Which Villain Accomplished The Most?

[Gilthanes]

I never took city/town/castle sizes to be literal as to what you saw in game, If you did you'd have to assume that most people go and squat outside behind a tree to go to the bathroom, and that food was either uncooked or was magically cooked without kitchens.

Same goes for number of npcs you can interact with, and the actual number of people living on a planet.

[Serapy]

But if you want my proof, then the proof is that in the game of FF8, the characters specifically say that Ultimecia is a sorceress from the future. And think about where you went to go fight her. In the future.

Ultimeica is indeed a sorceress from the future, but that doesn't really prove how long has she been alive from the future. That's why I just guessed since it's self explanatory.

Though when it comes down to it, none of this really matters. How long you live isn't really an accomplishment that really determines how accomplished a villain compared to things like destroying things, and achieving power.

It's actually an accomplishment because longest survival proves that you have fought hard enough to survive. Longer survival = came from the potential of having strongest power, but in some cases, it all really depends. If you have died young, that does explain something, declared as a weakness.

The Crystal, I don't see how that's funny, what you said implied that you think you are more intelligent than us...

[The Crystal]

The Crystal, I don't see how that's funny, what you said implied that you think you are more intelligent than us...

Sorry if i give that impression to you. What happens is that i'm a little tired of people who say he is the most accomplished villain, just because he destroyed the world. A villain don't need to destroy or damage a world, to be successful.

[Forsaken Lover]

Kuja destroyed a Small, dying planet.

Sigh.

After four tremendous sacrifices, eternal prosperity seemed within reach...
Flora and fauna were revived, but...is still in stasis.
Final results...are still pending...

Not dying, thanks. Almost at eternal propserity actually.

All of the people there survived as well, by moving to Gaia.

Girl: He awaits where the souls sleep. The floating castle, where souls bide their time until their restoration... Pandemonium.

So, all the original people of Terra were destroyed.

[PuPu]

Ultimeica is indeed a sorceress from the future, but that doesn't really prove how long has she been alive from the future. That's why I just guessed since it's self explanatory.

First of all, if you have no proof to support your claims, then you cannot say it is true no matter what.

Ignoring the fact that you still say you have proved you are right even though your statement was nulled, you don't get it what I'm saying. If she really did exist since the beginning of mankind two things would most likely be true as well:

1. She would have already achieved time compression. She would have millions of years to achieve her goal and most likely would have accomplished it by then. But time was not compressed during Squall's time period.

2. She would have existed in Squall's time period. If a sorceress was alive during that time, people would have known it. People knew about Adel and Edea during their times. And if she existed during that time period, Squall and the gang wouldn't have had to go into the future to fight her.

Also, if she was alive during the creation of mankind, can you prove how she was alive? There is no proof that sorceresses have extended life periods and you also have no proof how she would artificially extend her life period, this does prove that you are purely making up things.

It's actually an accomplishment because longest survival proves that you have fought hard enough to survive. Longer survival = came from the potential of having strongest power, but in some cases, it all really depends. If you have died young, that does explain something, declared as a weakness.

Look at Adel. She was "alive" for about fifty more years because he was put in space into sleep and accomplished nothing. Does that prove that she fought hard to survive?

And also, being born with a longer lifespan does not prove you are stronger than something. Turtles are born with longer lifespans than humans; are they stronger than humans?

Not to mention you again, have no proof Ulti fought hard to survive.

And also, I'd like to add one more thing. Your only argument is: "I can't prove I'm right but you can't prove I'm wrong." If you actually want good debate, find some proof before trying to say things that you think are true.

[Bolivar]

This whole thread is basically a way for fanboys/girls to unleash their biasness against other games.

That being said, Kefka didn't destroy any world - he fried 1 town. Sephiroth didn't hide like a girl in his tower away from people and do that from a distance - he killed the people first and burned the b*tch down himself. He had balls.

Emporer Palamecia became the ruler of the world, destroying several towns at a simple order. He had balls.

X-Death also completely wiped several towns out of existence before being foiled. He, too, had balls.

Ultimecia basically killed everything in her own time period, including uncounted generations of SeeD's, elite warriors. She had ovaries.

See where I'm going with this?

[Forsaken Lover]

Sephiroth didnt' go out and kill Aeris. He stayed away in his big hole and manipulated people Hojo had injected with Jenova Cells.

So...it wasn't even his doing. He just got handed people he can control. Not even manipulate which takes brains. he just has power over their screwed up minds.

And if Kefka wanted a city destroyed, he shot a beam of light at it and goodbye.

[The Mog Ninja]

Yu-Yevon and Sin.

[Slothy]

That being said, Kefka didn't destroy any world - he fried 1 town.

Wrong actually. He unleashed his light of judgement against every town simply for fun. This was also after he had originally rearranged the face of the world and made it so that no new plants could grow from the land, essentially ensuring that everything on the planet was condemned to a slow death. And prior to becoming a god he had already killed all the espers and poisoned an entire kingdom. As much as you may want to argue that others accomplished more, none of them accomplished more in game, caused as much suffering, or had the sort of lasting effect he did on their world.

