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    Knights feel free to merge this with the other thread if you see fit, but I felt this was worth its own topic.

    It's a tough call. While there are plenty of adult gamers who wouldn't be affected by this, there's no other way to guarantee that kids or people with a loose grip on reality won't get their hands on it. It really sucks for those who were looking forward to it.

    To quote Kotaku:
    Today, the British Board of Film Classification, the UK's independent regulator of film, video and gaming, announced that it has rejected both the PS2 and Wii version of Manhunt 2. Manhunt 2 was developed by Rockstar Games and is the sequel to Manhunt, a game that was banned in several different countries and linked to the murder of a 14 year-old boy. With this announced ruling, Manhunt 2 cannot legally be sold anywhere in the United Kingdom. This is the first game to be rejected since Carmageddon in 1997. We just got off the phone with BBFC's Sue Clark, who said, "We took a lot of time in examining Manhunt 2. Banning is not something we take lightly." She added that the regulatory board examines video games closer than its counterparts aboard.

    Her remarks echo BBFC Director David Cooke, who stated, "Rejecting a work is a very serious action and one which we do not take lightly. Where possible we try to consider cuts or, in the case of games, modifications which remove the material which contravenes the Board's published Guidelines. In the case of Manhunt 2 this has not been possible. Manhunt 2 is distinguishable from recent high-end video games by its unremitting bleakness and callousness of tone in an overall game context which constantly encourages visceral killing with exceptionally little alleviation or distancing. There is sustained and cumulative casual sadism in the way in which these killings are committed, and encouraged, in the game."

    According to BBFC's Sue Clark, five or six examiners played through "several hours of the game." Using cheat codes, they were able to play the "tops of each level." The BBFC was also furnished with a copy of the game's script. These same examiners then produced a report on their findings. The decision to ban Manhunt 2 was then made by a BBFC panel which consisted of Director and the Presidential Team of Sir Quentin Thomas, Lord Taylor of Warwick and Janet Lewis-Jones. Under the terms of the Video Recordings Act the game's distributors have the right to appeal the Board's decision.

    This ruling will certainly set a precedent, and Manhunt 2 is unlikely to clear censorship in Germany and Australia. Hit the jump to read Director David Cooke's full statement. Brian Ashcraft
    "Rejecting a work is a very serious action and one which we do not take lightly. Where possible we try to consider cuts or, in the case of games, modifications which remove the material which contravenes the Board's published Guidelines. In the case of Manhunt 2 this has not been possible. Manhunt 2 is distinguishable from recent high-end video games by its unremitting bleakness and callousness of tone in an overall game context which constantly encourages visceral killing with exceptionally little alleviation or distancing. There is sustained and cumulative casual sadism in the way in which these killings are committed, and encouraged, in the game.

    "Although the difference should not be exaggerated the fact of the game's unrelenting focus on stalking and brutal slaying and the sheer lack of alternative pleasures on offer to the gamer, together with the different overall narrative context, contribute towards differentiating this submission from the original Manhunt game. That work was classified '18' in 2003, before the BBFC's recent games research had been undertaken, but was already at the very top end of what the Board judged to be acceptable at that category."

    "Against this background, the Board's carefully considered view is that to issue a certificate to Manhunt 2, on either platform, would involve a range of unjustifiable harm risks, to both adults and minors, within the terms of the Video Recordings Act, and accordingly that its availability, even if statutorily confined to adults, would be unacceptable to the public."

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    That's stupid and retarded. Slap an 18+ or AO rating on them, and have the clerks ask for identification.

    Not that it matters anyway, people will just import it from other PAL areas if they really want it. It only means loss of income for British retailers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirage View Post
    That's stupid and retarded. Slap an 18+ or AO rating on them, and have the clerks ask for identification.
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    Ireland has yet to pass judgement on Manhunt 2. I've never played it, so I can't pass judgement either.

    Games sold in Ireland don't get rated by the government, but if the Irish Film Censor's Office (Oifig Scrúdóir na Scannán) think that a game is unfit for viewing, they can apply to have it banned.

    Remember Carmageddon, back in 1997? In England they sold a water-down version of the game. In Ireland, it wasn't watered down at all.
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    So are any PAL countries not banning it? because i've really been looking forward to this game and as a 30 year old who's never broken the law (well, never been caught) i feel i can decide for myself what games i can play.
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    And this is why USA > UK.

    IFCO says it won't be available for sale in Ireland.

    Judgeing from the way they normally are quite stringent, I'd highly doubt Australia allows something we don't, too.

    It disgusts me that in this day and age this kind of thing can happen.

    As for where PAL gamers can get it, I'd be highly surprised if all the Scandanavian countries ban it. Keep an eye on places like Estonia, Sweden, etc.
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    Bloody hell, people should be allowed to decide for themselves what they should be play and shouldn't. This ruling should be challenged hugely.

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    I didn't really like the first Manhunt... :\

    But it was eventually banned from sale here aswell.

