Ps3 Price Drop

[Nifleheim7]

The second one is because i'm waiting for the next versions to come out.By then all the bugs will be cleared and maybe it's price will drop more.
Also there's not even one PS3 game that interests me atm.

As I posted earlier; retailers are estimating the PS3 failure rate at less than 1%. I doubt waiting will get you any better odds of not getting a faulty console.

I also find it hard to believe there's nothing that interests you on the PS3. I may hate the looks of the gaming lineups for the Wii and Xbox 360, but even I have to admit to one or two titles on each that I want to play (far from enough to get me to buy either of them, but still).

Yeah,i know about the low failure rate and these are very good news,but i still find it hard to trust 500+euros at sony.I had a first gen ps2 but one year ago i had to buy a new one because my first one refused to play any new games.
As for the games,i was talking about the currently released ones.And yes out of them nothing interests me (at least enough to buy the console).Of course it has many games that i want to play but they are still developed and they will come out later (FFXIII,Unknown Realms,White Knight Story,DMC4,to name a few)
I will definately buy a PS3 but not before next summer.

[Croyles]

It definitely is still expensive, but in my opinion you get what you pay for. There are many great games coming out in Aug, Sep, Oct, Nov and Dec, not to mention next year. Heavenly Sword, Haze, Warhawk, Lair, Uncharted: Drake's Fortune and more all look to be great games, and their coming out before the end of the year. I guess people are a little anxious of buying new IP, and would rather just go for a console when its got many sequels to their beloved games

[JKTrix]

"You Get What You Pay For." That's an interesting quote. I think people should "Know What You're Getting When You Get What You Pay For."

$600 for a box to play video games is too expensive. That's what the majority of gamers are seeing, since all they'll want a PS3 for is for the games.

But the PS3 isn't just a game system. It's a High Def blu-ray playing multimedia powerhouse, beyond-cutting-edge technological marvel and whatnot. All of that extra stuff makes it 'worth' $600.

But the gamer doesn't care about all the extra stuff, all they see is "It's going to cost me $500/$600 to play [random PS3 game]?" The cost doesn't make sense to them if they don't see/know/care about the extra stuff.

[Croyles]

JKTrix If people want to "Know What You're Getting When You Get What You Pay For.", they need to read it up, im not going to start writing a 10 page list of everything the PS3 can do
I think gamers should care about the 'extra' features like blu-ray. Blu-ray is what is already making some of the titles that are coming out possible, games with 25gb of data, like Lair for example. The amount of data in games is increasing very fast, in fact the speed at which it increases multiplies, like it does with everything else.
I can obviously understand that a lot of people still dont want to invest in a console like that yet, but i definitely think its the future.

[JKTrix]

I wasn't exactly instructing you to list the features :P If one cares enough about it, they will look it up themselves.

People like you and me 'get it'. (I have a PS3, if you didn't know.) I understand why it costs what it does, even if I don't agree with it. I would not have bought the PS3 when I did were it not for this software emulation thing, but as I mentioned that's what tipped me over.

While I agree that the BluRay's storage capabilities (50 GB max) is great, that does come with practical downsides:
-More data=longer load times. If you don't want to bear with the load times, you can install the game onto your harddrive, and that actually works like a dream. However,
-Installing onto harddrive takes up space. (Duh!) The amount of time it takes to actually install is understandably substantial, so I'm not complaining about that. (While I didn't exactly time how long it took for Ninja Gaiden to install, I started to watch a video while it was going on. When the install ended, my video was around the 8 minute mark.) I only have 2 'installed' BluRay games on my PS3, and that's VF5 and Ninja Gaiden. Upon downloading the MGS4 trailer this morning, I noticed I had 39 GBs of free space left. I was surprised that so much of my 60 GB harddrive space had been eaten by 2 games.

Not to say the 2 games alone took up 21 GBs. Boring details in spoilers. Skip past for the result.
(SPOILER)-This is mostly anecdotal evidence, as I don't have my PS3 here to check the real numbers.
I only own 2 other games, Resistance and Gundam Musou, and those read off the disc. I have 4 demos installed (Genji, Armored Core, Ninja Gaiden, Rub a dub) and one HD video of around 250 megs. Above all that, I have 3 full PS2 cards installed on my drive. Assuming the demos are 1GB each (they are not), all of the other data that I loaded myself should only be 4.5 GB. Add to that around 2 GBs of system data and updates, and that's 6.5 GBs of data used for stuff that is not installed games.

60GBs (PS3 max storage) minus 6.5 GBs (other data) = 53.5 GBs remaining space.

So if my current 'remaining disk space' after installing 2 games is 39 GBs:

53.5 GBs - 39 GBs = 14.5 GBs.

Those two installed games together equal at least 14.5 GBs. That's 1/4 of the 60GB PS3's total storage on 2 games. It's an understandable sacrifice to increase the game's performance, though I can see problems arising in the future when more games come down the line. When I'm low on space, I'll be forced to either delete another (frequently played) game's data, or endure the potentially long load times.

So this future of gaming is great, but it comes with strings attached.

[Croyles]

Yeah thats true, I have Ninja Gaiden Sigma and Oblivion installed on my PS3 and they both take around 4gb each, but i'll never be playing more than 4 games at any one time, so if i have a lot of game date on my hdd, ill just back the older games up on another device. Well since oblivion for the ps3 installs on the hdd to greatly decrease loading time, it takes up 4gb. I can fit that on my usb stick or pretty much anything else I can think of and then just transfer it on my PC. Compatible media devices are increasing quickly . Pretty much all portable hard drives are increasing their space and cutting prices really fast. I remember when a 1gb usb stick was 80 pounds, now I can find 4gb ones for 10 pounds.

