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I think it is more likely that Rinoa is a descendant of Ultimecia, rather than Squall, though that would also explain how Ulti came to be in possession of the Griever GF, hidden in Squall's ring. However, I feel that it would be more symbolic if Rinoa was responsible, her becoming a sorceress and all. And Squall gave her the ring.

As for the Zell/Ultimecia similarity thing... I think that's just pure coincidence. But interesting thought...

Uh.. FE... are we playing the same game?
Rinoa is a part of Ultimecia (not saying Ultimecia is 100% Rinoa though) because like what you said, Squall gave her the ring, Rinoa felt the power and eventually Ultimecia spawned Griever at the end. It seems to make more sense than Rinoa being a descendant of Ultimecia because I don't think that all descendants of Ultimecia would gain to have the same power as Rinoa (gaining Griever GF power), unless Rinoa gave her ring to all of the descendants but I don't think that did happen. If Ultimecia created Griever from someone's mind, but why only Griever, why not something else? Griever GF is probably the only one thing Ultimecia has created, but why?

So I tend to believe that Squall could be more of a part of Ultimecia because of Griever, you know when a GF is equipped, nobody else can't use it. Well squall used it for a long time, but maybe Ultimecia wore the ring as a GF and Griever eventually showed up, but where is Squall from the future (the ring is still alive)? He's probably dead, his ring has fallen to Ultimecia but how did that happen? All I guess is... Rinoa is probably the closest person to Squall to have possession of Griever ring, so thus, Rinoa is Ultimecia or a part of it or you're probably right, each descendant following to the future from the past gave Griever ring to next one, and so on, until ultimecia but idk.


If Gilgamesh went through dimensional travel, then Rinoa may have the chance to do that since she has some power of a sorceress, maybe it's not true but who knows. Adel held Rinoa, was that when Gilgamesh showed up? Would make sense if Rinoa was involved with Gilgamesh.

The reason Griever is summoned by Ultimecia at the end of FF8 is because as its stated all through FF8 (by multiple character's) "Griever, the most powerful/ultimate GF".

Plus i mean how is it possible to scan the mind of somebody or something your a part of? You would instinctively know!

What i want to know is why you never get to summon or see Griever summoned in FF8 until the end? Is it because Squall was unable to summon the GF or was it because he WOULDN'T? Could it of been fear that unleashing Griever could cause unrivaled destruction? Is Griever just a personification of Squall's wild/rebellious/dark side? Or is Griever an entity in and of itself like other GF's? Either way Squall and Griever are unmistakably linked by some force maybe Squall himself is Griever and maybe Griever is his true most powerful form, or maybe it's just the form that Squall's unleashed power takes...

Another thing is how can someone (I.E. Ultimecia in the final fight) junction themselves to a GF? I mean the only things can be junctioned are GF's right? Unless of course Ulti is a GF or maybe Griever isnt a GF but rather an actual independant being...? Or alternatively they are both GF's and it is possible to junction GF's together but with the price of them becoming permanently fused together, which is probably why no one does it in the game ...afterall most people never get more than one GF and thsoe that do probably dont want to screw thier GF's big style.

Anyway all of this speculation/and or theorising...none of it is probably even remotely true but it does get you thinking about the true purpose of Griever within FF8 afterall what reason is there for him to be in the story when for most of the story he either not mentioned or just plain not really important (other than being the most powerful GF).