How much did Final Fantasy VII revolutionise the series?

[Goldenboko]

2. The analogy to the moon was correct, and can also be contributed to anything man was "expected" to do. It was always expected that our technology would take us into space. It was always expected that we would be able to build machines that would let us fly. It was always expected that our technology would advance. But that didnt make any of those things less revolutionary, and nethier should FF VII, being the first 3D FF, just because video games were "expected" to go that route.

Trying to back that analogy is not working for you. Go back to 1000AD, and tell them that we're going to make it to the moon using rockets which let us fly. They'll probably call you some kind of witch/vampire/madman and kill you. In fact go back to when Sputnik was launched and say, "Hey! We'll beat them Ruskies to the moon!" and even then not everyone will believe you.

3. The way it was revolutionized (and yes, you guys have said revolutionized, go back and read what you wrote) mostly is in the graphics. Its the first 3D FF. Plain and simple. Why argue that? THAT is revolutionary for the Final Fantasy series, as every single one AFTER that is 3D (cept for the old school remakes). True, it was "expected" to go 3D, but so was man expected to go into space. But Neil Armstrong is still revolutionary for being the first one, and FF VII is still revolutionary for being the first 3D FF. Nothing you can say or do will change that. Its revolutionary, no matter how small or big. No matter if it sucked or not, NO OTHER FF BEFORE IT LOOKED LIKE IT.

That has nothing to do with FFVII though. That has to do with the revolutionary aspects of the PS1. In fact using your example... us actually getting to the moon wasn't important at all. What good has that done for us? What was revolutionary was that us going to the moon showed how revolutionary our rockets, and NASA was. Just as FFVII wasn't the actual revolution, it just showed how revolutionary the PS1 was.

4. I win (and yes, thats just to spite you)

If your winning right now I can't imagine what you look like losing :rolleyes2

I dont know what further to add. He thinks that us landing on the moon wasnt important. It was NASA showing off. I mean, forget the entire mankind exploring outer space, forget maybe finding another planet to live on.

So you continue to say that FF VII has 3D graphics because of the playstation. True. So? That doesnt change the fact that its the first 3D final fantasy. Like I said, I dont care if it was on the N64 first, it dont matter WHAT system, its STILL the first 3D FF. Plain and simple.

I broke down your bull ps1 argument. face facts man. you cant get around it. ill put it in caps, so you can understand.

ITS THE FIRST 3D FINAL FANTASY.

Revolutionary. Yes.

I win. Again.

NEXT.

No you didn't. Not at all. In fact you didn't even read my statement, you're in such a rush to call bull at whatever I say and declare you win that you don't try and learn from the debate. Us being able to get to the moon is important. Us actually going to the moon isn't as important, have we gotten any resources from the moon? Or perhaps we've begun moving people there?

No we've gotten nothing revolutionary from the moon, what was important was us showing we can travel through space and land on other planets, moons, or whatever.

Now... The Final Fantasy VII's graphics were not revolutionary, because the game itself didn't give us those graphics, the PS1 did.

So what I was saying is...
The PS1 is to Final Fantasy VII's Graphics as
Shuttles and NASA are to the moonlanding