Or if you still dont have the little amount of money it takes to buy something very cheap like that once your disk space runs out, wich will still take a while mind you, you can always just delete the game data, keep the game saves and if a year later you feel like playing that old classic again, i dont think its much hassle waiting for 5 minutes for it to install on your hard drive.
I remember waiting for FFXI to instal, download the updates and then also install them, now THAT was a pain
That game takes like what, 20 gigs? lol

BTW, what games do you have?
I have Motorstorm, Oblivion, Ninja Gaiden Sigma and Resistance: Fall of Man

[Slothy]

I only have 2 'installed' BluRay games on my PS3, and that's VF5 and Ninja Gaiden. Upon downloading the MGS4 trailer this morning, I noticed I had 39 GBs of free space left. I was surprised that so much of my 60 GB harddrive space had been eaten by 2 games.

Not to say the 2 games alone took up 21 GBs. Boring details in spoilers. Skip past for the result.

This is mostly anecdotal evidence, as I don't have my PS3 here to check the real numbers.
I only own 2 other games, Resistance and Gundam Musou, and those read off the disc. I have 4 demos installed (Genji, Armored Core, Ninja Gaiden, Rub a dub) and one HD video of around 250 megs. Above all that, I have 3 full PS2 cards installed on my drive. Assuming the demos are 1GB each (they are not), all of the other data that I loaded myself should only be 4.5 GB. Add to that around 2 GBs of system data and updates, and that's 6.5 GBs of data used for stuff that is not installed games.

60GBs (PS3 max storage) minus 6.5 GBs (other data) = 53.5 GBs remaining space.

So if my current 'remaining disk space' after installing 2 games is 39 GBs:

53.5 GBs - 39 GBs = 14.5 GBs.

Those two installed games together equal at least 14.5 GBs.

You're forgetting that 5GB is automatically allocated to the PS3's operating system, so the total is actually about 55GB. Also, although I don't have Ninja Gaiden, going by Croyles comment that it take up about 4GB means that between that and VF5, they're only taking up about 6-7GB (VF's install is roughly 2-2.5GB). Resistance also has a 160MB (give or take) install, though that isn't substantial. I don't know how large the MGS4 trailer is since I haven't been able to log into the Playstation Network lately (it's a problem resulting from the 1.80 firmware I haven't bothered trying to fix yet), but unless it's a few GB you likely have some larger files on the PS3 than you realize. I have several trailers, CD's, the Gran Turismo demo, and several game installs/save files (more than you list) and I've hit the point where I have 39GB left.

The beauty of the system though is that, as Croyles said, you can always back stuff up, or just delete older installs you aren't using to make room for new games, or if you want, you can always replace the HDD with a bigger one.

[Roto13]

If you're hardcore enough to still play your old PS2 games on your PS3 then you're the type of person that would keep their PS2. New game consoles are for new games (and new releases of old favorites for insane prices).

People often sell their old systems if they can play their old games on a new one. That's what I'm doing with my Game Cube. There's also the issue of not wanting a bunch of consoles hooked up to one TV. The PS3 is supposed to cover three generations. That's two extra consoles.

Okay, PS3 for Christmas. Hmm, then again, I really do need to wait for all the "bugs to be cleared."

*cough*PlayStation 3 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia*cough*

I'd say it's pretty safe to buy a PS3. Honestly, it's the best built system I've ever seen and I really haven't even heard of any problems so far. It seems that Sony certainly learned their lessons from providing shoddy first-gen hardware in the past.

HAHA... okay so my friend in always like "OMG all's PS3's do is break! Wii's rule!" So I'm like "I hate Nintendo but just to proove you wrong..." So I bought a Wii. It was broken!!! YAY!

I'd be willing to bet that even people like dreddz and Vivi22 find you annoying.

EDIT: Oh, snaps.

[Croyles]

Yeah, this is what I stated in another thread. They are gonna discontinue it after the supply runs out. Note that this doesnt only include the supplies at retailers but at sony themselves, so the deal will last quite a long time.

[Rase]

Kaz's Clarification (aka what Croyles was referencing)

SCEA has subsequently confirmed the phase out, but emphasized that it would be gradual. "The 60GB PS3 will be available in North America for $499 until supplies of that unit are depleted," Karraker told GameSpot in a follow-up interview. "We have ample inventory to meet the immediate needs of consumers in this territory for several months to come."

Karraker also responded to criticism that loudly promoting the new $499 price point while quietly discontinuing its production amounted to a bait and switch. "This is absolutely not a bait and switch," he said. "We are offering a full featured PS3 for $100 lower than the original price and will do so for months to come, allowing consumers the opportunity to acquire this model at this adjusted price."

[Slothy]

While this seems like a bad thing on the face of things, I wouldn't be surprised to see the 80GB model drop to $499 (or less if Sony's feeling generous) once the 60GB models are gone. Right now, the 80GB is coming with 20GB extra and a game. Lose the game and by Christmas it could easily be sold for $499. The fact that they have said they will re-evaluate the market strategy once the 60GB units are gone tells me they're probably planning to immediately drop the price of the 80GB model.

[Croyles]

Yeah, just dont tell that to too many people. Otherwise it will never happen.

[Roto13]

I doubt removing the game from the deal would drop the price a whole $100.

[Croyles]

I doubt removing the game from the deal would drop the price a whole $100.

I dont get your point. The price is likely to drop again. If it does, it will be when the 60gb has sold out and the only thing left is the 80gb. Seeing as how the 60gb is now $499 it would be pretty stupid to increase the price. Therefore, when the 60gb has sold out, the $599 80gb will probably instead be sold at $499 without the game.
They will never limit the PS3 distribution method to bundles only, because that would be stupid.

[grim07]

300 bucks, and thats as high as I'll go.