How much did Final Fantasy VII revolutionise the series?

[Goldenboko]

1. There was no N64 demo.

YouTube - Final Fantasy Tech Demo N64

You were saying?

2. So, the Playstation takes the credit for FFVII's graphics? FF VII had NOTHING to do with how it look, it was all the system, hm? Do you have any idea how a game is made? If what you are saying is true, then ALL Playstation games would look the same. And they dont. Its the first 3D FF. Get used to it.

Again you disregard my analogy. The PS1 gave FFVII the capability to make advanced 3D graphics. Besides the 1st 3D FF is hardly "revolutionary". 3D was not some crazy far out idea. I can go all the way back to a game called Sonic 3D Blast on the Sega Genesis to find 3D games. Being the first at something isn't always revolutionary, lots of times its not even good. Look at Sonic's popularity, its 3D games have NEVER been as successful as its 2D games, nor has they're jump to 3D been conisdered revolutionary.

3. Back to the moon thing. It was revolutionary. We HAVE sent more then just " a few" men into space since then: As of June 13, 2007, a total of 460 humans from 39 countries have gone into space according to the FAI guideline, while 466 people qualify under the U.S. definition. Of those totals, 456 people have reached Earth orbit or beyond and 24 people have traveled beyond Low Earth Orbit. Space travelers have spent over 30,000 person-days (or a cumulative total of over 82 years) in space, including over 100 person-days of spacewalks.

4. The benefit of landing on the moon was so we could explore and see what the moons surface is like, and whether or not it was inhabitable for humans.

Again, please read my argument before trying to refute it. I said getting to the moon wasn't the actually revolutionary part, NASA showing its capabilities was, which is much like how FFVII isn't the actual revolutionary part, PS1's capabilities are. But really I'm done with this moonman argument because it has very little to do with the subject, it was more or less you not reading my analogy.

5. None of that changes the fact that FF VII is THE FIRST 3D FF IN THE SERIES. NOTHING YOU CAN SAY WILL CHANGE THAT.

I haven't tried to change that. That was NEVER my side of the argument. My argument has been testing the revolutionary aspect of it being in 3D, and you've done very little to convince me that it is revolutionary. 3D had been done before, and 3D is not always success.

I think what my man grim is trying to say is that FFVII set the trend for the following FF's. By no means was it 'expected' to go 3d as a 'natural progression', DQ (which birthed FF) only went 3d 2 years ago, and there are countless rpgs during and after VII's time that are 2d.

That doesn't seem like what he's saying, but at the same time, setting a trend is hardly revolutionary. FFIV set a trend for storytelling, FFI started a trend for gameplay. They've all started trends, MORE is needed for it to be revolutionary.

A final piece of my argument. You defined revolutionary as a sudden drastic change. 3D wasn't a sudden drastic change in the gaming world, many other games had 3D graphics before, so it wasn't very sudden or drastic at all.