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    Final Fantasy X is by far the worst Final Fantasy game I have ever played and easily a benchmark for “bad” in the genre. Everything about it is categorically awful; the gameplay, the story, the characters, the graphics...none of it is done right. I feel bad for playing it. I feel bad for buying it thinking "IX was good, and I liked some of the earlier games, so this can't be that bad".

    The story...well, what little story there is is incredibly insulting. It draws on countless old cliches, the corrupt church, absurd technophobia, one powerful, world-defining evil, a crusade of a small group of people to save the world, the love story...nothing it does is new or clever. This would be fine if it did well in doing these things. But it doesn't. The revelation of the true nature of the church is ridiculously forced as a plot device and comes off barely believable. Nobody seems to care. And when the truth is discovered, the church is hilariously inept at covering it up. This is not characteristic of the implementation of this particular cliché – in fact, it emphasises how awful the implementation actually is. We're basically meant to believe a bunch of retards have been ruling the world for a couple hundred years. The technophobia...well, the less said the better; it was only ever touched on when doing so was convenient (or to emphasise how much of a filthy racist Wakka is). Machines are a-okay in Spira as long as they don't matter to the plot or bad characterisation!

    Okay, you're thinking, but surely all FF gams have had the great evil and the crusade against it as focal points for the story – surely they're done well! Well, no, they're not. Sin is almost as ineffectual as the church when it comes to doing what it's supposed to do. It's pretty much dropped as a plot point for a considerable section of the game where the focus shifts to “OMG ISN'T SEYMOUR EVIL” instead of “This horrible monster is destroying the world we need to do something about it”. Sin really doesn't do an awful lot after the early game. There isn't a need for it to, what is in effect a giant fish can't drive the plot as well as a badly written religious man.

    I want to stop for a moment and have you all appreciate that last sentence: at no point during the game is Sin ever shown as being capable of moving onto the land to wreck . It is depicted in almost all cases as a big and really angry fish. The place it's fought in the final battle with other summoners is a stretch of land right next to the sea. Apparently the people of Spira are retarded (like their church) and so don't just move inland to avoid this threat. Nevermind! It doesn't matter! Just a piddly little detail that we can overlook when necessary - what matters is our contrived and scarcely believable love story!

    And Jesus Christ is it a badly written love story. For some reason, we are expected to believe some of the worst written characters ever conceived in a Final Fantasy are emotionally mature enough to fall in love – when most of the time you get the impression they're barely able to survive walking around outside. Tidus is a spoiled, narcissistic child of a celebrity – he is the Paris Hilton of the dream world he lived in before arriving in Spira. He even looks like Paris. Yuna is the Paris Hilton of Spira, but so sheltered that that is not an apt comparison; Yuna is a creepy, homeschooled version of Paris Hilton. The kind of person Paris would be were her parents crazy fundamentalists. Neither of them seem to appreciate the scope of their quest (Tidus in particular, but that's because he's an ignorant smurf about pretty much everything) and spend most of their time pissing around trying to whistle and laughing like a pair of spastics because that's what you do when the fate of the world is resting on your shoulders. Just what they see in each other we are never really told – Tidus, we can assume, is just really shallow and knows Rikku is underage; Yuna, well, I suppose you could argue that she was attracted to Tidus' energy. Like a moth drawn to the flame, only the moth is a coddled, needy child and the flame is a retard with ADD.

    The rest of the cast, all things considered, are not any better. The most tolerable of them are Rikku and Auron; the former being the generic cheerful schoolgirl and Auron being the stereotypical middle-aged badass. Neither of them have many redeeming qualities, and I say this despite having an incredible weakness for bubbly characters like Rikku. They're just genre stereotypes. Which I guess is why they look best, because the others aren't; they're monstrous creations all Square's own.

    Wakka is, as aforementioned, a filthy racist. And everyone in the party – including the girl he'd be discriminating against were he actually able to identify the kind of person he discriminates against – are perfectly okay with it. It's who Wakka is, and really, what he is is Spira's Redneck trash. There's no need to admonish him for it! He even has the obsession with a game that he's bad at to fit with that. I wonder if he started beating Lulu after they got married?

    Speaking of Lulu, there is practically nothing to really say about her. She's there for fanservice. She has no discernable personality – what you learn about her in Besaid is all you will ever learn about her and all you ever need to know about her. SHE HAS BOOBS. That's what matters! We do learn in X-2 that she also has horrible taste in men, because she does marry that redneck Wakka.

