if Rinoa was responsible, her becoming a sorceress and all. And Squall gave her the ring.

As for the Zell/Ultimecia similarity thing... I think that's just pure coincidence. But interesting thought...

Uh.. FE... are we playing the same game?

Rinoa is a part of Ultimecia (not saying Ultimecia is 100% Rinoa though) because like what you said, Squall gave her the ring, Rinoa felt the power and eventually Ultimecia spawned Griever at the end. It seems to make more sense than Rinoa being a descendant of Ultimecia because I don't think that all descendants of Ultimecia would gain to have the same power as Rinoa (gaining Griever GF power), unless Rinoa gave her ring to all of the descendants but I don't think that did happen. If Ultimecia created Griever from someone's mind, but why only Griever, why not something else? Griever GF is probably the only one thing Ultimecia has created, but why?

So I tend to believe that Squall could be more of a part of Ultimecia because of Griever, you know when a GF is equipped, nobody else can't use it. Well squall used it for a long time, but maybe Ultimecia wore the ring as a GF and Griever eventually showed up, but where is Squall from the future (the ring is still alive)? He's probably dead, his ring has fallen to Ultimecia but how did that happen? All I guess is... Rinoa is probably the closest person to Squall to have possession of Griever ring, so thus, Rinoa is Ultimecia or a part of it or you're probably right, each descendant following to the future from the past gave Griever ring to next one, and so on, until ultimecia but idk.


If Gilgamesh went through dimensional travel, then Rinoa may have the chance to do that since she has some power of a sorceress, maybe it's not true but who knows. Adel held Rinoa, was that when Gilgamesh showed up? Would make sense if Rinoa was involved with Gilgamesh.

[Future Esthar]

Perhaps Ultimecia's Realm (which our intrepid characters have to go to in Disc Four) is another dimension, or at least an alternate reality.

Exactly.It is the U dimension.
Edea is called Ultimecia on this dimension.
She married Seifer and gave birth to Rinoa.
Rinoa married Squall and gave birth to Zell.
Zell married Quistis and gave birth to Selphie which married Irvine.
They were a Dinasty of Centra Kings which came from another planet.
Seifer is the sun of Raijin and Fujin.

Uh.. FE... are we playing the same game?

Schala and the Time Devourer are from a game named Chrono Cross.I was just making a comparison.

[Serapy]

Rinoa married Squall and gave birth to Zell.

No wonder Zell's face scar or tattoo looks almost the same as Ultimecia, this explains that all of them are in relation to Ultimecia from the future.

[Discord]

FE! You're back! Life is good again!

Any chance that you're confusing the Chrono series with the FF though?

[ragnosica]

She married Seifer and gave birth to Rinoa.
Rinoa married Squall and gave birth to Zell.
Zell married Quistis and gave birth to Selphie which married Irvine.
They were a Dinasty of Centra Kings which came from another planet.
Seifer is the sun of Raijin and Fujin.

ok now that's just plain silly