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    Quote Originally Posted by Great Sephiroth View Post
    Okay, you explain it very well, perfectly. But i dont understand one thing: Why Necron wants to return everything to Zero World, why it wants to stop life???
    Necron never says "I need to destroy the crystal to save life." He believes that life leads to fear and ultimately suffering and that the only cure is total destruction. He thought life finally understood this when Kuja tried to destroy the Crystal.

    Necron doesn't want to "stop" life; he wants to give it the world that he believes it desires.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Great Sephiroth View Post
    Okay, you explain it very well, perfectly. But i dont understand one thing: Why Necron wants to return everything to Zero World, why it wants to stop life???
    Necron never says "I need to destroy the crystal to save life." He believes that life leads to fear and ultimately suffering and that the only cure is total destruction. He thought life finally understood this when Kuja tried to destroy the Crystal.

    Necron doesn't want to "stop" life; he wants to give it the world that he believes it desires.
    No he does want to "stop life" what he believes will come after is different, but he clearly says "s "I exist for one purpose... To return everything back to the zero world, where there is no life and no crystal to give life." And thats straight from the game script.

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    Here's what Garland has to say when Zidane talks to him on Terra:

    Garland: "Are you referring to Kuja's ambition? Or to our plan to
    disrupt the cycle of souls?"

    Zidane: "Both! And what exactly do you gain by disrupting that cycle
    of souls, or whatever..."

    Garland: "We must sort the souls. I want to disrupt Gaia's cycle and
    drain its souls, filling the void with the souls of Terra. To
    speed the cycle of souls is to speed the work as a whole. Thus,
    war... And in time... Gaia's souls are gone, and Gaia becomes
    Terra."

    Zidane: "But...how!?"

    Garland: "You saw it with your own eyes. You saw the Iifa Tree and
    the Mist it emits. The role of the Iifa Tree is that of Soul
    Divider. The Mist you see comprises the stagnant souls of
    Gaia..."

    Zidane: "Oh yeah? But we stopped the Mist! So much for that!"

    Garland: "All you saw was the back of the tree... Even now, the Iifa
    Tree blocks the flow of Gaia's souls, while it lets those of
    Terra flow freely. Come and see for yourself. See the true
    form of this planet."

    [In the next screen, Zidane sees a picture of Gaia starting to redden.]

    Zidane: "What is this?"

    Garland: "Think of it as an observatory. A place to measure the radiance
    of Gaia and Terra."

    Zidane: "What are you talking about? And what is this weird light?"

    Garland: "That is the center of the planet. The end and the beginning
    of the cycle of souls. The light remains Gaia's for now, but
    when the blue changes to crimson, all will belong to Terra,
    and its restoration will be complete. That is why I wrapped
    up the light in the Iifa Tree, to prevent the cycle of the
    judgment of souls on Gaia from inside the planet. Such is the
    Iifa Tree's true purpose, its true form. All you saw was its
    material form. The flow of Gaia's souls cannot be changed by
    stopping the disposal of the Mist."

    And here's what both Kuja and Necron say near the end of the game:

    Kuja: "Hmph. You honestly think you can beat me? Even if you do, Gaia's
    already doomed. Its assimilation by Terra has begun, and the Iifa
    Tree will incite a cataclysmic destruction of Gaia. It's all over
    for you and your friends. See. I win, either way."

    Zidane: "It doesn't matter! Even if Gaia is assimilated, the planet
    will remain, and we'll start over to make a new home. Kuja,
    you're nothing but a coward! If you're gonna die, leave us out
    of it!"

    Kuja: "Why should the world exist without me? That wouldn't be fair.
    If I die, we all die! Zidane, you will be my first sacrifice."

    [A surprise attack by Deathguise occurs, but they kill that, too.]

    Kuja: "How did they beat Deathguise...? Do you really think you can
    beat me?"

    [The party runs to Kuja.]

    Kuja: "I can't believe you beat Deathguise... Well...my time is almost
    up. Time to die, everyone!"

    [The party beats Trance Kuja, too.]

    Kuja: "Ugh... I'm gonna die anyway... I won't have to be afraid anymore...
    But I'm not gonna die alone. You're all coming with me!"

    [Kuja uses his Ultima Trance and knocks everyone out. The party wakes
    up on some unfamiliar terrain.]

    Zidane: "U-Ugh... What happened to the crystal...? ...Where is this?"

    Voice: "You stand before the final dimension, and I am the darkness
    of eternity..."

    Zidane: "Wh-Who are you!?"

    Voice: "All life bears death from birth. Life fears death, but lives
    only to die. It starts with anxiety. Anxiety becomes fear. Fear
    leads to anger...anger leads to hate...hate leads to suffering...
    The only cure for this fear is total destruction. Kuja was a
    victim of his own fear. He concluded he could only save himself
    by destroying the origin of all things--the crystal."

    Zidane: "What the heck are you talking about? Why are you telling me
    all this?"

    Voice: "...Now, the theory is undeniable. Kuja's actions prove it. All
    things live to perish. At last, life has uncovered this truth.
    Now, it is time to end this world."

    Zidane: "Wh-What do you mean by that?"

    Voice: "I exist for one purpose... To return everything back to the
    zero world, where there is no life and no crystal to give life.
    In a world of nothing, fear does not exist. This is the world
    that all life desires."

    Zidane: "Who the hell do you think you are!? You're not ending anything!
    Never, not as long as we have the will to live!"