    Kimahri, I hope, is a hero for all you FF nerds out there. He is basically what you are – meek, passive-aggressive, and totally worthless to society. When ordered by Auron to take care of the child Yuna, he goes ahead and watches her for years and years as though he's afraid some dying man is going to beat the out of him if he doesn't. It dawned on me that maybe, maybe he's doing it because of how utterly pathetic he is; he has nothing else to do. Nothing else he can do. Everyone else in his tribe had the sense to disown him when they had the chance. All that'd be left for him without Yuna is to become a circus animal or turn tricks on a street corner in Luca.

    I want to close by talking about the gameplay. Well, more specifically, the lack of it. There is no challenge or intelligent thought involved in playing the game. If you play through every storyline battle and a decent amount of your random encounters, it is impossible to die. This is because you can't be bad at mashing X. The fact there were still random encounters in the game is also a testament to how horrible it is – any developer worth their salt would recognise it's an archaic system from a time when memory constraints stopped you from placing enemies on the overworld map. Apparently no one told Square, and we got a relic of a gameplay system to go with a poorly devised battle system. And Jesus, Blitzball. I almost forgot Blitzball. It's not possible to lose at Blitzball, either. Not unless you failed to get the Jecht Shot, which you can spam to win every game. There is no challenge to the game and there is no enjoyment to it – it's like a football game only it's crawling with pointless numbers.

    So. Guys. Tell me how this isn't the worst game in the series. Seriously. I can't see anything resembling a defense of this mess. Even VIII beats this and VIII was a joke.
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    You sound like a troll, particularly because you constantly insult the fans of this game.

    Tidus and Yuna used their whistles as a signal between themselves, and they were laughing because they were trying to lighten themselves up.
    That's why the laughing scene is so horrible: they laugh in a forced way.

    No strategy involved?
    So you don't think having to use specific characters for specific enemies is a kind of strategy?
    Alright, have fun trying to kill the flyers with Auron.

    By the way, have you even finished this game?
    Didn't you notice that Sin can fly?
    So why would people care about moving away from the sea?
    They would get mauled from the air instead.

    We have already had every single kind of character in endless games already, so stereotypical characters are inevitable.
    Why does it matter so much, anyway?
    Learn to like the characters for what they actually are instead.

    Not hard?
    Tell that to everyone that have trouble with Flux, Braska's Final Aeon and Penance.
    If millions of fans keep dying in the same game, it makes the game hard. -.-
    Yes, the afore-mentioned bosses become a breeze once you've learnt how to deal with them, but advanced physics and discrete math also becomes cake once you've learnt it; so saying that a game is easy just because you've found out strategies is a huge mistake.
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    Yeah but think about under tiduses shirt i know whats there ^w^ it's hot so don't forget that...Shirtles people everywhere in spira and i have such a short attentionspan i didn't even read 3 words of your insult

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godhand View Post
    I want to close by talking about the gameplay. Well, more specifically, the lack of it. There is no challenge or intelligent thought involved in playing the game. If you play through every storyline battle and a decent amount of your random encounters, it is impossible to die. This is because you can't be bad at mashing X. The fact there were still random encounters in the game is also a testament to how horrible it is – any developer worth their salt would recognise it's an archaic system from a time when memory constraints stopped you from placing enemies on the overworld map. Apparently no one told Square, and we got a relic of a gameplay system to go with a poorly devised battle system. And Jesus, Blitzball. I almost forgot Blitzball. It's not possible to lose at Blitzball, either. Not unless you failed to get the Jecht Shot, which you can spam to win every game. There is no challenge to the game and there is no enjoyment to it – it's like a football game only it's crawling with pointless numbers.
    This is the only point I'm going to argue on because frankly, everything else I bothered to read in your post has me thinking you either didn't play the whole game or skipped most of the later conversations and story scenes (you seem to complain about aspects of characters, ignoring the development that took place with them by the end of the game).

    First off, show me an FF made since the NES days that can't be easily beaten by someone who fights most of the random battles they come across. With the possible exception of FFXII (though not even that if you never use gate crystals), you can't do it. FF's in general are quite easy. Most of the real challenge comes from optional quests and bosses. Second, this game had one of the most strategic battle systems in the series if you didn't go overleveling. Level too much and anything can be killed by pretty much mashing attack. That won't get you very far if you're a normal level though, nor with the monster arena bosses. Third, Square had planned to feature monsters on screen instead of random encounters. When it came down to it it couldn't be implemented in time, and at the end of the day, it doesn't really matter. I may prefer being able to see my enemies, but random encounters are still used by a lot of RPG's, even today, and they won't exactly kill you, or do that much to hurt the gameplay. I'll take a well made game with random encounters over a crappy one without if that's the choice, and FFX was a well made game.

