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Still, it makes it more intense. Again the whole throwing someone under the bus thing. You can't just sacrifice someone like that. If You were given wrong info, YOU are going to get targeted next. I'm not setting anyone up like that SORRY MIRIEL.
But as for my vote, I'ma say Faris. She is popping up here and there and seems to only be posting enough to cover herself from major suspicion. I'ma go for Faris.
The internet and real life games have to be seperate in their rules because over a longer time period people have more time to speculate and much more things to speculate on. Without being able to hear the tone in people's voices or even chatting to them on msn for people like me who are yet to befriend anyone to that level it can be next to impossible for someone to decide upon whether someone is mafia or not. We've already seen the effects someone pretending to be a cop can have on the whole trust issue, and DKs stroke of annoying genius has prevented anyone from trusting another cop who comes forward.Originally Posted by Miriel
It would be a lot more fun if the way you describe worked properly, but unfortunately things you type here can't go away like memories of spoken words can in the offline version. People can flick back and check what you've done or said with incredible ease and so people are having to be careful of both attracting mafia attention and also presenting themselves in such a manner that their own enigmatic teammates vote to have them killed.
I agree with hannah about the pms/out of thread talk about the game. In the live version of the game people can't secretly get together and plot unless it is night and you have a specific role. All talk that goes on during the day should be laid out for the whole town to see.
Remember guys that DK is/was mafia so don't believe a word he says about this game. Just because he is dead doesn't mean he won't try to continue to play his role, even though he probably shouldn't.
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I see your point, I do. It would suck if all discussion occured behind the scenes and this thread functioned as a voting thread with short posts such as "k, I'm gonna vote for this guy" and no discussion at all. I think the best would be a minimal amount of stuff occuring privately and then the majority of the discussion happening in this thread. That would be the most entertaining for everyone. But unfortunately, it's not the best tactic for the players. What do you think is easier for the cop? Trying to influence the voting in public where everyone can see it, including the mafia? or contacting a few people the cop has investigated and found to be "citizen"? The last option has the least risk involved. Least entertaining too probably, but then again, is he really a cop? DK's PM was posted here after his death, and it was a nice twist really, DK tried his best to survive a few rounds extra.
This game is usually much different in real life, since obviously there can't be any discussion without everybody hearing it, but this is the internet and it's hard to control that people don't interact privately, the best thing you could do as a moderator to avoid that would be encouraging everyone to not do it, and just hope they didn't.
We can't really compare the wiki on the other page with EoFF because of two things.
1. Their games always involve less than 10 players, we had 22. I'd probably not trust many if I were in a game with less than 10 people. I'd stick to myself.
2. They don't know eachother, they're all strangers to eachother. Most people in this game have friends also in this game, where some bonds are stronger than others. Some talking outside the thread is just bound to happen.
Of course, those talking outside the thread should still be very skeptical to eachother, you never know what's true or not, not much unlike the discussion in this thread.But still, if there's many people having a strong dislike against outside talk, then we'll have to do something about that in the next round of Mafia. I'll make a short survey when everything is finished here with a few questions about what they thought about the game, what could've been better etc. So definitely bring that up then if you feel that it sucks.
Gosh darnit, Levia.
There are examples in this thread where a couple people have made posts like, "I've spoken to someone I trust and he has indicated to me that so-and-so is Mafia."
That is completely different from someone not posting at all about the stuff that they're discussing behind the scene.
If someone brings those outside discussions INTO this thread, that's great. It brings people into the loop.
But what about all the stuff that happens and it doesn't even get mentioned here until after the fact? If no one ends up PMing you, then what? Sucks to be you? Too bad?
That's not cool.
Also, the point of the cops are to inform and lead the citizens. And yeah, they're supposed to be at risk, that's the nature of their role. But if they're too concerned with their own safety in this game that they're willing to leave a chunk of the citizens out of the loop... well, screw that. Again, not cool.
Why is it so bad to want the majority of the game to happen in the game thread? It makes sense to me.
Just so you know, even though I have no idea who is what at all - you guys at least know who yourselves are! - I still find this thing entertaining.
EDIT: I 100% agree with the tactic of the cop investigating people, finding out who is a citizen and then talking with them privately. I don't see why they can't also involve Miriel if she's that desperate to know what is being said.
Bow before the mighty Javoo!
BoB, sometimes you just don't make sense.
I already know who everyone is, I'm not desperate to know anything.
Also, Levia, I think you've done a fabulous job with this whole thing.to you!
I was just wondering why you personally were so against the talking behind doors. I don't think it makes this any less entertaining - maybe even more so, as it adds more mystery to the whole thing.
I still think the cop should have someone else state their findings though. It'd only take one lynching to find out if that spokesperson is legit or not, and if they are legit, then anyone who doesn't vote to lynch whoever they say to lynch is clearly a mafia too. If they weren't legit, then you know who to lynch!
But then I suppose there might be flaws with that plan too, such as the mafia pretending to be a cop etc. Of course, they'd soon be discovered. It's the only way I can think of that would give the citizens some good odds.
Private discussions were always going to happen though.
Bow before the mighty Javoo!
Look who's talking Mr. I just like to argue things!
Also, i really do believe it makes it more fun for everyone if findings, discussions, whatever that happens outside of the game are brought into the game so that everyone can participate.
In that case, I should note that a while back I asked DK if he was a mafia and he said no. He also said he wasn't a cop. Everyone should believe that because Dan wouldn't lie to me, he's my best friend.
It might be more fun but it might not be the best way for the citizens to win.
EDIT: I really do just like to argue things.
Bow before the mighty Javoo!
It is the best way for the citizen to win.
I completely agree with this. The majority of the game should definitely happen in the game thread. Again, only a minimal talking outside the thread should happen, if any talking at all.
Yeah, that does suck. That's the only bad part I see about outside talking, but that one thing is also very sucky. I don't really know what the best thing to do about that is really, well except disallowing outside talk completely. I kinda want to ask everyone if they prefer outside talking or no outside talking at the end of the game and let the majority decide. But being left out isn't always a bad thing, though. Much like the game thread, you can't completely trust what people say to you in a PM, it's all still a game. However, I'm not really troubled either way if we allow this or not, I'm not playing this game, so it should be up to you all to decide how you want to play.
And one last thing, if everything that was done outside the game was immediately brought into the game, it might ruin the purpose of why it was said outside the game in the first place, making it all pointless. That's probably why it's only revealed after it's not relevant anymore.
The next game will include additional roles, so talking in private may not be such a smart thing to do then anyway.
thank u, hunny<3Also, Levia, I think you've done a fabulous job with this whole thing.
I'd like to request to either table the discussion on how to play or move it to another thread or PMs, especially from dead people and those not playing. It's really distracting when you're trying to read through the "real" posts and play the game.
Last edited by Flying Mullet; 09-05-2007 at 12:15 PM.
Yes, we can discuss the game after it's finished.
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