    Voice: "Foolish creature... Your fears have already deluded you. One
    day, you will choose destruction over existence, as Kuja did.
    When he sought to destroy the crystal, the purpose of life ended.
    Now, come... Enter the zero world that you desire."

    Zidane: "No! We'll destroy you and prove you wrong! And through our
    memories, future generations will see that we can overcome any
    fear! ...We can't give up now. ...We have to fight together.
    Even if we lose, it doesn't matter... Our memories will live
    on inside others. So, even if we are born to die, I'm not
    afraid. I'm gonna live!"

    ...

    Zidane: "We've come too far to lose now. Let's just wrap this up
    and go home...all of us."
    Freya: "You don't stand a chance against us! We shall prevail!"

    [The battle with the entity (Necron), and they lay a humanity-sized
    smackdown on it.]

    Necron: "Why defy your fate?"

    [The party members teleport out of the Hill of Despair.]

    Necron: "Is the will to live that powerful...?"

    [Necron starts to go kaboom, crumbling.]

    Necron: "This is not the end. I am eternal... ...as long as there is
    life and death..."

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Unknown Guru View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Great Sephiroth View Post
    Okay, you explain it very well, perfectly. But i dont understand one thing: Why Necron wants to return everything to Zero World, why it wants to stop life???
    Necron never says "I need to destroy the crystal to save life." He believes that life leads to fear and ultimately suffering and that the only cure is total destruction. He thought life finally understood this when Kuja tried to destroy the Crystal.

    Necron doesn't want to "stop" life; he wants to give it the world that he believes it desires.
    No he does want to "stop life" what he believes will come after is different, but he clearly says "s "I exist for one purpose... To return everything back to the zero world, where there is no life and no crystal to give life." And thats straight from the game script.
    Also from the game script: "All life bears death from birth. Life fears death, but lives only to die. It starts with anxiety. Anxiety becomes fear. Fear leads to anger...anger leads to hate...hate leads to suffering... The only cure for this fear is total destruction."

    "In a world of nothing, fear does not exist. This is the world that all life desires."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Great Sephiroth View Post
    Okay, you explain it very well, perfectly. But i dont understand one thing: Why Necron wants to return everything to Zero World, why it wants to stop life???
    Necron never says "I need to destroy the crystal to save life." He believes that life leads to fear and ultimately suffering and that the only cure is total destruction. He thought life finally understood this when Kuja tried to destroy the Crystal.

    Necron doesn't want to "stop" life; he wants to give it the world that he believes it desires.
    No he does want to "stop life" what he believes will come after is different, but he clearly says "s "I exist for one purpose... To return everything back to the zero world, where there is no life and no crystal to give life." And thats straight from the game script.
    Also from the game script: "All life bears death from birth. Life fears death, but lives only to die. It starts with anxiety. Anxiety becomes fear. Fear leads to anger...anger leads to hate...hate leads to suffering... The only cure for this fear is total destruction."

    "In a world of nothing, fear does not exist. This is the world that all life desires."
    I was just pointing out that technically he planned to end life. The said the world would be happier without it does not change the fact he wanted to end it.

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    Seriously? People believe that Necron is the Iifa Tree? No offense but the evidence for it seems to be a stretch of the imagination IMHO...

    I'm with Big D on this one. Dr. Tot mentions "a great power sealed in the crystal" the murial on the wall in the summoners village relays the story as well... I figured the Summoners accidentally summoned Necron using all their power as well as the crystal and then sealed him again when they realized they couldn't control him. Ultimately, Necron can be thought of as the embodiment of Death as well as a clever tribute to the Cloud of Darkness from FFIII.

    If you remember correctly, the Cloud of Darkness (Void) was a force of nature whose goal is to reduce everything to nothing... sounds like the Zero Wolrd to me

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf Kanno View Post
    Seriously? People believe that Necron is the Iifa Tree? No offense but the evidence for it seems to be a stretch of the imagination IMHO...
    Well, if you say it like that it does. Its believe that Necron may be the core, that is used to stop the flow of souls, which seems to make sense seeing as when the party dies they show up in front of Necron.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ReloadPsi View Post
    Yes, apparently Necron is alluded to throughout the game, but they did a bad job of telling us.
    That's one of the things that irritated me about this game. I finally defeat Kuja, think I'm actually finished the game, then suddenly this great big bleedin' monster pops out of somewhere in the plot and I have to fight him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf Kanno View Post
    Dr. Tot mentions "a great power sealed in the crystal" the murial on the wall in the summoners village relays the story as well...
    ...They aren't talking about Alexander?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Crystal View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf Kanno View Post
    Dr. Tot mentions "a great power sealed in the crystal" the murial on the wall in the summoners village relays the story as well...
    ...They aren't talking about Alexander?
    The stories give the impression something "bad" was sealed. Though I doubt anyone would argue that Alexander isn't a "badass" after it's fight with Bahamut at least Alexander seemed like it can be controlled. Besides, Alexander was summoned with the help of only two shards of the crystal; Necron appears after the complete crystal is destroyed.

    Also to Boko... hey I'm allowed to be a serious asshole at least three times a year

    But to counter, if Necron is believed to be the antithesis of the Crystal which is life. Then Necron can be thought of as an avatar of death thus dying of any sorts means you'll probably meet him. I seriously see no real in game evidence to suggest he's a core to the Iifa Tree.

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