    When you are able to do a little more than swear a lot about how much you hate this game and insulting FFX fans are for liking it, I'm sure a lot of people would be happy to debate the games merits with you.

    I would also like to close by saying that it was voted the best game of all time in Famitsu I believe. Someone can hopefully correct me if I've got the magazine wrong. It would seem you're in the minority then.

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    You sound like a troll, particularly because you constantly insult the fans of this game.
    I insulted the game, not it's fans. But due to your inability to distinguish this, I feel justified in now insulting you as an individual. Go back to school and learn how to read properly, retard.

    When you are able to do a little more than swear a lot about how much you hate this game and insulting FFX fans are for liking it, I'm sure a lot of people would be happy to debate the games merits with you.
    I think you missed the part (and by part I mean the whole post) where I explained that this game has no merits whatsoever.

    I would also like to close by saying that it was voted the best game of all time in Famitsu I believe. Someone can hopefully correct me if I've got the magazine wrong. It would seem you're in the minority then.
    Famitsu's opinion isn't work jack these days; they are in the hands of the fans who buy their magazine and have admitted such. That's why their top 100 games have nothing but RPGs, and that's why they put X at the top. Not because these games are good, but because people like you are the only people who buy their magazine and would stop when they pointed out to you that your favourite game sucks.


    Re-read my post, guys, you plainly failed to understand it on the first run through (probably because you are seething with NERD RAGE over this affront to your precious game). Everything that's in there is correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godhand View Post
    I insulted the game, not it's fans. But due to your inability to distinguish this, I feel justified in now insulting you as an individual. Go back to school and learn how to read properly, retard.
    Are you kidding me?
    Read the thing about Kimahri and why we liked "the worthless for society idiot" or whatever you were insinuating.

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    Godhand we do NOT insult other members on this site. There is, for example, no justification to call someone a "retard". Ever. Don't do it again if you want to stick around here.

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    As much as I like X, I can't hate on your comedy, the post had me laughing. You definately brought up alot of the flaws this game has.

    But i could go through any FF, RPG, or any game and tear it to shreds, it wouldn't matter. I still think this is a great game and one of the best in the series.

    I mean really, if that's what you think of FFX I would hate to see what you think of the rest of the series.

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    Why did you name yourself after a weapon in the game then?
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    I actually took my name from the video game GODHAND, because it is what all games should be. Hard, but fair. And really funny.

    I mean really, if that's what you think of FFX I would hate to see what you think of the rest of the series.
    I said VIII was better and that I held the rest of the series above this game. Do not project your opinion that X is the best in the series onto me, because I don't agree. I think it's the worst. XII was best because it highlighted what RPG gameplay actually is - a small series of "if statements" carried out by a player. And it had the least utterly embarassing cutscenes to watch of the more recent games.

    Earlier games like III are good because they didn't try hard as X with their characters and story and so had less room to become EPIC FAIL by doing them badly.

    Also VIII can't be gotten through by mashing X because the final bosses will hand your ass to you.

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    I also don't remember how Wakka is racist...
    And I mean X was innovative for the FF series
    Sphere Grid- Blitzball- Switching people midway through battle-The way summons work-
    Another thing...how many sidequests did you do? To me it seems life you played through the game doing nothing on the side, only playing to analyze every little word they say...
    Now I hardly ever leave the FF6 forums for they are my home (sometimes 11) but I fail to see the pack behind your punch...You just say stuff and then say "Ha! I am right!" maybe I'm wrong but I think you kinda shot the arrow a little too far from the target.
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    Wakka makes it quite clear he hates the Al Bhed.

    He probably has slurs like swirly-eyes or speaksstupid, but doesn't use them because obviously Wakka is a goddamn redneck and his insults aren't funny or clever, and he doesn't want to embarass himself more than he does already by simply existing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godhand View Post
    Wakka makes it quite clear he hates the Al Bhed.

    He probably has slurs like swirly-eyes or speaksstupid, but doesn't use them because obviously Wakka is a goddamn redneck and his insults aren't funny or clever, and he doesn't want to embarass himself more than he does already by simply existing.
    Wait...what?
    He PROBABLY has slurs???
    What you say makes no sense and has support in the game (excluding the first part). And what, people are not allowed to hate other people? Just like (EXAMPLE) a conservative hates liberals in general?

    And after reading your whole argument I just must say:
    "Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
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    The Al Bhed are a seperate race distinguished by the nature of their eyes in the same way blacks are a seperate race distinguished by their skin colour. Yuna, it is made quite clear, is a half caste.

    *snip*
    [foa]Nope! Wrong answer. We don't belittle other people at Eyes on Final Fantasy. Don't do it anymore.[/foa]
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