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    Whether or not you liked it is irrelevant. This clashes with freedom of expression.
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    Quote Originally Posted by I'm my own MILF View Post
    IFCO says it won't be available for sale in Ireland.
    Yep, you're right... IFCO: Irish Film Censors Office - NEWS FROM IFCO
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirage View Post
    Whether or not you liked it is irrelevant. This clashes with freedom of expression.
    Oh gawsh~ Quite alot of things clash with that phrase.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ELSPA
    MANHUNT 2 - STATEMENT FROM ENTERTAINMENT LEISURE SOFTWARE PUBLISHERS ASSOCIATION (ELSPA)

    STATEMENT FROM ENTERTAINMENT LEISURE SOFTWARE PUBLISHERS
    ASSOCIATION (ELSPA)

    British Board of Film Classification

    MANHUNT 2

    PAUL JACKSON - DIRECTOR GENERAL, ELSPA

    "A decision from the BBFC such as this demonstrates that we have a games ratings system in the UK that is effective. It shows it works and works well. Any decision the BBFC takes, it takes on the basis of its remit to rate on screen entertainment.

    "The games industry is a creative phenomenon that produces all kinds of games across all kinds of genres that appeal to all kinds of people across the country, young and old, male and female. The important thing to know is that all games are rated according to age suitability, with over 70 per cent of games being available to all ages over three years."
    ELSPA: Press Office: Press Releases: MANHUNT 2 - STATEMENT FROM ENTERTAINMENT LEISURE SOFTWARE PUBLISHERS ASSOCIATION (ELSPA)

    It sounds like they support the ban.

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    Their main arguement is that you're killing humans for the sake of killing humans and "the sheer lack of alternative pleasures on offer to the gamer".

    In other words, I guess if you were killing Aliens and had minigames, it would have been ok.

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    Like I was going to buy it in the shops anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JKTrix View Post
    Knights feel free to merge this with the other thread if you see fit, but I felt this was worth its own topic.

    It's a tough call. While there are plenty of adult gamers who wouldn't be affected by this, there's no other way to guarantee that kids or people with a loose grip on reality won't get their hands on it. It really sucks for those who were looking forward to it.

    To quote Kotaku:
    Today, the British Board of Film Classification, the UK's independent regulator of film, video and gaming, announced that it has rejected both the PS2 and Wii version of Manhunt 2. Manhunt 2 was developed by Rockstar Games and is the sequel to Manhunt, a game that was banned in several different countries and linked to the murder of a 14 year-old boy. With this announced ruling, Manhunt 2 cannot legally be sold anywhere in the United Kingdom. This is the first game to be rejected since Carmageddon in 1997. We just got off the phone with BBFC's Sue Clark, who said, "We took a lot of time in examining Manhunt 2. Banning is not something we take lightly." She added that the regulatory board examines video games closer than its counterparts aboard.

    Her remarks echo BBFC Director David Cooke, who stated, "Rejecting a work is a very serious action and one which we do not take lightly. Where possible we try to consider cuts or, in the case of games, modifications which remove the material which contravenes the Board's published Guidelines. In the case of Manhunt 2 this has not been possible. Manhunt 2 is distinguishable from recent high-end video games by its unremitting bleakness and callousness of tone in an overall game context which constantly encourages visceral killing with exceptionally little alleviation or distancing. There is sustained and cumulative casual sadism in the way in which these killings are committed, and encouraged, in the game."

    According to BBFC's Sue Clark, five or six examiners played through "several hours of the game." Using cheat codes, they were able to play the "tops of each level." The BBFC was also furnished with a copy of the game's script. These same examiners then produced a report on their findings. The decision to ban Manhunt 2 was then made by a BBFC panel which consisted of Director and the Presidential Team of Sir Quentin Thomas, Lord Taylor of Warwick and Janet Lewis-Jones. Under the terms of the Video Recordings Act the game's distributors have the right to appeal the Board's decision.

    This ruling will certainly set a precedent, and Manhunt 2 is unlikely to clear censorship in Germany and Australia. Hit the jump to read Director David Cooke's full statement. Brian Ashcraft
    "Rejecting a work is a very serious action and one which we do not take lightly. Where possible we try to consider cuts or, in the case of games, modifications which remove the material which contravenes the Board's published Guidelines. In the case of Manhunt 2 this has not been possible. Manhunt 2 is distinguishable from recent high-end video games by its unremitting bleakness and callousness of tone in an overall game context which constantly encourages visceral killing with exceptionally little alleviation or distancing. There is sustained and cumulative casual sadism in the way in which these killings are committed, and encouraged, in the game.

    "Although the difference should not be exaggerated the fact of the game's unrelenting focus on stalking and brutal slaying and the sheer lack of alternative pleasures on offer to the gamer, together with the different overall narrative context, contribute towards differentiating this submission from the original Manhunt game. That work was classified '18' in 2003, before the BBFC's recent games research had been undertaken, but was already at the very top end of what the Board judged to be acceptable at that category."

    "Against this background, the Board's carefully considered view is that to issue a certificate to Manhunt 2, on either platform, would involve a range of unjustifiable harm risks, to both adults and minors, within the terms of the Video Recordings Act, and accordingly that its availability, even if statutorily confined to adults, would be unacceptable to the public."
    It's no big loss...and if they ban films that are probably less violent and sick than this then they can ban this too for all i care.

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