Live Earth

[Shattered Dreamer]

Excuse me Mr. Al Gore but what the deuce made you want to have a concert to and I quote "raise awareness about the climate crisis". I mean come on all we hear about on television and the internet now adays is how we are killing the planet and the big scary global warming is gonna get you. I mean cheers for the free music Al but go take a long walk off a short peer. Here are are a few things Al Gore needs to consider

1. People complain that metaine from cattle,sheep and other farm animals harm the environment. Remember Dinosaur Al? There where as many dinosaurs knocking around at one time as there are cows & sheep etc. now. Guess what Al planet didn't die and I'm sure dinosaur farts were far worse.

2. Stop giving out to China about admitting harmful gas. Every country in the world imports from China so we are all part responsible for their pollution.

3. When Britain went through the industrial revoltution alot of harmful gas was released into the air. Global warming? No actually Global freezing during the height of this period world temperatures drop 4 degrees C. The United States doesnt admit 1/2 the amount the Britain of that era did & people whine about it.

4. I agree recycling is a good idea but not every country has the inferstructure to do this. Tell governments to fix it so we can have recycling bins in the West of Ireland then whine to me about not recycling everything, I recycle my bottle & cans but without the bin collection I have to throw away the paper and cardboard.

5.Bio fuels are the way to replace oil. Crops we can grow to turn into fuel. But then people complain where will we grow food. There are plenty of empty fields to grow stuff in without touching the food. Shut up bleeding hearts.

6.And one last thing Al how much pollution do you think your little concert caused to promote your Global Warming stuff. Alot

Al go stick to hunting Man Bear Pig I'm super serial(Watch South Park that will make sense.)But thanks for all the music though.

[Eiko Guy]

wow so much anger for something that didn't really hurt anybody.

[Madame Adequate]

wow so much anger for something that didn't really hurt anybody.

Spreading false and inflammatory messages which would cause, at the least, severe economic damage if the advice was followed, is not hurting nobody.

Whether or not it is false is another matter, but I remain unconvinced that Humans are having any significant effect on the Earth's climate. The ecosystem has varied more wildly than this before. As in, before we started doing anything.

Edit: The main reason I dislike this kind of thing is that it's A) A bunch of celebrities who either feel guilty for being successful, or want attention who take up the cause of the momeny, and B) It's a completely ineffective tactic anyway.

[SnoopyG]

I liked the music part

[eestlinc]

So who played?

Whether or not it is false is another matter, but I remain unconvinced that Humans are having any significant effect on the Earth's climate. The ecosystem has varied more wildly than this before. As in, before we started doing anything.

That is not a very sensible critique. "We aren't the cause this time because this has happened before and we weren't the cause then." Quite frankly, it seems almost completely implausible that we aren't a major cause of global warming. To put it another way, humans have been changing the chemical makeup of our atmosphere through massive emissions of various compounds over the last 100 or so years. It's incredibly likely that this change in atmospheric content has had some effect. As to what effect exactly, a good guess would be the observable changes in climate, especially since carbon emissions correllate so directly with global temperature. Not all things that happen in sequence have a cause-effect relationship, but all cause-effect relationships happen in sequence.

[Goldenboko]

This seems like it should go in EoEo...

So who played?

Whether or not it is false is another matter, but I remain unconvinced that Humans are having any significant effect on the Earth's climate. The ecosystem has varied more wildly than this before. As in, before we started doing anything.

That is not a very sensible critique. "We aren't the cause this time because this has happened before and we weren't the cause then." Quite frankly, it seems almost completely implausible that we aren't a major cause of global warming. To put it another way, humans have been changing the chemical makeup of our atmosphere through massive emissions of various compounds over the last 100 or so years. It's incredibly likely that this change in atmospheric content has had some effect. As to what effect exactly, a good guess would be the observable changes in climate, especially since carbon emissions correllate so directly with global temperature. Not all things that happen in sequence have a cause-effect relationship, but all cause-effect relationships happen in sequence.

What he said.

[Slothy]

3. When Britain went through the industrial revoltution alot of harmful gas was released into the air. Global warming? No actually Global freezing during the height of this period world temperatures drop 4 degrees C. The United States doesnt admit 1/2 the amount the Britain of that era did & people whine about it.

Climate Change doesn't necessarily mean global warming. In fact, it's very likely that the melting of the polar ice caps will result in another ice age in Europe, and possibly North America (have fun). Besides that, it's unlikely that Britain during the industrial revolution could emit enough greenhouse gases on its own to cause a major shift in global climates. With the number of countries emitting those gases now though, well you can guess. Also keep in mind that the environment has the capacity to cope with a certain amount of emissions. Beyond that though you run into trouble, especially with many countries causing more and more emissions every year.