[Goldenboko]

That being said, Kefka didn't destroy any world - he fried 1 town. Sephiroth didn't hide like a girl in his tower away from people and do that from a distance - he killed the people first and burned the b*tch down himself. He had balls.

Someone is forgetting about the scene up in the floating island when he rearranged the face of the earth. Or how about taking down 7 espers? Or when at the end of the game he shot his Light of Judgement in all directions because you were annoying him a bit?

[ReloadPsi]

Kefka's the only villain who I think actually won... you had to pull your team back together for a rematch. He gets my vote. Now that the topic's gone on for four pages, doesn't anyone think it's time for a poll?

Come to think of it, FF1's Chaos could be something of a success story too: He caught the world in a 2000 year time loop, grabbed it by the balls, veiled the world in darkness and made everyone live in absolute misery. Over and over again. Thoughts anyone?

[Gilthanes]

I agree, time for a poll. Kefka, Exdeath, Kuja, Ultimecia, Yu Yevon/Sin etc head to head

[Bolivar]

That being said, Kefka didn't destroy any world - he fried 1 town.

Wrong actually. He unleashed his light of judgement against every town simply for fun. This was also after he had originally rearranged the face of the world and made it so that no new plants could grow from the land, essentially ensuring that everything on the planet was condemned to a slow death. And prior to becoming a god he had already killed all the espers and poisoned an entire kingdom. As much as you may want to argue that others accomplished more, none of them accomplished more in game, caused as much suffering, or had the sort of lasting effect he did on their world.

That must have been a pretty weak light considering every town in the world was the same as before it, except for Mobliz, who didn't even have their entire village wiped out or their structures torn down, just with a few holes in them. Nor did he kill all the espers as the party still had theres and even more were still alive in the world.

Also, he didn't poison an entire Kingdom - only the castle. Which also illustrates how much of a little girl Kefka is. He did it with poison from a safe distance. There were probably more people in the Shinra building than in the entire world of FFVI, much less Doma Castle.

As far as making everyone lose hope for an extended period of time, Meteor did that. The Void did that. The Imperial dominance of Palamecia did that. And the emporer/x-death destroyed several towns, not just 1. Ultimecia destroyed the entire world in her time. Not rearrange the structure, not just some of the population in one town, she killed EVERYONE.

Someone is forgetting about the scene up in the floating island when he rearranged the face of the earth. Or how about taking down 7 espers? Or when at the end of the game he shot his Light of Judgement in all directions because you were annoying him a bit?

In which part am I forgetting that? He may have rearranged it but the world was still intact. Seifer killed an Esper and he wasn't even a "god". And the party didn't "annoy him a little bit." They killed him, and in my case and most others, desposed of him with little effort at all. Some "god" lol.

[Goldenboko]

That being said, Kefka didn't destroy any world - he fried 1 town.

Wrong actually. He unleashed his light of judgement against every town simply for fun. This was also after he had originally rearranged the face of the world and made it so that no new plants could grow from the land, essentially ensuring that everything on the planet was condemned to a slow death. And prior to becoming a god he had already killed all the espers and poisoned an entire kingdom. As much as you may want to argue that others accomplished more, none of them accomplished more in game, caused as much suffering, or had the sort of lasting effect he did on their world.

That must have been a pretty weak light considering every town in the world was the same as before it, except for Mobliz, who didn't even have their entire village wiped out or their structures torn down, just with a few holes in them. Nor did he kill all the espers as the party still had theres and even more were still alive in the world.

Also, he didn't poison an entire Kingdom - only the castle. Which also illustrates how much of a little girl Kefka is. He did it with poison from a safe distance. There were probably more people in the Shinra building than in the entire world of FFVI, much less Doma Castle.

As far as making everyone lose hope for an extended period of time, Meteor did that. The Void did that. The Imperial dominance of Palamecia did that. And the emporer/x-death destroyed several towns, not just 1. Ultimecia destroyed the entire world in her time. Not rearrange the structure, not just some of the population in one town, she killed EVERYONE.

You're too worried about body counts. Kefka had the entire world fear him far more then Imperial dominance, X-Death, or Ulti did. In all of the other games there where lots of people willing to speak out and resist against the main villain. In FFVI everyone was so afraid of suddenly being blown to bits they didn't dare. Fear, its far worse then just killing someone.

Now continuing on... You're being a graphic whore. He did rearrange the face of the earth, consider the location of each city. The developers didn't go to crazy making everywhere appear rearrange and utterly destroyed because of the timeframe it was made, they could only push the system it was on so far. You seem to use graphics to support your arguments in place we are talking about storyline.

And if you want to talk about body count, think about this. When he moved the statues lots of people died. Remember the scene of the earth changing shape? People where falling into large cracks of the earth to their doom.

EDIT- As for staying behind and poisoning Doma. That proves two things.

1. You have some kind of sense that villains need to be macho, march into places, and kill everything in sight. Thats not a smart villain, that is a dumb one. A smart villain will kill just as much as a macho one without risking death.

2. Kefka was ruthless. He killed his own soldiers while poisoning Doma, I dare you to say that you could make an order like that.

[Lawr]

Ultimecia probably, since you actually fight her in the act of absorbing the Universe.
But maybe Yu-Yevon too, I mean 2000 years is quite a long time.