4. I agree recycling is a good idea but not every country has the inferstructure to do this. Tell governments to fix it so we can have recycling bins in the West of Ireland then whine to me about not recycling everything, I recycle my bottle & cans but without the bin collection I have to throw away the paper and cardboard.

Al Gore telling governments to build the infrastructure for large scale recycling isn't going to make it happen. If you want your government to institute a more comprehensive recycling program then you and other voters in your country/area will have to make it known that you want it. Whether you do that through writing politicians, protesting or some other means is up to you, but it won't happen unless you take the initiative. It's easy to expect others to just make it happen, but nothing will really get done that way.

[Madame Adequate]

That is not a very sensible critique. "We aren't the cause this time because this has happened before and we weren't the cause then." Quite frankly, it seems almost completely implausible that we aren't a major cause of global warming. To put it another way, humans have been changing the chemical makeup of our atmosphere through massive emissions of various compounds over the last 100 or so years. It's incredibly likely that this change in atmospheric content has had some effect. As to what effect exactly, a good guess would be the observable changes in climate, especially since carbon emissions correllate so directly with global temperature. Not all things that happen in sequence have a cause-effect relationship, but all cause-effect relationships happen in sequence.

Of course it's sensible. We are fully aware that changes like this can and do happen on a regular basis without the existence of Humans, nevermind our modern technological industry. Why, then, should we presume that this instance is an exception to those, except through an arrogant presumption that we are oh-so-important and that nothing can happen unless we're involved? What about the fact that Mars is undergoing global warming, and her icecaps are melting? Could the sun perchance have something to do with that? Or is that somehow our fault as well?

As to emissions - you're right about cause-effect relationships happening in sequence. What you're wrong about is the sequence. Temperature changes happen first, and then emissions change. Usually several hundred years later.

[Rengori]

A concerts not gonna do in the long run unless the people who went there are willing to do more than listen to music.

[Shattered Dreamer]

wow so much anger for something that didn't really hurt anybody.

Sorry I did go a bit over the top the I'll admit that. I just saw it all as a pointless waste of time apart from the music. Heard on the news today Live Earth left behind 2 tonnes of waste behind between the 8 concerts. Not very eco friendly.

Besides that, it's unlikely that Britain during the industrial revolution could emit enough greenhouse gases on its own to cause a major shift in global climates.

Should of said I meant the British Empire which at the time was alot larger than Britain is now. (This is not meant as a patronising comment).

Al Gore telling governments to build the infrastructure for large scale recycling isn't going to make it happen. If you want your government to institute a more comprehensive recycling program then you and other voters in your country/area will have to make it known that you want it. Whether you do that through writing politicians, protesting or some other means is up to you, but it won't happen unless you take the initiative. It's easy to expect others to just make it happen, but nothing will really get done that way.

In my option Al Gore doesn't really have the right to tell anyone to do sqwat. He is still swore about losing the Presidential election to Bush and now just champions causes to get television time. Just my opinion so sue me.

We had a general election recently in Ireland and the Green Party now have seats at the government cabinet so maybe something will happen. Not likely in my opinion. So I suppose is was unfair of me to blam Al on my countries government's short coming.

[eestlinc]

Of course it's sensible. We are fully aware that changes like this can and do happen on a regular basis without the existence of Humans, nevermind our modern technological industry. Why, then, should we presume that this instance is an exception to those, except through an arrogant presumption that we are oh-so-important and that nothing can happen unless we're involved? What about the fact that Mars is undergoing global warming, and her icecaps are melting? Could the sun perchance have something to do with that? Or is that somehow our fault as well?

As to emissions - you're right about cause-effect relationships happening in sequence. What you're wrong about is the sequence. Temperature changes happen first, and then emissions change. Usually several hundred years later.

Of course the climate changes without our involvement. But it doesn't follow from that therefore we have no effect, or that changing our behavior won't have any effect. Sure, there are other factors working to influence global climate. But anyone who says humans don't have a major effect is just a fool. We may not "destroy the earth" but clearly we have the power to make the planet less hospitable for humans.

What emissions are you talking about? Are you saying we emit more carbon or other gases into the atmosphere as a result of changing climate?

Ultimately, our global climate is changing, probably based on a large number of factors both in and out of our control. Given the options of doing nothing and blaming it on the sun, and curbing pollution to reduce human-caused negative effects, the produnt choice is to fix what we can. Saying that we have no effect just serves to rationalize the easy choice of doing nothing. Just about the only people left advocating that course of action are contrarians and oil companies.

edit: concernign the Mars South Pole melting, see RealClimate » Global warming on Mars? Réchauffement global sur Mars ?.

[Heath]

We had a general election recently in Ireland and the Green Party now have seats at the government cabinet so maybe something will happen. Not likely in my opinion. So I suppose is was unfair of me to blam Al on my countries government's short coming.

While I think it's severely unlikely that the Green Party will form a government either in the UK or in Ireland, I think the main political parties are at least willing to tackle the Green issue now. As much as I hate them, even David Cameron's Conservatives are 'raising the green agenda.' It's hardly revolutionary (especially considering the Green Party have been around for years, and Labour and the Lib Dems have had greener environment policies than the Tories for years), but at least it's doing something about it. I think the whole issue of climate change is now much important, at least within British political circles, so that hopefully more should get done about it.

Also, I got a laugh out of a friend of mine complaining about all the carbon emissions that Al Gore's Live Earth probably caused due to moving equipment, powering the thing, flying bands there and so on.

[cloud21zidane16]

We had a general election recently in Ireland and the Green Party now have seats at the government cabinet so maybe something will happen. Not likely in my opinion. So I suppose is was unfair of me to blam Al on my countries government's short coming.

While I think it's severely unlikely that the Green Party will form a government either in the UK or in Ireland, I think the main political parties are at least willing to tackle the Green issue now. As much as I hate them, even David Cameron's Conservatives are 'raising the green agenda.' It's hardly revolutionary (especially considering the Green Party have been around for years, and Labour and the Lib Dems have had greener environment policies than the Tories for years), but at least it's doing something about it. I think the whole issue of climate change is now much important, at least within British political circles, so that hopefully more should get done about it.

Also, I got a laugh out of a friend of mine complaining about all the carbon emissions that Al Gore's Live Earth probably caused due to moving equipment, powering the thing, flying bands there and so on.

Different partys are doing things to help stop it but no where near enough, theyre just saying they are already and will do even more to help prevent it to gain more support

[Discord]

Besides that, it's unlikely that Britain during the industrial revolution could emit enough greenhouse gases on its own to cause a major shift in global climates.

Should of said I meant the British Empire which at the time was alot larger than Britain is now. (This is not meant as a patronising comment).

Sorry, got to catch you out here. The British Empire only had factories inside the modern UK. They've produced and sold their goods to the people in the colonial states. One of the many reasons those states couldn't develop properly under imperialism. Read more about the Indian Boycott and the Indian freedom movement.

That is not a very sensible critique. "We aren't the cause this time because this has happened before and we weren't the cause then." Quite frankly, it seems almost completely implausible that we aren't a major cause of global warming. To put it another way, humans have been changing the chemical makeup of our atmosphere through massive emissions of various compounds over the last 100 or so years. It's incredibly likely that this change in atmospheric content has had some effect. As to what effect exactly, a good guess would be the observable changes in climate, especially since carbon emissions correllate so directly with global temperature. Not all things that happen in sequence have a cause-effect relationship, but all cause-effect relationships happen in sequence.

Of course it's sensible. We are fully aware that changes like this can and do happen on a regular basis without the existence of Humans, nevermind our modern technological industry. Why, then, should we presume that this instance is an exception to those, except through an arrogant presumption that we are oh-so-important and that nothing can happen unless we're involved? What about the fact that Mars is undergoing global warming, and her icecaps are melting? Could the sun perchance have something to do with that? Or is that somehow our fault as well?

As to emissions - you're right about cause-effect relationships happening in sequence. What you're wrong about is the sequence. Temperature changes happen first, and then emissions change. Usually several hundred years later.

In the end, it doesn't really matter if we're the main reason or just a co-factor for the climate change. The problem is that we're adopted to exactly this very sort of climate. Be it a temperature raise or fall of X degrees, more or less humility or any other climatic change, it -will- harm us.

The solution the nature found in the past for beings that have adopted to their climate was evolution. A rat with born with furry tails survived and gave off-spring while the rat with a sleek tail died. It was always the survival of the fittest and the change of species from one climate to another.

Now, this doesn't really work for humans. We don't live outside anymore and, as far as I'm aware, we don't simply let the weaker people die. The argumentation of the US for not signing the Kyoto, ergo "it'll harm our economy", is therefore completely gullies. A climate change means that living will cost a whole lot more. Instead of being able to sleep with open windows in summer, we'd have to either heat the room or cool it down, which in return will eat up more energy resulting in even higher pollution raters. People, especially in poorer states, who will not be able to afford this sort of maintenance will be doomed to the survival of the fittest mechanism and, maybe, they're evolve into the next species. However, this'll mean a whole lot of dead bodies lying around for a good number of generations.

In other words, either we try minimising our effects on the environment now or our kids will have one hell of an energy bill to pay. We can't prevent it from happening, but we can win some valuable time. Saying that environmental care is far less important than building a strong economy is one of the most egoistic things one can do.

That being said, I hate Green Peace and other organisations of that sort.

OOC:	This is about polution, not music. Move to EoEO please.

[Shattered Dreamer]

To answer Heath. The Green Party are in government in Ireland with Fianna Fail(largest party we have),two progressive democrat mp's & some independants.

Discord cheers for the slap across the head. But the modern United States still have not polluted the world quite as much as the old British Empire did.